[Signing] Stajan signs 4yrs $3.125Mil AAV contract extension (limited NTC) - Page 24 - Calgarypuck Forums - The Unofficial Calgary Flames Fan Community

wingmaker · 01-20-2014, 07:51 PM

Longer than I was hoping for. But, we have to remember, that this was a negotiation. Could very well have been the extra term that got the deal done.

Anyone saying that the Flames can just add vets in the off season is seriously in denial mode about the situation the Flames are in. Look at how hard it has been for Edmonton. Well, that's where we are now. The only way we could land a decent UFA is a huge overpayment, likely in dollar AND term. So in the end, I am ok with this. I like that even though the Flames are a bottom team, young players will still have to play their way into the lineup, not just get slotted in.

CalgaryFan1988 · 01-20-2014, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Frank MetaMusil

Sure, and the patience ideal works both ways. I don't hate Stajan either, but this move is not part of Burke's standard m.o.

I think a lot of the "calm" has to do with the fact that it's not Feaster though. A lot of people are going to want Burke gone by the time he's done, imo.

I agree, probably just a matter of time before he does something everyone hates (Backlund possibly).

The Stajan re-signing doesn't bother me as long as there is no NTC or NMC of any kind. The return for Stajan via trade shouldn't impact the Flames rebuild strategy in the least. He's worth more to the Flames than the 3rd/4th they would get in return IMO. I'd be more worried/mad if they re-signed Cammalleri.

really? · 01-20-2014, 07:57 PM

Haven't been wowed by his play, but he is not that kind of player. Matt Stajan is a professional, he wants to be a Flame, and he appears to be willing to perform in whatever role is asked of him. He is the kind of guy the Flames need to keep around.

Ultimately bodies are going to be moved. There is not room for all of Monahan, Backlund, Stajan, Knight, Granlund, Colbourne and hopefully Reinhart(Sam) at the center position. Players could switch position or be shipped out. Stajan is not a detriment in any capacity and it is not a burden to have depth. The only time a player becomes an albatross is when he is clearly carrying a detrimental contract and/or he doesn't compete. Stajan on these terms is not an albatross.

Shawnski · 01-20-2014, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Frank MetaMusil

I don't, that's why I'm wondering why Stajan's money can't be added to an offer on an upgrade.

Cap space is a commodity. Why throw it away?

Save it for when a team may be desparate enough to give you value for it.

And what would an "upgrade" do for us at this point? Certainly not help us reach the playoffs.

Frank MetaMusil · 01-20-2014, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Shawnski

Cap space is a commodity. Why throw it away?

Save it for when a team may be desparate enough to give you value for it.

And what would an "upgrade" do for us at this point? Certainly not help us reach the playoffs.

An upgrade or "tryout" means signing someone who could potentially have chemistry with the rebuilding team more than Stajan does. It's a matter of another 2 million to gamble on it, vs. re-upping Stajan (again, who you know what you have)

Honest question, when is the last time the Flames took advantage of a cash strapped team who is up against the salary cap?

DOOM · 01-20-2014, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Frank MetaMusil

An upgrade or "tryout" means signing someone who could potentially have chemistry with the rebuilding team more than Stajan does. It's a matter of another 2 million to gamble on it, vs. re-upping Stajan (again, who you know what you have)

Honest question, when is the last time the Flames took advantage of a cash strapped team who is up against the salary cap?

Really? Its year one of the rebuild...

Smid with the Oilers.

Frank MetaMusil · 01-20-2014, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by DOOM

Smid with the Oilers.

Sorry, I should have clarified. Winning teams.

That's a Feaster move anyway.

strombad · 01-20-2014, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Frank MetaMusil

An upgrade or "tryout" means signing someone who could potentially have chemistry with the rebuilding team more than Stajan does. It's a matter of another 2 million to gamble on it, vs. re-upping Stajan (again, who you know what you have)

Honest question, when is the last time the Flames took advantage of a cash strapped team who is up against the salary cap?

From what I can tell, you're saying that paying a guy 3-4 million who MIGHT fit in with the team and have some chemistry with the guys is better than paying a guy 3.125 who DOES fit in with the team and have chemistry with the guys.

That doesn't make a lick of sense.

DOOM · 01-20-2014, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Frank MetaMusil

Sorry, I should have clarified. Winning teams.

That's a Feaster move anyway.

You're working on such a small sample size man, this is the first year the Flames have had space.

Burke was definitely involved in the Smid deal, just like the Colborne deal, don't kid yourself.

Frank MetaMusil · 01-20-2014, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by strombad

From what I can tell, you're saying that paying a guy 3-4 million who MIGHT fit in with the team and have some chemistry with the guys is better than paying a guy 3.125 who DOES fit in with the team and have chemistry with the guys.

That doesn't make a lick of sense.

Go for a guy with 5+ at 2 years. That's what I'm saying.

DOOM · 01-20-2014, 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Frank MetaMusil

Go for a guy with 5+ at 2 years. That's what I'm saying.

Why? So the Flames can finish 27th instead of 30th?

Frank MetaMusil · 01-20-2014, 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by DOOM

You're working on such a small sample size man, this is the first year the Flames have had space.

Burke was definitely involved in the Smid deal, just like the Colborne deal, don't kid yourself.

I'm not kidding. I'm glad they got Smid. The Flames can't keep hoping the Oilers are game to trade guys though, look where the team will end up.

Shawnski · 01-20-2014, 08:17 PM

Come on Frank. Who cares if it was a "winning team". That has ZERO added benefit.

This is purely asset management.

This team is going to build through the draft mainly, which will take time. Other than filling an immediate need, UFA signings will likely be in the latter stages of the rebuild, not the initial ones.

Frank MetaMusil · 01-20-2014, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by DOOM

Why? So the Flames can finish 27th instead of 30th?

Because he might fit better than Stajan is. Don't you eventually want to climb the standings? You have to if you want to win the cup.

strombad · 01-20-2014, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Frank MetaMusil

Go for a guy with 5+ at 2 years. That's what I'm saying.

Which guy? Who wants to come here? Who is legitimately worth over 5 that would:
A) Want to come to a rebuilding team in a Canadian market (higher scrutiny)
or
B) Be a substantial upgrade over Stajan?

It's easy to say "Oh pay a different guy 5 million!" but in that scenario we're likely getting someone who isn't much better than Stajan.

Like it or not, he's worth that price tag. That's the market. It's not like this is negative value. If people thought he was tradable at 3.5, he's certainly tradable at 3.1 in 2 years.

Frank MetaMusil · 01-20-2014, 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Shawnski

Come on Frank. Who cares if it was a "winning team". That has ZERO added benefit.

This is purely asset management.

This team is going to build through the draft mainly, which will take time. Other than filling an immediate need, UFA signings will likely be in the latter stages of the rebuild, not the initial ones.

Well, I'm not going to go completely polar on you guys, but Hudler was a UFA.

Crumpy-Gunt · 01-20-2014, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Frank MetaMusil

I don't, that's why I'm wondering why Stajan's money can't be added to an offer on an upgrade.

So who would we target with Stajan + added money.

What line would they realistically expect to play on for the Flames?

What are they like in the locker room?

Would they be willing to come here for a rebuild?

How would this player affect the "young guys" ice time or projected ice time?

I like this contract and Matt Stajan has grown on me in the last couple of seasons (not so much this season but im sure he will be OK) and I like what he brings to the table and the fact he knows he is a 3rd line C when things are going well. Heck he'd play on the 4th line here. Not many guys with his ability, experience and leadership willing to do that.

Frank MetaMusil · 01-20-2014, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by strombad

Which guy? Who wants to come here? Who is legitimately worth over 5 that would:
A) Want to come to a rebuilding team in a Canadian market (higher scrutiny)
or
B) Be a substantial upgrade over Stajan?

It's easy to say "Oh pay a different guy 5 million!" but in that scenario we're likely getting someone who isn't much better than Stajan.

Like it or not, he's worth that price tag. That's the market. It's not like this is negative value. If people thought he was tradable at 3.5, he's certainly tradable at 3.1 in 2 years.

I've listed close to a dozen guys who the Flames could potentially add if they "overpay"

DOOM · 01-20-2014, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Frank MetaMusil

Because he might fit better than Stajan is. Don't you eventually want to climb the standings? You have to if you want to win the cup.

I do want to climb the standings and will always cheer for the Flames to win. I just think there is such a small chance the next two years that the Flames will have a chance at the playoffs (no matter who they sign) that there is no point in signing guys that like Stastny/Roy to two year deals.

kyuss275 · 01-20-2014, 08:20 PM

I was in another room, but i thought i heard one of the talking heads on TV say that Burke is trying to re-sign Cammi?