[News] With the #22 overall pick the Flames select LW/RW Emile Poirier

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by macrov

Hunter skating with the hitmen. Again, the flames knew better than anyone who he was.

Yeah, for a team that's looking to get bigger and tougher, not the best choice. On the plus side: he'll never take a penalty for high-sticking.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by macrov

Hunter skating with the hitmen. Again, the flames knew better than anyone who he was.

Edit: Those are super nice skates for a kid, eh?

Skating off by himself too. Selfish.

Seriously though, I don't put much stock into second hand accounts of how big a jerk Shinkaruk may or may not be as a person. But he didn't fall from top ten to late first round without reason. And I think that reason has a lot to do with flaws in his game that many teams identified and dislike.

[dammage79]

Not sure if it was posted yet but Shinkaruk was a major Modano fan and wanted only to go to Dallas. So if anything. He wasn't going to be happy regardless of who took him after Dallas took Nichushkin. So if it's anyones fault it's the big Russian for being Russian!

After listening to his interview on the fan and sounding like a spoiled brat I am happy they passed on him.

For reference I think he talks about wanting to go to Dallas in the Fan960 interview.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

Skating off by himself too. Selfish.

Seriously though, I don't put much stock into second hand accounts of how big a jerk Shinkaruk may or may not be as a person. But he didn't fall from top ten to late first round without reason. And I think that reason has a lot to do with flaws in his game that many teams identified and dislike.

Purely a guess from his stat line, but I suspect a lot of those teams are concerned because his development appears to have plateaued. There is some risk that the Shinkaruk you see at age 17 is the best Shinkaruk you'll ever get.

[toquester]

Good, the kid will have something to prove.

[macrov]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Purely a guess from his stat line, but I suspect a lot of those teams are concerned because his development appears to have plateaued. There is some risk that the Shinkaruk you see at age 17 is the best Shinkaruk you'll ever get.

He had much worse line-mates this year.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by foshizzle11

ya, I think this is garbage. What happened to take the best player available, no matter the team. Why does this mentality change at the later picks?

Why can't anyone believe that they might be right. So far Emile sounds pretty good to me.

Best player by who's definition though?

Just because he was rated higher on many scouting lists doesn't mean he was the best player and certainly doesn't mean he was rated the best player available by any one particular team (the Flames in this case, but also the other dozen or so teams that passed on him)

Fans talk like BPA is a clear-cut fact: this player is #1, this player is #2...

It simply isn't that black and white.

The Flames took the guy that they thought was the BPA - and they got heavily criticised for it

[Inglewood Jack]

Originally Posted by flames_fan_down_under

Puck Daddy's blog has it's winners and losers of the draft, of course the Flames are "losers" for passing on Shinkaruk and drafting Poirier.

That's what you get for clicking on something with Ryan Lambert's name on it. His personal mission on both puck daddy and flames nation is to skewer Calgary at every possible opportunity, warranted or not.

The rest of the puck daddy contributors range wildly from decent to craptastic depending on the topic, but Lambert drivel should be avoided at all costs.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by macrov

He had much worse line-mates this year.

Yet his assist production went up; it was his goals that went down. Still not a good sign for a 17-year-old.

[Enoch Root]

Monahan's line-mate quality went down as well - he still progressed

[HighLifeMan]

Originally Posted by macrov

He had much worse line-mates this year.

Yet somehow his undrafted, and undersized teammate managed to lead the team in points and basically matched Shinkaruk step for step all season. That is not an overly positive sign for a third year CHL player with the skill level and pedigree that Shinkaruk possesses.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Monahan's line-mate quality went down as well - he still progressed

Then there's Roy, whose quality of teammates went down — and he didn't seem to progress — and dropped all the way to the 5th round.

[macrov]

From HockeysFutures Post:

Shinkaruk fell because teams think he's unwilling to work on his game. In interviews, when asked what he needed to work on, the teams didnt like the answer he gave. Also, he did not react to criticism well in the interviews. Teams often say to players things like: "one of our scouts called you a perimeter player, what's your response to that?"

That is why Schremp never made a dent in the nhl, because he was unwilling to work on the areas of the game that he needed to. The criticism of Shinkaruk (not saying if its right) is the same

[macrov]

From HockeysFutures Post:

Shinkaruk fell because teams think he's unwilling to work on his game. In interviews, when asked what he needed to work on, the teams didnt like the answer he gave. Also, he did not react to criticism well in the interviews. Teams often say to players things like: "one of our scouts called you a perimeter player, what's your response to that?"

That is why Schremp never made a dent in the nhl, because he was unwilling to work on the areas of the game that he needed to. The criticism of Shinkaruk (not saying if its right) is the same

[DropIt]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Not sure if it was posted yet but Shinkaruk was a major Modano fan and wanted only to go to Dallas. So if anything. He wasn't going to be happy regardless of who took him after Dallas took Nichushkin. So if it's anyones fault it's the big Russian for being Russian!

After listening to his interview on the fan and sounding like a spoiled brat I am happy they passed on him.

For reference I think he talks about wanting to go to Dallas in the Fan960 interview.

This is all time word twisting if I've ever seen it. He talks about being a Dallas fan because he wore #9 when he was young. If you interpreted that as whining because he didnt get drafted by Dallas, you need to have another listen.

His interview came off just like Seth Jones' on the draft floor. He wanted to go high, happy he got drafted and now wants to prove everyone who passed on him wrong.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by DropIt

This is all time word twisting if I've ever seen it. He talks about being a Dallas fan because he wore #9 when he was young.

Yeah . . . and because he wrote a story about being drafted by Dallas when he was a little kid. Crazy to make anything out of that.

[$ven27]

Yeah, this isn't a Tom Erixon scenario. Just a Modano/Dallas fan as a kid, don't see the big deal.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by DropIt

He talks about being a Dallas fan because he wore #9 when he was young.

It all makes sense now. He didn't want Calgary to draft him because he couldn't wear #9 here.

It's all Lanny's fault!

[RyZ]

Originally Posted by macrov

He had much worse line-mates this year.

He was also older and more experienced vs WHL competition. Dont get me wrong, I still wish we took him at 22, but there are warning flags all over him right now. Hes boom or bust for sure.

[DropIt]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Yeah . . . and because he wrote a story about being drafted by Dallas when he was a little kid. Crazy to make anything out of that.

Yes, it absolutely is, because it was when he was 6!

This is one of those nothing stories that IF he would have been drafted by Dallas someone would have turned it into something, since he wasn't its hardly a footnote. I cant believe people are trying to use his grade 1 drawing to incriminate him about being a bad person.