Calgary offers picks 6, 22, 28 for the first overall: no dice

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by FlameZilla

I think he's done it because he knows it will get reported in the press, and this way he can point to it and say he's done his 'due diligence' to try to improve the franchise.

Emphasis on 'try.'

I'll give Feaster the bennifit of the doubt and say the leak did not come from the flames end. The Av's have more reason to leak it. They are basically telling the other GM's, "we were offered 3 1sts and it was not enough, now try and beat it".

[killer_carlson]

Originally Posted by Stay Golden

The Flames probably leaked this 3 for 1 deal out intentionally to let the fan base know they are looking at all avenues with regards to the draft. Fully knowing that the top 3,4 picks are not willing to move those picks for any rational deal.

I would imagine the same deal was offered to FLA and TB as well.
One thing that is certain the Flames over the last 10 years or so only leak to the media what they want to intentionally.

Unless the leak came from colorado's end of things...

[Stay Golden]

Originally Posted by killer_carlson

Unless the leak came from colorado's end of things...

that is possible but this smells of Flames brass doing this for pr reasons "see we are working hard to have the next Flames star" They know that even though it was time to for Iggy to be moved that this team now has Zero star attraction for next season.
Who exactly is the draw for the Flames, no one as far as i can tell. Edwards and King realize that, but i think Feaster and company have let it be known to them that no team is going to move out of the top 4 but tried anyways.
Feaster knew COL wouldn't accept this deal it kind of lets us all know who special McKinnon, Jones, Drouin and Barkov are.
Most past drafts 3 firsts for the 1st-3rd and that team moving back only to 6th overall would have been accepted.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Highly doubtful the same deal was offered to TB. MacKinnon wouldn't be there at 3.

TB would also be foolish not to accept the deal to move down all of 3 spots.

I don't think Drouin is worth that randsom given he's not a center but I duess that would guarantee Barkov but I don't know if he's that much better than Monahan/Lindholm + the players they would get with the other first rounders.

[Oil Stain]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Highly doubtful the same deal was offered to TB. MacKinnon wouldn't be there at 3.

TB would also be foolish not to accept the deal to move down all of 3 spots.

Top 3 picks get you stars.

Top 6 usually gets you Raffi Torres, or Daymond Langkow. 22nd, and 28th, well, its likely one of those will bust and the other could be almost anything from fringe NHLer to star player, but much more likely to be a role player of some sort.

If I am an NHL GM with a high pick I take quality over quantity every time.

[Phanuthier]

Too long of a thread to read, not sure if mentioned... but imagine if we had lost that stupid Detriot game Jimmy Howard blew, we got the 1st overall pick, and someone offered us this package?

Get FIVE 1st round picks in this deep draft? That would be awesome.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Phanuthier

Too long of a thread to read, not sure if mentioned... but imagine if we had lost that stupid Detriot game Jimmy Howard blew, we got the 1st overall pick, and someone offered us this package?

Get FIVE 1st round picks in this deep draft? That would be awesome.

I'd take Mackinnon and have the two other picks still.

Best of both worlds, get the franchise talent and still get to take advantage of the deep draft.

[Regorium]

It's funny that if we didn't go on a stupid winning streak at the end of the season, this would not be a concern.

To me, there's 5 franchise players available - Mackinnon, Druoin, Jones, Barkov and Nichushkin.

If we could get any one of those players, I don't mind what we draft for 22/28.

But because we won a couple games at the end of the year (and had people on CP praising their play), now we have to do all these convoluted things to move up.

Such is life.

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

I'd take Mackinnon and have the two other picks still.

Best of both worlds, get the franchise talent and still get to take advantage of the deep draft.

True, also a great option. But five 1st round picks? +Sven, JohnnyG, Brodie, Hantowski... rebuild done. Wake me up in 3 years.

[Ped]

From Friedman's latest column:

The Calgary Flames and Colorado Avalanche refuse to confirm it, but the source is excellent: Flames general manager Jay Feaster recently made a bold move, offering his three first-round draft picks (sixth, 22nd, 28th) to Colorado for the No. 1 overall selection. The Avalanche said no. And the rebuff came fast.
This is consistent with what Patrick Roy has said, that if his team is going to move out of the Top 3, it will take a magnificent offer. Calgary's fell short because it did not include anyone ready to play in the NHL right now. And we're not talking about just anybody. We're talking a significant force.
The other question (and I doubt I'm going to get an answer at this time): did Calgary make a similar offer to anyone else?
Colorado, Florida, Tampa Bay and Nashville have the first four picks. The players available in those spots are highly regarded. Roy, Colorado's new head coach and vice-president of hockey operations, is on record as saying he is not going below No. 3. Teams believe the Panthers are not going below No. 4, if they are going anywhere at all. The Lightning and Predators are similarly stubborn.

http://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/opin...nhl-draft.html

[schmaaadm]

• Originally Posted by Regorium

  It's funny that if we didn't go on a stupid winning streak at the end of the season, this would not be a concern.

Originally Posted by Regorium

To me, there's 5 franchise players available - Mackinnon, Druoin, Jones, Barkov and Nichushkin.

If we could get any one of those players, I don't mind what we draft for 22/28.

But because we won a couple games at the end of the year (and had people on CP praising their play), now we have to do all these convoluted things to move up.

Such is life.

I could be the only one who feels this way, but I'm glad our rookies played with heart and still won some games after all was lost. I'm a competitive guy and could never purposefully lose a game, or cheer for a team who 'loses to be #1'. All the kids could've mailed it in like Tanguay, and become accustomed to losing/not trying. I thought we were trying to get rid of that mentality.
While it would have been nice to be picking a few spots higher in the draft, I think it should be more embarrassing for every team beneath the Flames in the standings and especially the Coilers, who after having their pick of the best talent coming to the NHL the last 5 friggen years!

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by schmaaadm

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I could be the only one who feels this way, but I'm glad our rookies played with heart and still won some games after all was lost. I'm a competitive guy and could never purposefully lose a game, or cheer for a team who 'loses to be #1'. All the kids could've mailed it in like Tanguay, and become accustomed to losing/not trying. I thought we were trying to get rid of that mentality.
While it would have been nice to be picking a few spots higher in the draft, I think it should be more embarrassing for every team beneath the Flames in the standings and especially the Coilers, who after having their pick of the best talent coming to the NHL the last 5 friggen years!

Don't get me wrong, I never want players to mail it in. I don't think anybody wanted that.

I think most/all people were hoping for our rookies to play great and build up confidence, compete hard and the other team play up to their abilities and not fall flat on their face (i.e. Jimmy Howard) and thus... lose.

[Tinordi]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Highly doubtful the same deal was offered to TB. MacKinnon wouldn't be there at 3.

TB would also be foolish not to accept the deal to move down all of 3 spots.

Sigh. People are consistently showing that they don't understand the dynamics of moving up or down in a draft.

THe number of 'spots' you move down is irrelevant without the context. The context is what type of player are you giving up and what are you going to get back. Tampa would be foolish to move down three spots if three spots is the difference between a Drouin and a Lindholm. Depending on what their scouts say, Drouin is projected to an elite top line winger and Lindholm is projected to be a second line center. In that sense moving down three spots is huge.

So yes that would be foolish if that's what their scouts think. You need to think of it in terms of the players that will be available to you in your new draft position should you trade down.

[schmaaadm]

Originally Posted by Phanuthier

Don't get me wrong, I never want players to mail it in. I don't think anybody wanted that.

I think most/all people were hoping for our rookies to play great and build up confidence, compete hard and the other team play up to their abilities and not fall flat on their face (i.e. Jimmy Howard) and thus... lose.

I see where you're coming from for sure. Just getting sick of seeing 'wish we would have lost more to pick higher' comments. -Not saying that's what you said. I'm just trying to bring some positives to our situation.

[Calgary4LIfe]

If Barkov is still on the board when the Preds are picking, would Calgary make the same offer? It isn't just moving up 2 spots - it is the difference between Barkov and Monahan. Without a doubt, I value Barkov higher - but how much higher?

[Regorium]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

If Barkov is still on the board when the Preds are picking, would Calgary make the same offer? It isn't just moving up 2 spots - it is the difference between Barkov and Monahan. Without a doubt, I value Barkov higher - but how much higher?

I personally don't think the Preds would do it. There's quite a gap between Barkov and Mohanan/Lindholm.

[troutman]

Originally Posted by Oil Stain

If I am an NHL GM with a high pick I take quality over quantity every time.

That hasn't worked so well for the Oilers so far. No guarantee the top 3 picks will pan out to be all-star players.

I'd rather have more rolls of the dice.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Regorium

I personally don't think the Preds would do it. There's quite a gap between Barkov and Mohanan/Lindholm.

How do you know this exactly?

[The Yen Man]

Originally Posted by schmaaadm

I see where you're coming from for sure. Just getting sick of seeing 'wish we would have lost more to pick higher' comments. -Not saying that's what you said. I'm just trying to bring some positives to our situation.

I don't think you can fault either side for thinking their way. The side that wants the Flames to win want to cheer for every Flames win and seeing rookies to do well, regardless of draft outcome. On the flipside, the people who wanted the Flames to lose still wanted our rookies to play well, they just thought more long term, and you can't argue that losing would have been better for the Flames in terms of getting a higher pick.

What I find kind of annoying is when the vocal few from one side start berrating the other side for not thinking like them. We're all Flames fans, and we choose to cheer on the Flames our way. Just because we wanted the Flames to lose as much as possible during the last month of the season doesn't make us somehow less of a Flames fan.

[Regorium]

Originally Posted by New Era

How do you know this exactly?

I don't. You don't know what will happen either. It's my opinion (and clearly stated as such) based on watching their highlight reels and various blogs/forums.

It's also my opinion that the top 5 is pretty much set in stone because they are a class above everyone else (Druoin, Mackinnon, Jones, Nichushkin and Barkov).

I don't think any of the teams in the top 5 would trade out of the top 5 unless it was a seriously crazy offer, much more than just the 3 first round picks.