The Official Fire Feaster Thread

[rotten42]

If you don't like where this team is today blame it on ownership/management. Feaster has been a puppet to this point and now told to get great returns on players that should have been dealt two years ago. The Flames management operated out of a place of fear for too long and now they are paying for it.

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Originally Posted by The Voice of Reason

Feaster isn't going to last 48 hours after the season is over. He'll be replaced by a Gm who wants to rebuild the team. That being said, regardless of who burns it all to the ground it's going to take years and years for the team to put a respectable product on the ice. It'll also take just as long to attract free agents again.

I could see Wisebrod taking the reigns. Especially since Feaster has basically said he doesn't want to be a rebuild GM.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by JayP

This isn't intellectual honesty though - this is getting beat over the head with reality. Feaster not being completely delusional isn't something to get excited about. He's had 3 separate opportunities as GM to realize this team wasn't good enough (10/11 trade deadline, 11/12 trade deadline, and this past off-season). Just because he figures it out when the team is predictably in the cellar isn't anything to be commended.

I disagree.

Jay may not have said it directly to those goofs in the Eastern Media, but the Flames have been quietly rebuilding now for years. Regehr for two guys over 22 years old. Signing a 29 year old Hudler. He even gave Baertschi and Horak permanent spots on the roster. This is what a rebuild looks like folks, and it appears as though Jay has the autonomy to get it started.

I'm glad the Flames are getting out of 'cap jail' and looking towards the future, getting bigger and brighter.

Both of the best goalies not in the NHL, and neither is over 27 years old? Home run. If these guys turn out half as good as Cervenka, we've got it made in the shade. Heck, if Bob Hartley thinks this guy in the Swiss league is already so good, I am sold. The rubber stamp of one of the premier coaches in the league is good enough for me.

I predict with some savvy GMing that Feaster has the Flames challenging for a playoff spot next year and the Division the year after that.

GO FLAMES GO and to all you losers cheering for losses or a higher draft pick, you can all suck on a lemon!

[Gunkle]

People always seem to forget that it is the buyer, not the seller, that ultimately sets the price.
Don't hate on Feaster if the market is soft on JBo, or anyone else.
Also, I think that a lot of people's 'hate' is actually the strictures that ownership has placed on Feaster.

[mustache ride]

Originally Posted by rotten42

If you don't like where this team is today blame it on ownership/management. Feaster has been a puppet to this point and now told to get great returns on players that should have been dealt two years ago. The Flames management operated out of a place of fear for too long and now they are paying for it.

That is garbage! Feaster is not a victim. He sold the owners that this team was good enough in order to get this job. Now he is being exposed as either ignorant or a liar.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by mustache ride

That is garbage! Feaster is not a victim. He sold the owners that this team was good enough in order to get this job. Now he is being exposed as either ignorant or a liar.

I strongly doubt he sold the owners on anything

[DFO]

So last year in an interview Feaster said he had no interest in a rebuild and that if the Flames took that approach they could find a new man for the job. It's looking a little scorched around here so I wonder what the deal is? Will he stand by those convictions or was it hot air now coupled with memory loss? He seemed pleased as punch last night with these new picks and cap space.

[iggy4life]

Originally Posted by DFO

So last year in an interview Feaster said he had no interest in a rebuild and that if the Flames took that approach they could find a new man for the job. It's looking a little scorched around here so I wonder what the deal is? Will he stand by those convictions or was it hot air now coupled with memory loss? He seemed pleased as punch last night with these new picks and cap space.

not only does feaster lie to the fan base but doesn't anyone remember king being all smug and saying that if darryl sutter was ever fired he would quit? king is as much if not more to blame than feaster. i say fire them both murray.

[Fire in the disco]

Put me in the Fire Feaster-hire Burke camp

[nik-]

So, a little more out of left field.

What about trying to pry Hakan Loob out of Farjestad to try to fix his alma mater as President or GM? He's run Farjestad for 15 years and they've won 6 championships and the lowest they've finished is middle of the pack.

He's been gone from the NHL for a long time, but he knows hockey and would likely be a great talent evaluator.

[browna]

As mentioned, a strong personality is going to be needed IMO to get Edwards and the owners to give up any control.

I still hope that Feaster was kept around as a mere facilitator for the sell off (and all his words today are what you'd expect anyone to say in his shoes), and by the time the decisions going forward are made in a month or so, there is someone in there that will take the overall reigns.

The fact that it took him 5 weeks to talk after the ROR thing leads me still to believe he's not on firm ground from those above him

No matter if he is fully to blame or not (he's not, he's had plenty of help) he saw how things were running like this even as AGM, and knew what he signed up for when he pitched his plan that offseason to stay on full time. He's not got the same reputation as the franchise, and it will be hard to shake that anytime soon. Same with the godfather of his son (or vice versa) behind the bench...like it or not, these guys are now associated with the final running of the franchise into the ground....they're not the only part of the problem, but they're not ones that helped things get better, nor are they part of the solution.

The time for change is upon us, the franchise player, the best goalie this team has had gone. May as well start fresh, and get a guy in who can build the respectability of the franchise up as GM/President/Hockey Ops whatever, and the coach he brings along, as soon as possible around the league and within the PA...before things get too far out of control. Only way that happens is to hire a personality that will take on the challenge, and tell King and Edwards where to go if they start (don't call it) meddling.

[Dion]

Kelly Kisio?

[Yoho]

Originally Posted by Gunkle

People always seem to forget that it is the buyer, not the seller, that ultimately sets the price.
Don't hate on Feaster if the market is soft on JBo, or anyone else.
Also, I think that a lot of people's 'hate' is actually the strictures that ownership has placed on Feaster.

Pominville trade sure didn't seem that "soft" of a return for the GM in Buffalo

"The Sabres traded their captain and a fourth-round draft pick in 2014 to the Wild before the NHL deadline on Wednesday for prospects Johan Larsson and Matt Hackett plus a first-round draft pick in 2013 and a second-round draft pick in 2014"

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sport...ticle10734336/

[flamesfan777]

He could be the best President/GM outside of the NHL

Originally Posted by nik-

So, a little more out of left field.

What about trying to pry Hakan Loob out of Farjestad to try to fix his alma mater as President or GM? He's run Farjestad for 15 years and they've won 6 championships and the lowest they've finished is middle of the pack.

He's been gone from the NHL for a long time, but he knows hockey and would likely be a great talent evaluator.

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by flamesfan777

He could be the best President/GM outside of the NHL

How old is he? Could be post-apex; would not fit mold of this team.

[Buck Murdock]

Feaster seems great at screwing things up and pissing people off. He was an assistant that got the job when his boss got fired. We need a fresh start, with a GM with some credibility. Brian Burke should get the call.

[Textcritic]

I posted this in another thread, but it can probably be reposted here, as it is germane to the topic. I have been a supporter of Feaster's in his time here, and with the horrible returns on the season and some of what has transpired in the past couple of months, I find myself a little more guarded in my endorsement:

Originally Posted by Textcritic

So, this is a bottom-place team. New territory. Clearly a long time in coming. Not an enjoyable place to be.

However, today's situation shows the way forward. The rebuild is indeed on, and it will remain to be seen how it transpires. Is Feaster the right man for this job? It seems likely not, given his history, but by the same token, I think this is new territory for him as well. I take some solace in the fact that the early returns of both of Feaster's drafts have been very positive. If this team is committed to building through the draft and through their acquisition of prospects and pre-apex players, I think that we should agree that Feaster and his staff have so far done well in their attempts to begin laying the foundation for a new base. People have expressed concern about Feaster's "plan", and while we should not expect any sort of disclosure, I think there is some evidence as to what that plan is. Most specifically, this team is targeting players who exhibit a high "hockey IQ": in my estimation, this is a good thing.

Perhaps I am guilty of being excessively patient, but I think it is too early to determine Feaster's long-term fate.

I'm not convinced that Feaster should be fired, but if he is, and the team does decide to entrust the rebuild to another, I am also fine with that. Following the entry draft and free agency, I expect to be more firmly committed one way or the other, but at this very early point in the new direction that the team has clearly taken, it is still far too early to make many certain claims about how good or how poor Feaster is suited to the present task.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

I posted this in another thread, but it can probably be reposted here, as it is germane to the topic. I have been a supporter of Feaster's in his time here, and with the horrible returns on the season and some of what has transpired in the past couple of months, I find myself a little more guarded in my endorsement

Since we are quoting ourselves ...

A few things here. Firstly, if the mandate is to make the playoffs, why would you keep JBo? He has never, ever, ever made the playoffs. Or proved to be a difference maker, or game breaker. And north of 6M, he should. There are few roster spots available for difference maker dollars. Getting a first and not taking back salary is admirable.

Sadly the majority of people are dazzled by what Bouw does and don't apparently notice what he doesn't do. Preventing GA. Consistently top 1-5 in the league in GA.

Management granted Iginla his wish. He recognized that playoffs this year were not happening and he wants to win. They never got him a center. Still fumbling here, so he is ok to go to Pitt.

So they have 7 M in cap hit that goes away and they get a first rounder.

Then they have Bouw. He too really wants to make the playoffs (but can't see the obvious chicken/egg situation in which he plays the leading role). He won't re-sign here, wants to hitch his cart to a contender. Of which he has never been a part. So if he sees Iggy gone, he won't re-sign. He does not bring the confidence, he piggybacks off of his leadership at best. Which is why 6.68 is a bad contract.

Fast forward. Next year is very, very unique with the new CBA. The cap goes down. By several million. (!)

Management makes a strategic decision. Moving from cap jail to a situation where there are millions (almost 10s of millions!) to spare, within the space of a year!

So they have 3 draft picks in the first round. Which could be taken as they sit. or used as assets... Not only that... Could re-sign Iggy if it made sense. But can also put together an analysis of cap situation of every team. This means identifying teams exposed by 800 K ELCS guys that can't afford the 2-3 M second contract and exploiting that situation.

This is a very unusual off season and given that they are out of the playoffs, Bouw's albatross contract, particulars of why he is overpaid aside, is worth way more in terms of optionality this unique cap-dropping year than his on ice play shows value.

This game against the Oil stunk. McDonald showed why he is a backup named after a fast food franchise and comparing to the last game, you could draw the conclusion that the Flames really miss Comeau's 2 way game. You can look at this any number of ways.

But at this point every little move has to be looked at in terms of the big picture. Dumping Bouw and getting a first while not taking back salary is almost a double win.

Kudos Feaster, don't mind the emotional bitching. Rock solid.

[thymebalm]

Instead of Comeau, Iginla and Bouwmeesteer being traded, it should have been King, Feaster and Hartley getting canned. Hartley proved to have no ability coaching defence at the NHL level, Feaster has made many questionable moves that show he doesn't really get how to build a team. Modin, Begin, Sarich and McGrattan are all perfect examples of that.

He's a dice roller. He's shoots for ROR even though it could have wound up costing a king's ransom and even the player himself. He goes for Brad Richards and holds a press conference on his near catch. He drafts out of the most obscure highschool in the first round... he's throwing haymakers, but he has no technique, no master plan.

King is the one who has allowed the Feaster regime to get comfortable in their all-talk-no-walk management style... It's funny. I used to dread the thought of someone like Brian Burke as GM. I thought he'd be too much in the media and not enough in the game. But that's Jay Feaster.

It's pretty disappointing. Feaster's nepotism costs us every time. Ramo, that seed hasn't borne any fruit. We really could have used him this season and he opted to stay in Russia, as he may very well continue to do. Modin (already mentioned) and Hartley. Their just demons from his past. He's not thinking about the game objectively at all.

I think a better GM would have got Iggy to sign off on four teams, and let them bid until the deadline. If the Bruins think they have it, then they don't, and you don't give them a chance to up their bid, you don't know how to start a bidding war. In the end Feaster says it was Iggy's decision, but generally that's not how it works when a NMC is waived. None of it makes sense.

Calgary is a hockey savvy city. It deserves a hockey savvy management team. King/Feaster are salesmen, I'm tired of being sold this crap.

[gargamel]

I've really liked Feaster's drafts and I've had no major problems with his trades or free agent signings, and those are the things that he has to be judged on. I agree with others that the direction of the team has been frustrating, especially the half-assed approach to this past offseason where we neither committed to rebuilding nor gave the team a chance to win by getting some centers, but it's impossible for us to know who was dictating that direction. Whoever it was, it seems that Feaster and ownership are in agreement now that we need to rebuild, so I'm fine with giving Feaster a chance to do what needs to be done.