I especially like how both Comeau and Jones are both hard working 4th line players who have no offensive instincts, and yet Jones being put on waivers is a travesty while people are calling out Comeau for being terrible.
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It's not so much that Jackman being on the roster is a problem. It's the timing and length of deal that actually has you questioning the though process. Jackman doesn't need to be locked up days before the trade deadline, and he doesn't need to be locked up for 2 years. You can re-sign the Jackmans of the world a day before UFA free agency and you don't need to lock him up for more than a year. He's an interchangeable asset that can be found in numerous spots for league minimum.
And given the biggest issue with this management team has failed to accomplish is actually more reflected in what they haven't done to date (lack of impact moves addressing the teams key need or any change of results) its fair to look at some of the tweaks they are making and wonder what the hells going on. I agree its probably fair to suggest it might take time for the entire plan to reveal itself, but for now it looks like mindless tinkering with no real end goal half the time.
Yes trash the team before the trade deadline and promise big changes then proceed to stand pat and re sign a plug is not going to win hearts and minds.
Jones should be gone, whether it be to the farm or to another team. It's like dumping a girl then proceeding to ask her out on a date. In this case, lateral move is ok. They are not getting it done with him, turn the page (same goes for Irving).
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I think people are missing the point here. We don't care that Jones was only a 4th liner. It's the fact that every game he played his heart out, and every other person in the lineup- in the LEAGUE, for that matter, can learn a thing from him. The game of hockey is about EFFORT, and that's something the Flames lack. He was the only person who, game to game, played a great game. Now he's gone. And that's what I'm pissed about,
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I think people are missing the point here. We don't care that Jones was only a 4th liner. It's the fact that every game he played his heart out, and every other person in the lineup- in the LEAGUE, for that matter, can learn a thing from him. The game of hockey is about EFFORT, and that's something the Flames lack. He was the only person who, game to game, played a great game. Now he's gone. And that's what I'm pissed about,
I was thinking the same thing. It seems cruel to punish him for not playing in a way that he is not capable of playing.
Its like hitting a dog for not understanding instructions.
I think people are missing the point here. We don't care that Jones was only a 4th liner. It's the fact that every game he played his heart out, and every other person in the lineup- in the LEAGUE, for that matter, can learn a thing from him. The game of hockey is about EFFORT, and that's something the Flames lack. He was the only person who, game to game, played a great game. Now he's gone. And that's what I'm pissed about,
I think people are missing the point here. We don't care that Jones was only a 4th liner. It's the fact that every game he played his heart out, and every other person in the lineup- in the LEAGUE, for that matter, can learn a thing from him. The game of hockey is about EFFORT, and that's something the Flames lack. He was the only person who, game to game, played a great game. Now he's gone. And that's what I'm pissed about,
He's far from gone, he wasn't claimed. The game of hockey is not just about skating like a bull everywhere. There is what happens at practice as well as what happens off ice. Don't be so quick to jump to conclusions.
There is so much over reaction in this thread its almost unbearable.
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He's far from gone, he wasn't claimed. The game of hockey is not just about skating like a bull everywhere. There is what happens at practice as well as what happens off ice. Don't be so quick to jump to conclusions.
There is so much over reaction in this thread its almost unbearable.
If by fantastic you mean skates really quickly and was in position to score often ok. Lets not ignore a complete lack of finish and an amazing ability to kill every play. The guy is useless...and has been since he arrived here. He has no place on this team. You must think Fata was fantastic as well?
He's a 4th liner! There is a reason he is there. If he was finishing his chances he would be a fixture on the 3rd line. I'm not sure what you expect from a 4th liner but when you get hard work and multiple scoring chances from one they had a good game.
I'm a fan of 'the Jones'. His effort, age and skill set for a forth line role. Likely been said 34 times but I don't understand how he was put on waivers given out centre situation and the other plugs on our team. But perhaps there is more to the story? Who knows.
He cleared waivers but isn't the bigger threat when he gets called up (if he does)? From my understanding isn't he basically half price at that point. CGY paying half his salary and whomever picks him up paying the remainder?
I'm a fan of 'the Jones'. His effort, age and skill set for a forth line role. Likely been said 34 times buy I don't understand how he was put on waivers given out centre situation and the other plugs on our team. But perhaps there is more to the story? Who knows.
He cleared waivers but isn't the bigger threat when he gets called up (if he does)? From my understanding isn't he basically half price at that point. CGY paying half his salary and whomever picks him up paying the remainder?
Or am I drunk?
Clearing waivers =/= being assigned to the minors. As far as I know Jones has not been demoted, was just a healthy scratch.
Clearing waivers =/= being assigned to the minors. As far as I know Jones has not been demoted, was just a healthy scratch.
Right. Don't both require for Jones to 'come off' waivers though? Essentially having to clear again but at this point a team able to claim him and pay only half his salary? Maybe this changed with the new CBA or maybe I'm making this up?
Right. Don't both require for Jones to 'come off' waivers though? Essentially having to clear again but at this point a team able to claim him and pay only half his salary? Maybe this changed with the new CBA or maybe I'm making this up?
Even under the old CBA, you could waive a player and not send him down and keep playing him in the NHL without recall waivers (the Flames did it with Hagman in the 2010-11 season, then he scored a highlight reel goal against the Sharks in his next game). Once a player clears waivers, you can keep him the NHL for 30 calendar days, or (I believe) 10 games played. At any point during that time, you can send him down without putting him back on waivers (that's why Irving didn't need to go on waivers last week, he already cleared before the season started).
The new CBA eliminated recall waivers.
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Conversely there is a definate re-engineering of the team underway. The Flames have become younger, more skilled, and far more entertaining to watch. Drafting seems improved. There are more resources in scouting and player developement. There seem to be more moves made for the long term. Hudler and Wideman are on multiyear deals and will contribute for quite sometime. They aren't aging vets with one year left in the tank. They aren't home-run swings trying to push the team to the top on a miricle and a prayer. And it seems to me that the mindset is not win-now, but compete-now. My perspective of win-now was giving up future assets to try and push deep into the playoffs or win a cup. Compete-now seems to be an attempt to make the playoffs, entertain the fans, provide a good product, but not sell the future.
I think a lot of people forget that such things as team success and youth often undergo a cyclical process. The process of retooling usually results in the team getting younger and better. Underachieving teams often replace their veteran players, especially veteran UFAs, with younger players. By the time Hudler and Wideman leaves the team, they will likely be no younger than when Jokinen and Regehr left the team. When Darryl first acquired players like Tanguay, Jokinen, and Cammalleri, they were young. People talk as if Darryl was regularly signing 35+ year olds to 3-4 year contracts.
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