Brad Treliving needs to go

[dino7c]

I think the Flames need to do more...I like all three of those moves though

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

*Gio wasn't lost for nothing as cap space is important. was anyone going to give anything for a 38 year old making $6.75m?

*$4.9m for capable 25 goal guy who plays hard and performs in the PO's is not a massive contract even for a UFA.

*it's a 3rd round pick, not a 1st

I will judge Treliving on what he doesn't do, not these three things

The guy has 71 regular season goals and 10 playoff goals through his entire career. He hasn’t scored more than 22 goals in one season. I believe only one of his seasons pro rated is that of a 25 goal scorer. If Coleman comes here and has a 25G, 50P season that would be great, but you’re setting yourself up for disappointment. It’s not a bad contract in year 1 but I hope it ages well. Like Treliving said(can’t remember when), what kills you in free agency is not the dollar figure but the term.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by dino7c

I think the Flames need to do more...I like all three of those moves though

Agreed. The Flames have made some good moves, but not the ones I had hoped they would. I was expecting one or two significant moves to the core, outside of Gio and the expansion draft.

That said, I’m also aware we have no idea what discussions have occurred between the Flames and other clubs. Take a look around the league. Would people have been more satisfied if Treliving outbid Philadelphia for Ristolainen? How about Riehart? The same guys who are ripping Treliving for ‘doing nothing’ are the same ones who would be ripping him for trading another 1st round pick. I understand the need to have an outlet to air your frustrations, but it is tiring reading the same posters complian at every turn. Tell a therapist, not Calgary Puck.

Also worth noting that the biggest fish in the pond, Eichel, hasn’t been moved. The Flames have been consistently connected to him. So, until the offseason is officially over, I’m not passing judgment.

[Strange Brew]

It's funny. You look at deals around the league and some folks will conclude the same things.

If it was a good acquisition, many will say that player x would never have come here or the Flames didn't have the assets to make such a deal.
If it's a bad deal, well we should be thankful that Flames didn't do it. No deal is better than a bad deal.

I'm not looking for Tre to be bent over, but when you're sitting on a bad hand, a strategy of continuing to push chips into the pot after every round of betting is a little questionable. IMO you're better off overpaying for something you really need.

But of course the off season is not over yet so I hope any reasonable fan who has a point in time assessment of the GM's performance will consider new information once it comes in.

[Flames_F.T.W]

I hope the lack of ANYTHING is related to being in the Eichel sweepstakes. Because missing out on moves like acquiring Buchnevich for peanuts and failing to re-sign or trade Gaudreau before his NTC kicked in seem like major failings otherwise. I'm happy to give Tre a few more weeks, but it's looking more and more likely that this offseason has been a failure.

[direwolf]

The Eichel thing is likely what's holding everything else up, including the Gaudreau signing. There's no way he's playing another game for the Sabres, so Buffalo needs to suck it up and accept the best offer already. Just rip the band-aid off and get it over with.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

*$4.9m for capable 25 goal guy who plays hard and performs in the PO's is not a massive contract even for a UFA.

I would wait for a play to actually get 25 goals before describing him as a capable 25 goal guy. Coleman should be good for 15-20 goals but getting 25 goals is hard, especially if you aren't getting premium power play time.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

The guy has 71 regular season goals and 10 playoff goals through his entire career. He hasn’t scored more than 22 goals in one season. I believe only one of his seasons pro rated is that of a 25 goal scorer. If Coleman comes here and has a 25G, 50P season that would be great, but you’re setting yourself up for disappointment. It’s not a bad contract in year 1 but I hope it ages well. Like Treliving said(can’t remember when), what kills you in free agency is not the dollar figure but the term.

I don't think you get how hard goal scoring is in the modern era of the NHL.

Coleman is 68th for forwards in the last three years in goals per 60 minutes of five on five ice time.

68 seems good in a league with 31 teams.

[The Original FFIV]

Originally Posted by Flames_F.T.W

I hope the lack of ANYTHING is related to being in the Eichel sweepstakes. Because missing out on moves like acquiring Buchnevich for peanuts and failing to re-sign or trade Gaudreau before his NTC kicked in seem like major failings otherwise. I'm happy to give Tre a few more weeks, but it's looking more and more likely that this offseason has been a failure.

Trying to think of an analogy for this off season. It would be like having a house that has a leaky roof and is in need of repair (our core). So instead of addressing the roof, you go and build a garage and a shed (our new additions). Your roof still leaks, but now you have a covered place to park and additional storage space. Do you hope that the leaky roof resolves itself or do you still have time to replace it? You have assets to fix the roof (cap space, roster players, draft picks, prospects), but time is running out.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by The Original FFIV

Trying to think of an analogy for this off season. It would be like having a house that has a leaky roof and is in need of repair (our core). So instead of addressing the roof, you go and build a garage and a shed (our new additions). Your roof still leaks, but now you have a covered place to park and additional storage space. Do you hope that the leaky roof resolves itself or do you still have time to replace it? You have assets to fix the roof (cap space, roster players, draft picks, prospects), but time is running out.

Well, maybe you think it will never rain again and the roof just had a bad year

[timbit]

Originally Posted by The Original FFIV

Trying to think of an analogy for this off season. It would be like having a house that has a leaky roof and is in need of repair (our core). So instead of addressing the roof, you go and build a garage and a shed (our new additions). Your roof still leaks, but now you have a covered place to park and additional storage space. Do you hope that the leaky roof resolves itself or do you still have time to replace it? You have assets to fix the roof (cap space, roster players, draft picks, prospects), but time is running out.

Yet, expectations are obtaining valuable returns for the faulty shingles.

[Chonger]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

Well, maybe you think it will never rain again and the roof just had a bad year

Maybe we can just throw a tarp up there for a season? That'll work right?

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[Bingo]

All these analogies always pin on the idea that Treliving has either a) not seen the problems you all see b) not tried to fix them

He basically said the core needs to change, which is discussing the leaky roof.

But sometimes you can't find a roofing guy because a hurricane just went through and the backlog is 6 months.

Getting away from the analogy, do you all really want him moving core pieces at firesale prices if that's all that's being offered?

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

Well, maybe you think it will never rain again and the roof just had a bad year

And your 2 neighbors have leaky roofs too, so you should just be happy if you leak less than them.
Especially the tear down dump to your North.

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by Bingo

All these analogies always pin on the idea that Treliving has either a) not seen the problems you all see b) not tried to fix them

C) He's also awful at home upkeep and car care.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by Bingo

All these analogies always pin on the idea that Treliving has either a) not seen the problems you all see b) not tried to fix them

He basically said the core needs to change, which is discussing the leaky roof.

But sometimes you can't find a roofing guy because a hurricane just went through and the backlog is 6 months.

Getting away from the analogy, do you all really want him moving core pieces at firesale prices if that's all that's being offered?

No but how many core pieces do we really have? Johnny,Tkachuk and Lindholm?

[Flames_F.T.W]

Originally Posted by Bingo

All these analogies always pin on the idea that Treliving has either a) not seen the problems you all see b) not tried to fix them

He basically said the core needs to change, which is discussing the leaky roof.

But sometimes you can't find a roofing guy because a hurricane just went through and the backlog is 6 months.

Getting away from the analogy, do you all really want him moving core pieces at firesale prices if that's all that's being offered?

He should have contacted a roofing guy after the Colorado fiasco 2yrs ago but hoped the roof would fix itself

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

If it's any consolation, I think there stands a decent chance that this team is less than mediocre and we see a dismantling at the trade deadline.

I think there is probably a bigger chance that this is a bottom 5 lottery team as it is right now than a playoff team.

I feel pretty bad for Sutter to come out of retirement for this.

Unless there is a slew of injuries this is simply not happening. The Flames are not finishing in the bottom five.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Flames_F.T.W

He should have contacted a roofing guy after the Colorado fiasco 2yrs ago but hoped the roof would fix itself

After finishing 2nd overall he should have torn the core up? That would have been ballsy!

[The Original FFIV]

Originally Posted by Bingo

All these analogies always pin on the idea that Treliving has either a) not seen the problems you all see b) not tried to fix them

He basically said the core needs to change, which is discussing the leaky roof.

But sometimes you can't find a roofing guy because a hurricane just went through and the backlog is 6 months.

Getting away from the analogy, do you all really want him moving core pieces at firesale prices if that's all that's being offered?

The main issue is that the roof has been leaky for a few seasons now and it hasn't been addressed. And continues to leak. So now there is a heightened urgency to address the roof which you have neglected. Never a good time to replace the roof, but the occupants (fans) are tired of getting wet.

As for the core pieces/firesale prices, there are teams in similar binds that have core pieces that need to be moved out (see Tarasenko in StL for example). Change of scenery trades can work out for teams. Do I want to have Monahan brought back for another season to listen to him go on and on about what at tight group they are - absolutely not. He's injury prone and in decline, but has a track record of goal scoring which should elicit some level of interest around the league, albeit not at the return you could have received a couple of seasons back. Sometimes you have to realize the value you attach to the player isn't how other teams view him.

You don't have to gut the team but taking one of the core forwards out of the equation would deliver the change that we seek. Is it ideal to have Backlund as a 2nd line C? No, but we haven't got the desired results with the current lineup. Don't underestimate the possibility of addition through subtraction. Opening up a roster spot also allows for the possibility for one of the young kids to surprise, instead of being blocked by an underperforming vet.