2018/2019 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[keenan87]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Again, why would Bobrovsky forego free agency to sign here for less than he currently makes?

SMH

Oh no. Please don't shake your head, as you might end up messing up your neck. You don't want to ruin your day because you can't move your neck all of a sudden. Be careful!

As for Bobrovsky foregoing free agency to sign with Calgary for less than he currently makes? I don't know, maybe insurance? He isn't 25 anymore and if a long-term deal is on the table, it might not be the worst option... or maybe he isn't getting that type of deal from other teams...

or maybe he wants to play in Calgary because he enjoys the Stampede... or maybe he wants to play for a Canadian market... or maybe it just makes sense for his family... or maybe the Flames can convince him to sign on...

Unless you are Sergei

If not, then unless you have a quote from him specifically stating he won't sign with Calgary or for less than what he currently makes...then you know just as much as I do and shouldn't strain your neck too much

[David Struch]

Nice line-up keenan87.

According to capfriendly, the available cap space to sign Nylander after your three trades, $8,615,791.

*Including Sergei Bobrovsky's correct salary of $7,425,000

[Sutter_in_law]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Stone on the bench > Lucic on the ice

a literal stone/rock on the ice is better than Lucic on the ice

[keenan87]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

A. how do you sign Bob for a $500K pay cut?
B. What is Nylander going to get paid?
C. Why does LA do that deal? Bennett and Neal are underperforming at least in production, Bennett is an upcoming RFA and Neal older and more expensive (with term) than Toffoli. If LA is rebuilding, Neal is not a guy they want.

A) Insurance for a guy who is above 30 years old. A long-term deal is a risk for the Flames but you need to do it to keep the AAV down. Unless Bobrovsky thinks he can continue to play at MVP levels until he is 37, then you may be right. And.. it seems like that we do have more money to pay him if it comes down to it (thanks to David Struch for figuring it out)

B) I don't know, pay him 7.0 million dollars. I completely think that at this point he is just not wanting to sign with the Leafs and will sign lower than the rumoured 8.0 million.

C) Toffoli isn't doing overly well and maybe LA wants to re-tool rather than re-build. Bennett is a potential bust or can make a career... Neal may ask for a trade soon and fit in well with that big but slow roster.. LA is also really not in a great position to tear it all up and might get desperate here to try and remain relevant.

[keenan87]

Originally Posted by David Struch

^ According to capfriendly, the available cap space to sign Nylander after your three trades, $8,615,791.

I like the research skills! I think you have a fantastic chance at becoming my AGM. Assistant GM.. not Assistant to the GM.

[SportsJunky]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Still thinking about trying to target a combo of Campbell and Carter from LA... I wonder if Jankowski + 1st 2019 and some cap dump options could work.

I wouldn't give away a 1st for Campbell if he was healthy and he's not. He's out for the next 4-6 weeks. LA is in BIG trouble.


Carter is interesting but he is 35 years old. No spring chicken.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by David Struch

^ According to capfriendly, the available cap space to sign Nylander after your three trades, $8,615,791.

I'm not paying Nylander more than Gaudreau, or Pasternak, or Kuzneztov, or Scheifele. And, yes, I know the cap has gone up.

That's a Draisaitl mistake.

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by keenan87

Oh no. Please don't shake your head, as you might end up messing up your neck. You don't want to ruin your day because you can't move your neck all of a sudden. Be careful!

As for Bobrovsky foregoing free agency to sign with Calgary for less than he currently makes? I don't know, maybe insurance? He isn't 25 anymore and if a long-term deal is on the table, it might not be the worst option... or maybe he isn't getting that type of deal from other teams...

or maybe he wants to play in Calgary because he enjoys the Stampede... or maybe he wants to play for a Canadian market... or maybe it just makes sense for his family... or maybe the Flames can convince him to sign on...

Unless you are Sergei

If not, then unless you have a quote from him specifically stating he won't sign with Calgary or for less than what he currently makes...then you know just as much as I do and shouldn't strain your neck too much

A player approaching his last contract who is going to market and fielding offers from 30 teams doesn't take a deal for $500K less than he is currently making for a loss (at face value) of $3.5M over 7 years just for insurance. Quite the opposite. They maximize these deals. Bobrovsky isn't a goalie clinging to the end of his career. He'll have plenty of suitors.

I don't need to be an insider or even Bobrovsky to know that.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by keenan87

A) Insurance for a guy who is above 30 years old. A long-term deal is a risk for the Flames but you need to do it to keep the AAV down. Unless Bobrovsky thinks he can continue to play at MVP levels until he is 37, then you may be right. And.. it seems like that we do have more money to pay him if it comes down to it (thanks to David Struch for figuring it out)

B) I don't know, pay him 7.0 million dollars. I completely think that at this point he is just not wanting to sign with the Leafs and will sign lower than the rumoured 8.0 million.

C) Toffoli isn't doing overly well and maybe LA wants to re-tool rather than re-build. Bennett is a potential bust or can make a career... Neal may ask for a trade soon and fit in well with that big but slow roster.. LA is also really not in a great position to tear it all up and might get desperate here to try and remain relevant.

I don't think you are right about what Nylander wants, though he may well end up taking less than 8 (but that would be after missing a year). For sure Bob isn't taking a pay cut, unless it's to play in a major city with a shot at a cup. And Toffoli is 26, plays C and RW (RHS) and has about the same points as Bennett and Neal combined. Neal for the term he's on is the opposite of what LA needs, even if he rebounds with their current roster. Bennett they might want but he's not the centrepiece of a trade. They'd want young players.

[keenan87]

Originally Posted by Toonage

A player approaching his last contract who is going to market and fielding offers from 30 teams doesn't take a deal for $500K less than he is currently making for a loss (at face value) of $3.5M over 7 years just for insurance. Quite the opposite. They maximize these deals. Bobrovsky isn't a goalie clinging to the end of his career. He'll have plenty of suitors.

I don't need to be an insider or even Bobrovsky to know that.

Well that sucks.. I thought maybe we had Bobrovsky on CP. Now, that would have been sweet haha

I don't know... how many other teams do you think are ready to spend 8.0+ million dollars on Bobrovsky in the off-season? I don't think there are many.

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by keenan87

Well that sucks.. I thought maybe we had Bobrovsky on CP. Now, that would have been sweet haha

I don't know... how many other teams do you think are ready to spend 8.0+ million dollars on Bobrovsky in the off-season? I don't think there are many.

Philadelphia, NYI to name a few.

[keenan87]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I don't think you are right about what Nylander wants, though he may well end up taking less than 8 (but that would be after missing a year). For sure Bob isn't taking a pay cut, unless it's to play in a major city with a shot at a cup. And Toffoli is 26, plays C and RW (RHS) and has about the same points as Bennett and Neal combined. Neal for the term he's on is the opposite of what LA needs, even if he rebounds with their current roster. Bennett they might want but he's not the centrepiece of a trade. They'd want young players.

That's fair. I mostly made some random offers that seemed fair to me. We have different opinions and it would be cool to see how it plays out on Nylander... I think he signs for 7 mil max.

[savemedrzaius]

Originally Posted by Toonage

A player approaching his last contract who is going to market and fielding offers from 30 teams doesn't take a deal for $500K less than he is currently making for a loss (at face value) of $3.5M over 7 years just for insurance. Quite the opposite. They maximize these deals. Bobrovsky isn't a goalie clinging to the end of his career. He'll have plenty of suitors.

I don't need to be an insider or even Bobrovsky to know that.

I'm pretty sure the guy is just writing FanFiction at this point.

“We trade for Bob. He signs a 6 million year deal because he had a dream about a Flaming Horse head. The head told him to sign with the Flames. After we sign him he comes to my house for a beer. We become best friends. In Game 7 of the Stanley Cup finals he hits head. As he's dying he tells me to take his place. I win the cup. The End.”

[SportsJunky]

I've been wondering if a player on a newly signed, long term contract like Bob will presumably be, looks at Canada as a more attractive option. Being paid in U.S. dollars but living in Canada must move the needle a little bit, no? Having an extra 30% spending money sounds nice on paper at least. I'm not sure about tax implications though.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Toonage

A player approaching his last contract who is going to market and fielding offers from 30 teams doesn't take a deal for $500K less than he is currently making for a loss (at face value) of $3.5M over 7 years just for insurance. Quite the opposite. They maximize these deals. Bobrovsky isn't a goalie clinging to the end of his career. He'll have plenty of suitors.

I don't need to be an insider or even Bobrovsky to know that.

Yeah, 30 ain't that old for a goalie.

You might get him for less than 8 if you give him more years than anyone else, but then you wind up with some dead years at the end.

[keenan87]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Philadelphia, NYI to name a few.

Philadelphia... didn't he already get run out of town once over there?

NYI ... fair enough but that is not a team that is even close to contending anymore. Big market though, so you are right on that. However, when is the last time a HUGE FA signed with NYI?

[Oling_Roachinen]

So he's a HUGE FA but there won't be a ton of teams lining up to sign him either. Okay.

[keenan87]

Originally Posted by savemedrzaius

I'm pretty sure the guy is just writing FanFiction at this point.

“We trade for Bob. He signs a 6 million year deal because he had a dream about a Flaming Horse head. The head told him to sign with the Flames. After we sign him he comes to my house for a beer. We become best friends. In Game 7 of the Stanley Cup finals he hits head. As he's dying he tells me to take his place. I win the cup. The End.”

That got wayy to dark there.

I was more thinking he gets a sprained ankle in Game 7 of the Stanley Cup finals... and then he asks me to enter the game and with 1 minute remaining in a tie 1-1 game, I save a penalty shot given to McDavid (who plays for an eastern team at this point)... Next face-off, McDavid gets another breakaway and I save it again, but I purposely kick the rebound out far enough to spring Sean Monahan on a breakaway.. He goes in, he shoots, he scores!!!!!!!!

The Calgary Flames win the Stanley Cup and I am instantly signed to a 8 year 11 million dollar contract.

The End.

[Toonage]

Flyers - different management team (and ownership for that matter) from when he was moved. Pretty sure $8M+ heals any old wounds
NYI - Ladd may have been the last big name FA but again, they'll have plenty of money to lure him over

And those are just 2 examples. Vancouver could offer big money, Carolina could swing it, point being he won't need to feel panicked about not landing somewhere that he isn't making at least the same money he did in Columbus.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by SportsJunky

I've been wondering if a player on a newly signed, long term contract like Bob will presumably be, looks at Canada as a more attractive option. Being paid in U.S. dollars but living in Canada must move the needle a little bit, no? Having an extra 30% spending money sounds nice on paper at least. I'm not sure about tax implications though.

The taxes are a much bigger consideration than exchange rates (if that's what you are getting at). For a couple reasons. Lower taxes put the extra dollars in his pocket off the top. Then, goods and services are usually cheaper down south generally.

A lot of players look to lifestyle at the back half of their career, too - it's why San Jose gets a long look by players. It's why guys like playing in AZ, or Vegas, too.