2016 NHL Draft

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by cofias

The thing is that we have a GM that actually knows how to pull off a good trade. Players like Brodie are extremely valuable in the modern NHL. We don't need to address our direct needs with a 6th overall pick, and in fact we should not be trying to do that either.

If we had a GM like Dim Jim or someone else who keeps getting ripped off, your argument would have more weight. Instead it seems to be us coming out on top of trades lately.

Drafting players hoping they will become assets to trade. Has this ever worked for anyone in the past?

[Henry Fool]

Not all intelligent, smooth defensemen are equal. Some are extra smooth, perhaps smooth enough to go in the top-6.

I think Edmonton will pick Juolevi anyway.

[Fighting Banana Slug]

Originally Posted by New Era

Drafting players hoping they will become assets to trade. Has this ever worked for anyone in the past?

Does picking for need ever work? The guy picked as 6 is unlikely to make an impact in the NHL for 2-3 years at a minimum.

Flames brass have been fairly clear in recent pressers and the STH events that major mistakes occur drafting for need.

[Flamenspiel]

I think Nylander will be a good pick, people are over analyzing it because he is not a "black and blue player". He has as much skill as any player except the top two and you can never have too much skill.

[Henry Fool]

Originally Posted by Flamenspiel

I think Nylander will be a good pick, people are over analyzing it because he is not a "black and blue player". He has as much skill as any player except the top two and you can never have too much skill.

I agree about Nylander, and I used to think that he was the most likely Flames pick, but right now the mock draft in my head has the Flames picking Tkachuk. If there are defensemen in the same mix, which looks to be the case, Edmonton really doesn't need to add forwards.

[Henry Fool]

The position Edmonton needs most help with is defense. The quality their lineup is most lacking in is intelligence. So in their position I would just pick the most intelligent defenseman provided he's not in a lower tier than the other options. It's the one type of player that might start turning their lineup into something coherent.

[Iniggywetrust]

Originally Posted by New Era

Drafting players hoping they will become assets to trade. Has this ever worked for anyone in the past?

I think it worked pretty well for Nashville when they grabbed Jones.

He was an easy pick at 4 that year, but they were pretty stacked on D already. Could have passed for positional need, but ended up parlaying him into a good Center.

[Poe969]

I wouldn't be surprised if the oilers grabbed Chychrun because he seems NHL ready.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Iniggywetrust

I think it worked pretty well for Nashville when they grabbed Jones.

He was an easy pick at 4 that year, but they were pretty stacked on D already. Could have passed for positional need, but ended up parlaying him into a good Center.

That's why BPA is the way to go when you are drafting in the first round.

[Erick Estrada]

Fan 960 right now has Dennis MacInnis and Phil Myer of ISS discussing the prospects;

-Say more players in the top 10 are NHL ready than last season. Top 3 for sure NHL ready.
-Sounds to be that McKinnis likes Puljujarvi (center potential, better skater) over Laine
-Say Tkachuk more talented than his dad.
-They liken Dubois to a Jamie Benn type
-Dennis says Alex Nylander is a little larger than his brother and isn't scared to go into the rough areas and is the type of player that can win a game for you at any time. Too much offensive upside to pass on he says.
-Discussed the three defensemen but didn't really say much that we already haven't heard. Never really indicated which one may be better than the others.

[Henry Fool]

I don't buy any team preferring Puljujärvi over Laine and I don't buy Puljujärvi's supposed center potential. Laine is better now while also having more room to grow as a player.

Here's Ferraro on Laine in a new article. You don't pass him for projected two-way play or a vague promise that a pure winger will turn into a center:

Quote:
“He’s a powerful kid who probably doesn’t realize yet what he has in his toolbox,” Ferraro said. “Right now it’s all about his shot. Why not? If you popped him into the NHL right now on this day, he’s got a top-five shot in the entire league. His shot is unreal. And it’s not just the one-timer. It’s his wrist shot too. His mechanics and his release are elite.

“You know how some guys just hit the golf ball farther than anyone else and you don’t know why? Well, that’s this kid and his shot. But he’s going to figure out he has more than just the shot. He’s almost 6-5 and his reach is Mario [Lemieux]-like. When he puts his body between you and the puck and extends his arms, you’re seven feet away from the puck. It’s impossible to take the puck from him. I’ll say this: He really won me over at the worlds.”
http://www.tsn.ca/towering-laine-pos...dence-1.500870

[Krynn]

Yeah I just caught the end of the interview. Going to go back and listen ti it later tonight .sounded like a great interview

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Iniggywetrust

I think it worked pretty well for Nashville when they grabbed Jones.

He was an easy pick at 4 that year, but they were pretty stacked on D already. Could have passed for positional need, but ended up parlaying him into a good Center.

Or they could have picked Sean Monahan and got that number one center they were looking for. I think that would have worked out much better for them.

[Erick Estrada]

I don't buy any team preferring Puljujärvi over Laine and I don't buy Puljujärvi's supposed center potential. Laine is better now while also having more room to grow as a player.

Here's Ferraro on Laine in a new article. You don't pass him for projected two-way play or a vague promise that a pure winger will turn into a center:

Quote:
“He’s a powerful kid who probably doesn’t realize yet what he has in his toolbox,” Ferraro said. “Right now it’s all about his shot. Why not? If you popped him into the NHL right now on this day, he’s got a top-five shot in the entire league. His shot is unreal. And it’s not just the one-timer. It’s his wrist shot too. His mechanics and his release are elite.

“You know how some guys just hit the golf ball farther than anyone else and you don’t know why? Well, that’s this kid and his shot. But he’s going to figure out he has more than just the shot. He’s almost 6-5 and his reach is Mario [Lemieux]-like. When he puts his body between you and the puck and extends his arms, you’re seven feet away from the puck. It’s impossible to take the puck from him. I’ll say this: He really won me over at the worlds.”
http://www.tsn.ca/towering-laine-pos...dence-1.500870

Can you remind me on what scouting bureau Ray Ferraro works for? I'm just telling you what was said. Listen to it yourself. Millard said yesterday his source tells him the Jets are split on them so I believe there's some merit that a team could prefer Puljujarvi.

[Henry Fool]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Can you remind me on what scouting bureau Ray Ferraro works for? I'm just telling you what was said. Listen to it yourself. Millard said yesterday his source tells him the Jets are split on them so I believe there's some merit that a team could prefer Puljujarvi.

My view is based on watching them in Finland and national team and I've held it since November. I just linked to the article because I thought people would find it more interesting.

I think Ferraro should know about forwards and has no reason to be biased for Laine. In fact he initially seemed oddly sceptical at the world championship. ISS on the other hand doesn't employ proper scouts in Finland.

[Boreal]

Originally Posted by New Era

Or they could have picked Sean Monahan and got that number one center they were looking for. I think that would have worked out much better for them.

Or they could have picked Elias Lindholm, you know, if we're going to debate strawmen ad hominem?

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by nobles_point

Or they could have picked Elias Lindholm, you know, if we're going to debate strawmen ad hominem?

Both would have been sufficient picks and met their need. What is your point? As it turns out, drafting Monahan would have met their need and got the BPA, so I fail to see the other crap in your post.

[Five-hole]

Originally Posted by New Era

Rasmus Andersson - He's an intelligent, smooth skating defender with offensive upside. Reminds me of Brodie.

Oliver Kylington - He's an intelligent, smooth skating defender with offensive upside. Reminds me of Brodie.

Brandon Hickey - He's an intelligent, smooth skating defender with offensive upside. Reminds me of Brodie.

I think there is too much a good thing. We have other holes to worry about.

Not sure I agree with your assumptions or your conclusions. While Juolevi compares to Brodie, I'm not sure the other guys do. Andersson is bigger and more physical but doesn't skate as well. Kylington is far more offense focused than Brodie and projects to be a high point-producing PP QB, but with defensive foibles. Hickey has a great point shot but is far less effective in transition than Brodie, but probably has the most refined defensive game of the three.

And we've heard about the juggernaut that is 6 Giordanos. Would 5 Brodies really be all that bad?

[Five-hole]

Originally Posted by New Era

Both would have been sufficient picks and met their need. What is your point? As it turns out, drafting Monahan would have met their need and got the BPA, so I fail to see the other crap in your post.

You're doing that hindsight thing again. Monahan was not the BPA at the time. Jones was. Monahan has become that, but that's different.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Five-hole

You're doing that hindsight thing again. Monahan was not the BPA at the time. Jones was. Monahan has become that, but that's different.

exactly ...

and lucking into the BPA available isn't the same as choosing what you think is the BPA available at the time.

if the BPA is a defenseman I don't care if his name is Earl Brodie, draft another Brodie!

If he doesn't turn out you die by your own sword, and avoid being cute trying to map out a roster that won't be formed for 24 to 48 months.