The New American Politics thread

[rubecube]

So does Bernie drop out after tonight? Hard to see any way of him getting the nomination now.

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by Dan02

As of right now Trump has over 48% of the pledged delegates awarded

What % of total delegates?

[Senator Clay Davis]

It was hard to see Bernie winning before tonight. It's impossible now, even if he wins Illinois and Missouri it will be with small margins. Kasich wins Ohio, but where does he go now? Probably disappear and spend very little and let Cruz and Trump go at each other.

[FlameOn]

Well. Clinton vs. Trump presidential election now by the looks of it.

I've heard from a couple of people that voted Trump that they are unhappy enough with the establishment that they'd be okay to just let both parties just burn for awhile. Trump may actually deliver on that.

[Sidney Crosby's Hat]

Originally Posted by rubecube

So does Bernie drop out after tonight? Hard to see any way of him getting the nomination now.

If Hillary goes to jail, that's one way...

[White Out 403]

If I was Bernie I'd stay in the race to see if there's anything with the email investigation.

Rubio getting his teeth kicked in all over Florida has to be humiliating.

[Senator Clay Davis]

If Hillary gets indicted you figure Biden is waiting to step in and all of Hillary's pledged delegates will easily follow him.

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by rubecube

So does Bernie drop out after tonight? Hard to see any way of him getting the nomination now.

He's got money and a message... so no, he doesn't.

[White Out 403]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

If Hillary gets indicted you figure Biden is waiting to step in and all of Hillary's pledged delegates will easily follow him.

I love Uncle Joe but Bernie would be the #1 imo

[Senator Clay Davis]

Well with the pledged delegates and supers all for Biden, he'd win easily and no one would really complain. Besides Biden-Trump would be so amazing, the debates would be epic facial expression wars.

[FlameOn]

Originally Posted by Sidney Crosby's Hat

If Hillary goes to jail, that's one way...

International news outlets picking up on that one now. BBC and Reuters. They speculate that the only reason that an indictment hasn't come is because of sympathetic "political considerations"
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-35722882

[Ducay]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

Kasich wins Ohio, but where does he go now? Probably disappear and spend very little and let Cruz and Trump go at each other.

He is going to try and win a few of the bigger remaining states (basically Pennsylvania and Cali where he will be more palatable than crazy Cruz or Trump), make his case that he is a nationally supported candidate who everyone can get behind at a convention. Even if he won every delegate from here on out he would still be short, he needs the convention.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

Kasich wins Ohio, but where does he go now? Probably disappear and spend very little and let Cruz and Drumpf go at each other.

Not sure I can agree with that one. He gets a bunch of Rubio support and emerges as the "Sanity" candidate, racks up enough delegates for a respectable, though not close, third place finish, and goes into the convention, where on the second ballot, he gets every non-TrumpCruz delegate on the second ballot and has a shot at stealing the thing.

Basically, he carries on as the "Romney Plan" representative.

[Senator Clay Davis]

But he can't win enough votes with Cruz and Trump combined getting 70% of the vote. Winning Ohio was always about the delegates and a convention, maybe he'll take a run at a few upcoming states but as much as he's a decent candidate (relatively speaking as always), I don't see him appealing much in the remaining states.

[Ducay]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

But he can't win enough votes with Cruz and Trump combined getting 70% of the vote. Winning Ohio was always about the delegates and a convention, maybe he'll take a run at a few upcoming states but as much as he's a decent candidate (relatively speaking as always), I don't see him appealing much in the remaining states.

Well it doesn't really matter if he does or doesn't. All those states do is help make his case as the (aformentioned) sane option. Adding those states' delegates helps, but I doubt it will be that close. Basically the party will go for him whole-heartedly after the 1st ballot, or it wont. He's not a bubble candidate that needs to win over a few delegates, he's going to need almost all of them to flip who can after the 1st.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

I don't mind Hillary as a candidate, but holy moly she needs to stop yelling.

[Jacks]

This morning Rubio said he is moving on to next week regardless of how he does in Florida, this evening he is done. No wonder noone trusts anything politicians say. He could have done the same as Kasich and refused to speculate because he intends to win Florida.

[White Out 403]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

I don't mind Hillary as a candidate, but holy moly she needs to stop yelling.

She's a god damn liar. ugh.

[Matty81]

I am kind of expecting that Kasich will be around for a while, seems to be picking up steam and visibility. This definitely seems like it will be a contested nomination in the end and I think he'll play a role.

Kasich is the most moderate one left now and the big states that are yet to come are the most centrist, New York, Penn and California alone are over 300 delegates and aren't traditional hard right states, lots of fiscally conservative social moderates. Though the racism might play in some parts of california I guess.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Originally Posted by Ducay

Well it doesn't really matter if he does or doesn't. All those states do is help make his case as the (aformentioned) sane option. Adding those states' delegates helps, but I doubt it will be that close. Basically the party will go for him whole-heartedly after the 1st ballot, or it wont. He's not a bubble candidate that needs to win over a few delegates, he's going to need almost all of them to flip who can after the 1st.

The convention is still such a mystery as to how it will work. In theory Rubio could come back into play then as the establishment choice, or Romney could jump in. I would think Rubio/Kasich ticket is the preferred establishment choice if they can control the convention.