Israel declares war on Hamas

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Azure

The same UN that has stood by and done nothing while billions of aid money was diverted away from the people of Gaza and used to fund Hamas military operations.

Okay then.

Is there anything you won't dismiss outright? Are you disparaging the justices who will view this evidence and come to a conclusion? Do you question their training, or integrity? What if that favors Israel, will you use it as evidence no genocide has taken place? Or dismiss their conclusion?

[Red Slinger]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Is there anything you won't dismiss outright? Are you disparaging the justices who will view this evidence and come to a conclusion? Do you question their training, or integrity? What if that favors Israel, will you use it as evidence no genocide has taken place? Or dismiss their conclusion?

I think both are true: there's lot of evidence of many high-ranking Israeli government officials espousing the destruction of Gaza and the UN has some committees stacked with bad actors.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Red Slinger

I think both are true: there's lot of evidence of many high-ranking Israeli government officials espousing the destruction of Gaza and the UN has some committees stacked with bad actors.

Sure, and most people I think recognize that. Is there any evidence this court is a victim of that?

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Is there anything you won't dismiss outright? Are you disparaging the justices who will view this evidence and come to a conclusion? Do you question their training, or integrity? What if that favors Israel, will you use it as evidence no genocide has taken place? Or dismiss their conclusion?

We live in a world where the Syrian government is carrying nerve gas attacks against it's own people, Iran is executing LGTBQ people, Saudi Arabia is executing journalists and people for conspiring with genies, and hundreds of thousands are dying in the Sudan, yet Israel has about the same number of resolutions against it as the rest of the world combined. This the same body that selects the triers of fact for the ICJ. You don't think there could be some bias there?

[Fuzz]

Ya, nevermind. This world is ####ed and people are horrible, and will do and say anything to justify killing others. Keep at it.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Ya, nevermind. This world is ####ed and people are horrible, and will do and say anything to justify killing others. Keep at it.

When you refuse to deal with the root causes from both sides and focus unjustly on what one side is doing, it exacerbates those causes and makes the conflict worse. For example, refusing to acknowledge the actions of Hamas and its easily identified state sponsors is going to make this conflict worse.

[Nage Waza]

Originally Posted by blankall

We live in a world where the Syrian government is carrying nerve gas attacks against it's own people, Iran is executing LGTBQ people, Saudi Arabia is executing journalists and people for conspiring with genies, and hundreds of thousands are dying in the Sudan, yet Israel has about the same number of resolutions against it as the rest of the world combined. This the same body that selects the triers of fact for the ICJ. You don't think there could be some bias there?

What is going on in Sudan is genocide, for some reason no protests against that conflict? I wonder why?

[Fuzz]

Deflect! Deflect! "Look what's happening over THERE!" Kind of pathetic, but not unexpected. Worry about your own genocide.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Nage Waza

What is going on in Sudan is genocide, for some reason no protests against that conflict? I wonder why?

Why aren’t you protesting it? Where’s your 100 posts about the genocide in Sudan?

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Deflect! Deflect! "Look what's happening over THERE!" Kind of pathetic, but not unexpected. Worry about your own genocide.

We're talking specifically about the impartiality of an international body who has a track record of not being impartial. Discussion of other events they are ignoring is directly relevant to that point and not deflection.

[Bagor]

Originally Posted by Nage Waza

What is going on in Sudan is genocide, for some reason no protests against that conflict? I wonder why?

And does that justify the Genocide in Gaza in your mind?

[flylock shox]

Originally Posted by blankall

People underestimate the true chaos of October 7. Literally thousands of militants running around just destroying whatever they could. Certainly a few civilians were caught in the cross-fire of were inside structures and vehicles occupied by Hamas militants.

There's, however, zero evidence to show that the IDF was responsible for any significant share of the casualties on Oct 7 though.

Once again, interesting that there's so much effort put into this argument, yet no mention of the fact that about 1/3 of all missiles launched by Hamas fall inside of Gaza. We also had multiple pages debating the physics of gravity after a clear video emerged of a Palestinian rocket hitting a Palestinian hospital.

I don't know if people underestimate it per se, I just think it was over so quickly and the focus switched to the war on Gaza so soon afterwards that the matter hasn't yet received the attention it merits. That's not surprising all things considered, but my hope is there will be a full examination of the event in time, starting with the intelligence failures, addressing the military deployment before and during October 7th, and allowing witnesses to speak freely about what transpired.

But I would be surprised if such an investigation were to find that there were no civilian deaths attributable to the IDF beyond mere crossfire. I simply don't see how the situation could have resolved any other way than through a willingness to disregard civilian casualties in at least some instances. I'm sure we won't have those answers for quite some time yet though. Until then we can only speculate based on what accounts trickle out.

[_Q_]

Do any of you zionists have a better defence than "sure, what we're doing is genocide, but look over here at this other genocide."

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by _Q_

Let me be the first to tell you that, no, that is not how you conduct war in the 21st century.

I also think that international law has made it so difficult to conduct war now that it is more effective for nations to resolve their issues diplomatically.

How should Israel resolve its issue with Hamas diplomatically? Is there any nation in the world that, after being subjected to the atrocities of Oct 7, would foreswear using force to destroy the perpetrators?

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Is there anything you won't dismiss outright? Are you disparaging the justices who will view this evidence and come to a conclusion? Do you question their training, or integrity? What if that favors Israel, will you use it as evidence no genocide has taken place? Or dismiss their conclusion?

Take the same people in front of a different court, hell use the WTO, and I'll take it more serious. The UN has been a complete joke and fraud when it comes to their actions on this specific issue.

Literally have stood quiet for years while billions have flown in the hands of Hamas.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Ya, nevermind. This world is ####ed and people are horrible, and will do and say anything to justify killing others. Keep at it.

You still haven’t answered the question of why Israel attracts far, far more international condemnation than those other powers. Any ideas? Or is it just one of those mysteries that isn’t worth thinking about?

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Deflect! Deflect! "Look what's happening over THERE!" Kind of pathetic, but not unexpected. Worry about your own genocide.

Well you were wondering why nobody should take the UN serious, and when it is pointed out why, you act like a child about it.

I keep saying that we should follow the money.

There are tons of terrorist actors throughout the entire world who would do a lot more damage and kill a lot more innocent people if they had the funding. The entire world works hard to try and prevent that.

Except when it comes to Hamas. There everyone just turns a blind eye while aid money is funnelled into their pockets.

The UN is complicit when it comes to this specific situation and should actually recuse itself as an organization on the basis of being pathetically incompetent.

[_Q_]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

How should Israel resolve its issue with Hamas diplomatically? Is there any nation in the world that, after being subjected to the atrocities of Oct 7, would foreswear using force to destroy the perpetrators?

I don't know, but erase an entire population sure doesn't seen like the right way to deal with it.

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

How should Israel resolve its issue with Hamas diplomatically? Is there any nation in the world that, after being subjected to the atrocities of Oct 7, would foreswear using force to destroy the perpetrators?

I don't think they can diplomatically.

I think they need to do it with assassinations/spycraft/covert operations. Well, I said "need" but I meant "needed". As in they should have done it that way. A little late now. They should obviously stop murdering civilians and terrorizing the population immediately and hopefully a handful of individuals that would have become hellbent on vengeance won't be added to the ranks they've already created.

Israel has done an awesome job making many in the world hate them for their appalling policies and have fomented total loathing and seething hatred amongst the Palestinian population in the area that will haunt them for a couple generations at least, so that's cool, I guess.

I think any country would want to exact revenge and show their power to discourage future attacks. It's basically mandatory; however, Israel has done this poorly. They have attacked civilians (which is weird, because isn't that one of the main problems we have with the October 7 attacks...the indiscriminate murder and terrorization of innocents?) instead of the perpetrators.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

You still haven’t answered the question of why Israel attracts far, far more international condemnation than those other powers. Any ideas? Or is it just one of those mysteries that isn’t worth thinking about?

I mean, no one asked me, but sure. They are a modern nation, one of the few with nuclear weapons. They have massive means, and access to the best military weaponry available via the US. They have strong support globally(despite being "condemned" by many nations, they still have their support).


They have also been victim to a horrible genocide, know the damage it can do to a people, what it means to have freedoms controlled by another nation or people, and as such, should ####ing know better, dammit.



They have spent decades acting like an aggressor, and I don't think it's a stretch to suggest the bear some responsibility for being attacked due to their own policies, actions and words.


And since it apparently needs to be said in every post critical of Israel, #### Hamas.