[GT] US election - It's 2020, what could possibly go wrong?

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Matata

I, for one, welcome our new big tech overlords.

“First they added disclaimers about disinformation coming from the President, but it wasn’t long before they came for ME.”

[Senator Clay Davis]

Originally Posted by devo22

yeah it might not matter in the end, but better to run up the score. You know there'll be recounts and legal BS on Trumps behalf, so better to have numbers here.

Yeah the more the merrier for sure, but you also don't want to be alleging anything nefarious is happening in Arizona, because it obviously emboldens any claims Trump makes about fraud. Truth be told though the GOP strategy for stealing this thru the courts really was about having to steal one state (PA). That they now have to steal at least three states makes it far less likely to succeed. The fact the Murdoch rags and FOX News have started to push for Trump to "maintain his legacy" by losing with dignity tells you where this is going now. Even they can't find a path with cheating.

[Matata]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

“First they added disclaimers about disinformation coming from the President, but it wasn’t long before they came for ME.”

It must be comforting knowing they'll always agree with your personal politics. Good thing the president owes them and they're going to get ever piece of legislation they need to become insurmountable in controlling the flow of information during this tenuous period where we're defining their role and influence on culture.

Cant imagine how this could become a bad thing in the long term

[GGG]

Originally Posted by New Era

And what was my point? There were inconsistencies in the data that were alarming and we should be watching this closely. It gave the appearance of the books being cooked and interference. Questions needed to be asked. I was not the only one who saw it and believed it needed to be addressed. The AZ SoS did the right thing and explained the process the state is following, which is exactly what I and others were looking for. You have to admit that it looks pretty bad when candidate X needs to achieve a ballot grab of Y percent, and each time they dip below that trend a new number of ballots is put into the count? That was a very bad pattern that raised some eyebrows.

Every step of the process is being observed by democrats and republicans. So if no poll watchers has reported any irregularities then the default assumption should be the system is working.

I agree the SOS did the correct thing by addressing people’s false assumptions with limited information to try to improve trust in the elections

I think speculation of fraud using data that is incomplete is dangerous and lowers people’s trust in the system.

[TorqueDog]

Originally Posted by Matata

It must be comforting knowing they'll always agree with your personal politics.

That’s the advantage of having your personal politics based on observable reality and not the nonsensical rantings of an orange narcissist.

[Matata]

Originally Posted by TorqueDog

That’s the advantage of having your personal politics based on observable reality and not the nonsensical rantings of an orange narcissist.

Twitter doesn't give a f*** about protecting anyone from anything, they just see an opportunity to spin public hatred of trump into gaining more power over the control of information. Jack Dorsey isn't Jesus, he's just another a****** billionaire with an endless lust for money and power

[Senator Clay Davis]

Originally Posted by Matata

It must be comforting knowing they'll always agree with your personal politics. Good thing the president owes them and they're going to get ever piece of legislation they need to become insurmountable in controlling the flow of information during this tenuous period where we're defining their role and influence on culture.

Cant imagine how this could become a bad thing in the long term

Conservatives and Twitter is like the ultimate abusive relationship. Conservatives keep threatening to go to Gab or Parler or whatever other fourth rate Twitter competitor is out there because Twitter is treating them like crap. But until they are perma-banned from Twitter like Milo and Laura Looomer (who, it kinda slipped through the cracks in the news, got her ass kicked in her election bid), they always come crawling back to Twitter because it's where 99% of the social media population is and is a significantly better platform from an interface and ease of use perspective. It's mostly kinda sad.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by devo22

yeah it might not matter in the end, but better to run up the score. You know there'll be recounts and legal BS on Trumps behalf, so better to have numbers here.

They count all the votes anyway. Prolonging this just gives more of a platform for Trump and his people to decry the results and claim fraud. It’s bad enough that the media gets to make this decision, but letting them push it out for days longer is just ridiculous. It serves to call things into question and makes things seem close so that the job for Biden becomes more difficult.

Originally Posted by Matata

Twitter doesn't give a f*** about protecting anyone from anything, they just see an opportunity to spin public hatred of trump into gaining more power over the control of information. Jack Dorsey isn't Jesus, he's just another a****** billionaire with an endless lust for money and power

Your description sounds an awful lot like a certain orange coloured person.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Matata

Twitter doesn't give a f*** about protecting anyone from anything, they just see an opportunity to spin public hatred of trump into gaining more power over the control of information. Jack Dorsey isn't Jesus, he's just another a****** billionaire with an endless lust for money and power

Twitter also has rules. You might want to readjust the tinfoil hat, I think it’s blocking too many frequencies.

And don’t pretend you care about censorship. You’re like a month removed from cheering on the censorship and cancelling of entire platform over a movie you hadn’t even seen. A movie. Not disinformation coming from authority figures. A movie.

I don’t think censoring art and being in favour of the free spread of government propaganda meant to question and devalue democracy is historically a great side to be on, but enjoy!

[devo22]

Originally Posted by Slava

They count all the votes anyway. Prolonging this just gives more of a platform for Trump and his people to decry the results and claim fraud. It’s bad enough that the media gets to make this decision, but letting them push it out for days longer is just ridiculous. It serves to call things into question and makes things seem close so that the job for Biden becomes more difficult.

these people will cry "fraud!" anyway, no mattwr when you call those states. Calling them early might rather fuel those narratives than calm the situation, so might as well wait ubtil it's beyond any doubt. The next PA batch ought to do it.

[#-3]

Originally Posted by GGG

The democrats have poll watchers in the Arizona counting facilities.

You are making my point.

The democrats aren’t launching lawsuits about potential fraud in Arizona because there is no widespread evidence of fraud in Arizona.

Is there wide spread evidence of voter fraud anywhere? (aside from tapes of Trumps campaign rallies where he attempted to engage in a conspiracy to commit voter fraud but accidently did it in public and forgot that nobody actually takes him seriously).

I don't know this for a fact, but I am wondering if the extra votes coming through in Georgia are provisional ballots being accepted, I seem to remember two days ago the remaining vote tally suddenly dropping like 17K, and someone said it was provisional ballots set aside.

In Penn, I don't see how anyone could think the Democrats are cheating, the Republicans are basically out preforming every model on the mail in vote. It was originally expected that Biden had won the state by 100,000 - 200,000 votes. In the end its going to end up in the 50,000 - 70,000 range the way things have been going.

Arizona looks like a virtual tie if things stay the same, but mail in ballots are very unpredictable, especially in a state where 80% of the population lives in 1 place and you can't really get demographic data on the remaining tronches of votes. But at the end of the day it doesn't really matter this time.

For the Georgia senate races my instincts tell me we are probably looking at a 3/4 chance for the Republicans, simply bias towards historical trends, but there are things the Democrats have going for them to consider. The Democrats basically won the last two state wide elections, the governs race a couple years ago was literally won by the republicans on the back of voter fraud, intimidation and poll taxes. Biden won this race, and the democratic base in engaged in a way it hadn't been for generations right now which will help with off cycle votes. I still don't think they should be favored, but it doesn't seem likes something that should be dismissed out of hand.

Where the hell do we get the idea that Joe Biden is unqualified for this job? One poster mentioned he might be in the top 3 of the last five presidents, that's ridiculous he's already the second best of the last five without even sitting down (Sexual Assault / Impeachment --- Iraq / War Crimes --- Impeachment / Lies / Fraud / Covid19). He was a successful vice president for 8 years, a senator for longer, as one small example of presidential capacity he's brought labour unions and environmental activists together to sign onto the same plans. He may not get anything done, because 1/2 of Americans ostensibly support a policy of destroying their own governing institutions, but he's already top 2. I think I've said it hear before people are engaging themselves in the No True Scotsman fallacy, if anyone one else on earth were picked they would be saying the same thing and moving the goal post to a new problem, it's just arguing in bad faith.

[TorqueDog]

Originally Posted by Matata

Twitter doesn't give a f*** about protecting anyone from anything, they just see an opportunity to spin public hatred of trump into gaining more power over the control of information. Jack Dorsey isn't Jesus, he's just another a****** billionaire with an endless lust for money and power

...

Originally Posted by Matata

I have no love for trump but ...

Maybe it has something to do with, as I said in my earlier reply to you, the fact that Trump lies as he breathes which is to say constantly and largely without any conscious effort. Here’s an idea: if you don’t want fact checkers to point out that you are spreading misinformation, don’t spread misinformation.

If you want to read his “pulled out of his arse” conspiracy theories, you can always throw caution to the wind and click the ‘View’ button beside the warning. It’s like a pack of cigarettes, the warning doesn’t stop you doing it, but you can’t say you weren’t warned as to its contents.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by devo22

these people will cry "fraud!" anyway, no mattwr when you call those states. Calling them early might rather fuel those narratives than calm the situation, so might as well wait ubtil it's beyond any doubt. The next PA batch ought to do it.

I feel like we’ve been hearing that the next PA batch will do it for the past 6 weeks!

I’m not watching anymore, so I guess it doesn’t matter to me. But the entire point of a projection is that it’s done in advance. It’s not about statistical certainty.

[devo22]

well, that's that then.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1325099845045071873

[ernie]

I know a couple of people who have worked elections and they both say it’s virtually impossible to screw with ballots and propagate even the most minor fraud. Major fraud is impossible. It’s why there are very few instances of voter fraud.

What Trump and his ilk call fraud is simply a lack of knowledge of the voting laws in the various states.

[calumniate]

Press conference at 'four seasons total landscaping'. Haha.. Hopefully they have enough spades
https://twitter.com/thehowie/status/...901499393?s=19

[keenan87]

Originally Posted by devo22

well, that's that then.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1325099845045071873

Wow, this is just so bizarre. You would only see this kind of behaviour in movies or cartoons.. can't believe this os reality and has been for several years.

[Matata]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Twitter also has rules. You might want to readjust the tinfoil hat, I think it’s blocking too many frequencies.

And don’t pretend you care about censorship. You’re like a month removed from cheering on the censorship and cancelling of entire platform over a movie you hadn’t even seen. A movie. Not disinformation coming from authority figures. A movie.

I don’t think censoring art and being in favour of the free spread of government propaganda meant to question and devalue democracy is historically a great side to be on, but enjoy!

When did I call for them to be censored? I said I thought it was gross and I didn't want to give them my money anymore and I thought it was worth discussing, I never told anyone to do anything.

But I totally see how that's like Big Tech setting themselves up to make big leaps forward in the control of information, good point.

[chedder]

Originally Posted by devo22

well, that's that then.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1325099845045071873

On that note.

[TorqueDog]

Originally Posted by Matata

But I totally see how that's like Big Tech setting themselves up to make big leaps forward in the control of information, good point.

So just to be clear, an elected official — one who presently holds the highest office in one of the most powerful nations on Earth — blatantly lying to the public is totally cool with you, but the moment a tech company says “hey that’s kinda misleading, we should warn people”, that’s where you get a wild hair up your ass about controlling information?