2016 NHL Draft

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by cowtown75

Logan Brown is viewed as a VERY good centerman prospect behind Matthews. And if we didn't have Monahan, Bennett, Backlund- I would love a 6'6 gifted offensive Center who can actually skate and score and throw the body around. That being said, I think this is what Columbus desires and we are dealing with a 3 to 6 spot. The price ? I'm not sure as theoretically, anything can happen with prospects. 6th pick might of been better than 3rd a year later etc and both teams have different values on different players organization wise.

People have JP as a lock to be a franchise player at 3- I'm skeptical penciling guys in that way. For all we know, Logan Brown may be the next Thornton but bigger ( and he is still growing). It's hard to compare because there isn't many 6'6 skilled centers in the NHL like Logan is to compare to.

Personally to move up, I would give a 2nd and one of Klimchuk/ Poirier and that's about all. Both teams get their man and Columbus gets a valued 2nd pick and a prospect.

That's highly, highly doubtful. Their junior careers are in no way even remotely comparable. It's like saying Jost could be the next Crosby for all we know.

[Samonadreau]

Ya, you see comparisons on Brown to Thornton (people that are high on him) and to Colborne (people not so much). Reality is its probably somewhere in between.

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by cowtown75

Logan Brown is viewed as a VERY good centerman prospect behind Matthews. And if we didn't have Monahan, Bennett, Backlund- I would love a 6'6 gifted offensive Center who can actually skate and score and throw the body around.

That's not the scouting report on Brown though.

[1qqaaz]

Originally Posted by Samonadreau

Ya, you see comparisons on Brown to Thornton (people that are high on him) and to Colborne (people not so much). Reality is its probably somewhere in between.

In terms of peak production, Brown is probably a lot closer to Colborne (44 points) than Thornton (114 points). Still, anything between those is quite good.

[cowtown75]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

In terms of peak production, Brown is probably a lot closer to Colborne (44 points) than Thornton (114 points). Still, anything between those is quite good.

And you know this how ? Colborne is in his 3rd season is 26 and you are comparing to Jumbo Joe's best season ever ? seems like an unfair comparison a bit. People can be late bloomers.

I'm not saying Brown is the next Thornton, but it's a bit crazy to already compare him to Colborne when they got nothing in common except height at this point.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logan_Brown

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Thornton

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Colborne

[cowtown75]

Originally Posted by GoJetsGo

That's not the scouting report on Brown though.

My apologies, here is the actual scouting report. He is not afraid to use his size I guess I should of said and he uses it very effectively.

http://lastwordonsports.com/2016/04/...-nhl-draft-14/

[Samonadreau]

Originally Posted by cowtown75

And you know this how ? Colborne is in his 3rd season is 26 and you are comparing to Jumbo Joe's best season ever ? seems like an unfair comparison a bit. People can be late bloomers.

I'm not saying Brown is the next Thornton, but it's a bit crazy to already compare him to Colborne when they got nothing in common except height at this point.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logan_Brown

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Thornton

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Colborne

One could argue its just as crazy (or even crazier) to compare him to Thornton.

Draft year
Brown - 1.25 ppg (x overall)
Colborne - 1.64 ppg*AJHL (16th overall)
Thornton - 2.07 ppg (1st overall)

Not even close to Thornton.

[1qqaaz]

Originally Posted by cowtown75

And you know this how ? Colborne is in his 3rd season is 26 and you are comparing to Jumbo Joe's best season ever ? seems like an unfair comparison a bit. People can be late bloomers.

I'm not saying Brown is the next Thornton, but it's a bit crazy to already compare him to Colborne when they got nothing in common except height at this point.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logan_Brown

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Thornton

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Colborne

Of course. I thought that Colborne's possible future peak was obvious enough for me not to mention. I like Colborne, and there's a good chance he reaches peak in the future, especially since he didn't play 80+ games this season.

How do I know that Brown's offensive peak will be closer to Colborne's level? Really?

Let say Colborne reaches 50 points next year.
Or maybe Colborne surprises us and peaks at 60 points
Lets say Brown is an absolute steal and gets between 60-80 points.
Thornton got 114.

As long as Brown gets between about 0-85 points, he's going to be closer to Colborne than Thornton in terms of production. Though all of this is nonsense, since they're all going to peak in different NHL eras (10 years apart).

So Brown is likely to be closer to Colborne in peak production, but closer to Thornton in style. Thornton blows them both out of the water in terms of prospect quality. But they're all valuable.

[Incogneto]

The #6 pick has been talked about through and through....Lets talk about prospects in the 2nd round?

We have pick #35, #54, and #56. Who are you looking at there?

Personally, I would love the Flames go with a forward (Nylander) at #6, then a D-man like Clague hopefully will drop to #35. Follow that up with guys like Logan Stanley (SIZE!) and the kid from UHL, William Knierim, in the late 2nd rounder.

Who do you guys hope we get in the 2nd round (and why)?

[Monahan For Mayor]

I want Nathan Bastian with #35 if he's still there. 6'4 220+, good skater for his size, RW or Centre, Great Playmaking, drives the net, plays physical. Checks all the boxes. Not sure he makes it out of the first round despite the mock drafts.

[shutout]

#35 - Henrick Borgstrom / Cliff Pu
#53 - Alex DeBrincat / Vitali Abramov
#55 - Sam Steel / Nathan Bastian
#65 - Tim Gettinger / Jordan Stallard

I would be happy if we could walk away with 3 of these 8.

[Five-hole]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

Of course. I thought that Colborne's possible future peak was obvious enough for me not to mention. I like Colborne, and there's a good chance he reaches peak in the future, especially since he didn't play 80+ games this season.



How do I know that Brown's offensive peak will be closer to Colborne's level? Really?



Let say Colborne reaches 50 points next year.

Or maybe Colborne surprises us and peaks at 60 points

Lets say Brown is an absolute steal and gets between 60-80 points.

Thornton got 114.



As long as Brown gets between about 0-85 points, he's going to be closer to Colborne than Thornton in terms of production. Though all of this is nonsense, since they're all going to peak in different NHL eras (10 years apart).



So Brown is likely to be closer to Colborne in peak production, but closer to Thornton in style. Thornton blows them both out of the water in terms of prospect quality. But they're all valuable.

Has anyone actually suggested Logan Brown will be Joe Thornton? I've seen a lot of stylistic comparisons but I haven't seen anyone suggesting that Brown is going to put up 100 point seasons.

[Fighting Banana Slug]

Originally Posted by Five-hole

Has anyone actually suggested Logan Brown will be Joe Thornton? I've seen a lot of stylistic comparisons but I haven't seen anyone suggesting that Brown is going to put up 100 point seasons.

I certainly hope not. If so, he should be there with Matthews at #1. I think there is a good chance he goes top 10, not so sure about top 6, but I wouldn't freak out if he was a Flame at 6.

[shutout]

#35 - Henrick Borgstrom / Cliff Pu
Have skills, high IQ and play with an up tempo aggressive game

#53 - Alex DeBrincat / Vitali Abramov
Smaller players but have excellent skill, speed, IQ - home run potential

#55 - Sam Steel / Nathan Bastian
Skills and high hockey IQ - struggled at times but good third line potential

#65 - Tim Gettinger / Jordan Stallard
Big players that have skill that can be refined and are just starting to utilize their size

Forgot to give the why I like before

[AC]

The final ISS list has DeBrincat going late in the first. Not looking great for him lasting to #53.

Would you still take him at #35 though?

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by AC

The final ISS list has DeBrincat going late in the first. Not looking great for him lasting to #53.

Would you still take him at #35 though?

Why not? Still two other picks left in the 2nd round to use on other players. I fear the team may want to put a cap on smaller players but I feel if your scouts feel he's BPA at that spot and has NHL potential you still have to draft him to accumulate assets and when the time comes that he's NHL ready and in the event you don't feel you have room on the roster for another small top 6 forward you have options to trade him for an asset that fits what your current roster needs.

[Money Baer]

I personally hope we land Juolevi if Tkatchuk or Dubois have already been taken. He's an intelligent, smooth skating defender with offensive upside. Reminds me of Brodie.

After 6, I would love to see us look at guys like Adam Fox and Libor Hajek with our early 2nd rounders. I also really like Brett Howden, but I think he'll be gone around the 25-33 range.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Money Baer

I personally hope we land Juolevi if Tkatchuk or Dubois have already been taken. He's an intelligent, smooth skating defender with offensive upside. Reminds me of Brodie.

Rasmus Andersson - He's an intelligent, smooth skating defender with offensive upside. Reminds me of Brodie.

Oliver Kylington - He's an intelligent, smooth skating defender with offensive upside. Reminds me of Brodie.

Brandon Hickey - He's an intelligent, smooth skating defender with offensive upside. Reminds me of Brodie.

I think there is too much a good thing. We have other holes to worry about.

[cofias]

Originally Posted by New Era

Rasmus Andersson - He's an intelligent, smooth skating defender with offensive upside. Reminds me of Brodie.

Oliver Kylington - He's an intelligent, smooth skating defender with offensive upside. Reminds me of Brodie.

Brandon Hickey - He's an intelligent, smooth skating defender with offensive upside. Reminds me of Brodie.

I think there is too much a good thing. We have other holes to worry about.

The thing is that we have a GM that actually knows how to pull off a good trade. Players like Brodie are extremely valuable in the modern NHL. We don't need to address our direct needs with a 6th overall pick, and in fact we should not be trying to do that either.

If we had a GM like Dim Jim or someone else who keeps getting ripped off, your argument would have more weight. Instead it seems to be us coming out on top of trades lately.

[Money Baer]

Originally Posted by New Era

Rasmus Andersson - He's an intelligent, smooth skating defender with offensive upside. Reminds me of Brodie.

Oliver Kylington - He's an intelligent, smooth skating defender with offensive upside. Reminds me of Brodie.

Brandon Hickey - He's an intelligent, smooth skating defender with offensive upside. Reminds me of Brodie.

I think there is too much a good thing. We have other holes to worry about.

I'm very high on both Andersson and Kylington, but I do believe Juolevi has a higher ceiling and higher floor than both.

In terms of hockey IQ and decision making, I think Juolevi is better than both too. Either way, I don't think having to many high quality defensive prospects is EVER a bad thing.

With all that said, Treliving and our scouting department will select the right choice.