2016 NHL Draft

[Gaskal]

Originally Posted by Five-hole

I'd love to know how those interviews with guys who will clearly be gone before the interviewing teams pick go.

"Hi, Auston."

"Uh, hey. What do you want to know?"

"Oh, you know. Hockey stuff, I guess."

Well, it certainly never hurts to have an already previous relationship established if the opportunity ever came up for a trade. Even if it's just 20 min of just having a regular conversation rather than asking the canned stuff. The same thing happened last year with McDavid.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by Five-hole

I'd love to know how those interviews with guys who will clearly be gone before the interviewing teams pick go.

It was just Burke ranting for a half hour about dealing with the Toronto media.

[saillias]

Originally Posted by Five-hole

But that's exactly my point. It IS business as usual. Every rebuilding team builds for the future and expects short-term failure, moderate success in the medium term, and long term success. The Oilers have been expecting short term success pretty much since they drafted RNH, if not Hall. Every year people are predicting playoffs -- running without ever walking.

And their draft and offseason decisions are 99% focused around fixing short term problems. They have no D prospects whatsoever, let alone those with top-pairing potential. And they never draft them because they're too far away to help, or not the sexy pick.

The Oilers need to take their medicine and understand that they need to draft for the long term, not to get a guy who can play on McDavid's wing in September.

But they won't.

If Tkachuk is BPA it's the right choice. Trading down or trading away the pick is easier said than done. Who is offering a top pairing D for one?

[Chonger]

Originally Posted by flamezilla

this snippet about gauthier:

A 6'4" goal-poaching bull-dozer is exactly what i'd like to have on johnny-mony's rw.

A bit of tactical trading-down & a selection of gauthier would be my ideal draft should the finns, dubois & tkachuk be unavailable.

sold!

[sureLoss]

Puljujarvi shows he is intelligent enough to avoid the Oilers drafting him

Damien Cox @DamoSpin
Here's a draft wrinkle; Jesse Puljujarvi says he had left knee surgery after Grand Forks. Restricted to upper body tests at NHL combine.

[Par]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Puljujarvi shows he is intelligent enough to avoid the Oilers drafting him

Damien Cox @DamoSpin
Here's a draft wrinkle; Jesse Puljujarvi says he had left knee surgery after Grand Forks. Restricted to upper body tests at NHL combine.

Would this not push him down a spot?

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by AC

Haha, glad you remembered that.

Which poster was it that didn't get what I had done and thought that's actually what Bjorklund looked like again?

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

That would be jayswin.

That moment when a poster brings up a hilariously embarrassing instance and asks if anyone remembers who it was, as you sit behind your computer going "Oh man, I hope someone remembers and links it, I wanna see this idiot!!!".

[TornBetween2Pucks]

Friedman, who is very connected, is throwing out broad hints that Tkachuk may go #3. Still can't see it myself but it is a possibility.

Also, my bold prediction(s) for the draft - Flames trade the #6 pick in some sort of deal that gets them Ben Bishop. Tampa Bay re-signs Stamkos and anoints Vasilevsky as the #1. Makes a ton of sense for TB because something has got to give and the logical guy to go is Bishop.

[Ashasx]

I hope we don't trade anything even close to the value of the 6th overall pick for a goaltender who will be a UFA in 1 year.

[TornBetween2Pucks]

Bishop would have to approve the trade meaning that there would almost certainly be a trade and sign element to the deal. I didn't say it would be a one on one deal but a legitimate #1 goalie with a lot of good years ahead is more valuable to us than a player we're hoping develops into a top-line talent.

[Poe969]

I think if the Flames are going to target a goalie, it'll be a younger goalie on a more affordable contract.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by TornBetween2Pucks

Bishop would have to approve the trade meaning that there would almost certainly be a trade and sign element to the deal. I didn't say it would be a one on one deal but a legitimate #1 goalie with a lot of good years ahead is more valuable to us than a player we're hoping develops into a top-line talent.

He's still going to be 30 soon after the start of the upcoming season.

I'd rather have a cost-controlled skater under control for the next 10 years than a goalie of that caliber. Not close really.

If that's truly the cost of goaltending, Treliving should just wait a year and pick up a goalie for peanuts before the expansion draft (which should already be hampering current goaltender values).

[VladtheImpaler]

Duhatchek was going on about 6th for Bishop on the FAN this morning too. Just damn ridiculous - there is no f***ing market for goalies. If you don't trade him to us or the Leafs, you are keeping him. So, you want to get rid of your $7M starter to play the younger cheaper guy and re-sign all your stars? Here is our 3rd rounder, and a shiny Wideman! Oh, don't like that? Let's see what the Pens will do for us to take MAF off their hands. Or maybe the Wings would like to give us some Tatar sauce to take Howard in exchange for Wideman. It's like these media types have not heard of supply & demand or negotiating. It really GMG. Sorry - wrong thread I guess.
Oh, and I still want to trade down 3 or 4 spots.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by VladtheImpaler

Duhatchek was going on about 6th for Bishop on the FAN this morning too. Just damn ridiculous - there is no f***ing market for goalies. If you don't trade him to us or the Leafs, you are keeping him. So, you want to get rid of your $7M starter to play the youneger cheaper guy and re-sign all your stars? Here is our 3rd rounder, and a shiny Wideman! Oh, don't like that? Let's see what the Pens will do for us to take MAF off their hands. Or maybe the Wings would like to give us some Tatar sauce to take Howard in exchange for Wideman. It's like these media types have not heard of supply & demand or negotiating. It really GMG. Sorry - wrong thread I guess.
Oh, and I still want to trade down 3 or 4 spots.

He's no different than Friedman in that they are getting interviewed daily by numerous outlets and have to have something to say so they throw darts. Friedman has got pretty good about telling you up front it's based on his own conjecture but a lot of people on the internet take that stuff and run with it like it's a legit rumour.

[TornBetween2Pucks]

Originally Posted by VladtheImpaler

Duhatchek was going on about 6th for Bishop on the FAN this morning too. Just damn ridiculous - there is no f***ing market for goalies. If you don't trade him to us or the Leafs, you are keeping him. So, you want to get rid of your $7M starter to play the youneger cheaper guy and re-sign all your stars? Here is our 3rd rounder, and a shiny Wideman! Oh, don't like that? Let's see what the Pens will do for us to take MAF off their hands. Or maybe the Wings would like to give us some Tatar sauce to take Howard in exchange for Wideman. It's like these media types have not heard of supply & demand or negotiating. It really GMG. Sorry - wrong thread I guess.
Oh, and I still want to trade down 3 or 4 spots.

I never said it would be a one on one deal. Bishop is a top-ten goalie and probably will be for at least another 4-5 years. The Flames have a window opening and better start thinking that way. To wait until next summer when the market is 'soft' is ridiculous. You've just told your fans and team that you're going to write off another year. MAF and Howard (if you actually check out stats) are average goalies at best and make no sense. Elite goaltending for 4-5 years makes a lot of sense. Doug Wilson, after trying to get somewhere with average goaltending overpaid a bit (in the eyes of the 'experts') to get Jones. There is a huge, huge gap between .905 and .920 goaltending.

Compare that with what you're getting in the draft - Juolevi, Nylander, Sergachev, Chychrun, Jost, etc are potentially nice young pieces. Not one of them projects as a game-changing star. A judicious signing or two, internal development, and astute drafting can easily solve your top-six woes. Unless you think James Reimer is the answer you're not getting a good goalie for nothing.

To reiterate - I didn't suggest trading the pick straight-up for Bishop. TB is in cap-hell and Treliving holds the hammer. There is a deal to be made that greatly benefits the Flames.

[Poe969]

Sure, Tampa is in cap hell but getting a goalie for 6 mil for only one year who's likely going to want even more on an extension isn't going to help the Flames cap situation out. The way to build a winning team is to get the most out of ELC's and one of, if not the most important position is goalie. Look at the Stanley Cup Final, Pens and Sharks have goalies that are or have stolen games for them and those goalies are on their ELC. That's what the Flames need to do, get a good young goalie who can grow with the team, not an older more expensive goalie. If they're going for a vet goalie, I'd wait till July and get a UFA like Reimer or ward or a less expensive goalie who won't cost as much to acquire.

Trading down is an option but not the best option. This team needs top end talent up front and they don't really have much of that. If anything they should look at trading up and getting a star to help the team on an ELC.

[VladtheImpaler]

Originally Posted by TornBetween2Pucks

I never said it would be a one on one deal. Bishop is a top-ten goalie and probably will be for at least another 4-5 years. The Flames have a window opening and better start thinking that way. To wait until next summer when the market is 'soft' is ridiculous. You've just told your fans and team that you're going to write off another year. MAF and Howard (if you actually check out stats) are average goalies at best and make no sense. Elite goaltending for 4-5 years makes a lot of sense. Doug Wilson, after trying to get somewhere with average goaltending overpaid a bit (in the eyes of the 'experts') to get Jones. There is a huge, huge gap between .905 and .920 goaltending.

Compare that with what you're getting in the draft - Juolevi, Nylander, Sergachev, Chychrun, Jost, etc are potentially nice young pieces. Not one of them projects as a game-changing star. A judicious signing or two, internal development, and astute drafting can easily solve your top-six woes. Unless you think James Reimer is the answer you're not getting a good goalie for nothing.

To reiterate - I didn't suggest trading the pick straight-up for Bishop. TB is in cap-hell and Treliving holds the hammer. There is a deal to be made that greatly benefits the Flames.

Yes, there is and it doesn't involve the 6th overall. Yes, I know MAF and Howard are not as good as Bishop - I just brought them up as examples - there are 10-12 other options out there of varying attractiveness. Yeah, I guess if you decide it's Bishop or bust, you will have to pay, as you are refusing to take advantage of market conditions. Personally, I think it would be horrible to involve a high 1st in this trade...

[Vinny01]

Bishop for 6 is a disasterous trade for Calgary. In order for the Flames to keep Bishop beyond next season they will need to sign him to a 6-8 year deal at $7-$8.5M per. When that contract expires Bishop is late 30's and Gillies is late 20's.

A goalie like Fleury is ideal the Flames need a 2-3 year guy before Gillies is ready to take over.

After trading last years first we should hold onto this years

[CliffFletcher]

I'm not about to advocate a 6th for Bishop deal. But I think people are overstating the problem the Lighting and the Pens find themselves in. If they don't think they can get a good deal and full value for MAF or Bishop, then they'll just keep them. Both are teams that have every reason to expect they'll be a contender next season, and I doubt they want to put themselves in a position of being one injury away from flushing a season at the top of the cycle down the drain. No doubt they'll explore options for their veteran goalies, but they'll hold on to them rather than give them away.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

I'm not about to advocate a 6th for Bishop deal. But I think people are overstating the problem the Lighting and the Pens find themselves in. If they don't think they can get a good deal and full value for MAF or Bishop, then they'll just keep them. Both are teams that have every reason to expect they'll be a contender next season, and I doubt they want to put themselves in a position of being one injury away from flushing a season at the top of the cycle down the drain. No doubt they'll explore options for their veteran goalies, but they'll hold on to them rather than give them away.

That's fine, but they are in no position to play chicken, and the Flames are in no position to rush out and overpay for a goaltender.

If the Pens and Lightning don't trade their goalies, they must handle their cap hit and also realize the risk of losing them in the expansion draft.

There will be goalies available, soon and cheap. The Flames don't have to rush out and pay anymore than a couple mid draft picks for them.

If the cost is more than that, go with a UFA for a year or two and wait for Gillies.

There are so many options and so many teams that will have to make a move soon. The Flames should wait and pounce when the right opportunity arises.