2024 Off-season trade rumours and speculation thread

[Hackey]

Teams loading up for the playoffs almost never trade roster players so it's not surprising the returns were picks and prospects. UFAs likely wouldn't return any worthwhile retool tyoe players anyways.

[DoubleK]

Originally Posted by jayswin

I would easily and happily add to Markstrom for that 10th overall.

That comment was directed at Boston.

Marky at 50% retained isn't getting the NJD first.

[icarus]

Originally Posted by Poe969

No, they refuse to increase their odds of winning the lottery

I wonder what their odds would have been if they didn't trade away Zadorov, Lindholm, Hanifin and Tanev mid-season. Possibly lower?

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by icarus

I wonder what their odds would have been if they didn't trade away Zadorov, Lindholm, Hanifin and Tanev mid-season. Possibly lower?

They would be picking 10th and have the same returns they got for Gaudreau, Brodie, Hamonic, Gio.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Hackey

They would be picking 10th and have the same returns they got for Gaudreau, Brodie, Hamonic, Gio.

So keeping their best center, their entire tip pairing, and a #5 dman would have given them one more point (they were tied with Jersey who is drafting 10th)?

I'll take the over on that!

Guessing 14th or 15th overall, and Icarus' point stands.

[Aarongavey]

https://www.tsn.ca/nhl/new-jersey-de...sted-1.2131045

Those conversations with the Flames have taken up again. We know that those two teams almost had a deal done before the trade deadline earlier this season before March 8. It fell apart, but the Devils remain interested in Jacob Markstrom and as importantly, Jacob Markstrom has a full no-move, but my understanding is he's willing to go to New Jersey," LeBrun said Wednesday on SC with Jay Onrait.
"There are other teams now that weren't there on Markstrom before the trade deadline that have now entered the picture. The Flames are getting calls from multiple teams on Markstrom, not just from the Devils... At this point in time, there's still a difference of opinion on the return, on what it should cost the Devils to get Jacob Markstrom out of Calgary and the Flames are willing to be patient in terms of having a team meet their price."

Good for Conroy. I think everyone knew that you could do a deal at the deadline for the right price but that there would be way more suitors over the summer. One of these teams needs to step up and meet the price and get a good goalie.

Me thinks it will be a tad more than a 2nd round pick like some folks think.

[Toonage]

Cup final stress aside, this should be a fun next few weeks!

[Roof-Daddy]

Hopefully Conroy comes out of whatever Markstrom trade that happens looking like a patient genius.

[albertGQ]

Great to hear there are more teams in on Marky

Hopefully we can add a bit, fully retain and get that 10th overall pick

[GioforPM]

It always made sense that there’d be more teams looking for a goalie now than at the deadline. I can think of three teams at least whose goalies let them down, or at least were not helping them win.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Bingo

So keeping their best center, their entire tip pairing, and a #5 dman would have given them one more point (they were tied with Jersey who is drafting 10th)?

I'll take the over on that!

Guessing 14th or 15th overall, and Icarus' point stands.

You just don't get it do you?

You see, if its not the worst/negative possible scenario, it cannot happen for the Flames.


I can't imagine being a "fan" of a team and seeing absolutely everything through the worst lens possible.

[Toonage]

^ Just read the above then hopped over to Awful Announcing where I saw a headline for Ozzie Guillen discussing White Sox fans.

"Some people pay to get hurt."

Relatable.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by DoubleK

That comment was directed at Boston.

Marky at 50% retained isn't getting the NJD first.

It absolutely is worth a 1st.

Markstrom alone is probably worth a 3rd and a meh prospect.

When you add in eating 6 million of actual money over 2 years, that 3rd becomes a 1st.

History tells us 6 million plus cap dump gets you a 1st. See Marleau and Monny. That was 1 season. We are doing 2 here, which could impact our ability in year 2 with 3 million in dead cap space to do other things.

I actually think New Jersey would have to add a little something more to get it over the line, probably Holtz.

If Fitzgerald wants to throw a tantrum again he can run with Jake Allen and trade for Jack Campbell.

Also just to add to this, New Jersey got a 4th for retaining 25% on Tanev for 15 games. We are talking 2 years of retention here. Starting to think Fitzgerald has no clue what he is doing when it comes to paying up for retention. Maybe he should ask his owner if he wants to pay 6 million for a player on his team to play for someone else for a couple of 3rd rounders.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

It absolutely is worth a 1st.

Markstrom alone is probably worth a 3rd and a meh prospect.

When you add in eating 6 million of actual money over 2 years, that 3rd becomes a 1st.

History tells us 6 million plus cap dump gets you a 1st. See Marleau and Monny. That was 1 season. We are doing 2 here, which could impact our ability in year 2 with 3 million in dead cap space to do other things.

I actually think New Jersey would have to add a little something more to get it over the line, probably Holtz.

If Fitzgerald wants to throw a tantrum again he can run with Jake Allen and trade for Jack Campbell.

Also just to add to this, New Jersey got a 4th for retaining 25% on Tanev for 15 games. We are talking 2 years of retention here. Starting to think Fitzgerald has no clue what he is doing when it comes to paying up for retention. Maybe he should ask his owner if he wants to pay 6 million for a player on his team to play for someone else for a couple of 3rd rounders.

I think you're downplaying Markstrom's true value too.

Goaltending is hard to find right now, which makes it a premium asset. You have a market with lots of contenders looking for a goalie (Colorado, Toronto, Los Angeles etc) and teams looking to take a step potentially looking for a goalie (Detroit, Ottawa, New Jersey, etc)

So it's a sellers market, and my guess is a late first would not be off the table for a goalie like Markstrom right now even without retention (maybe a contract coming back the other way but not retention).

50% retention pushes that late 1st into a top 10 pick though if that's what jersey wants.

2025 1st only .... you're probably not getting 50% retention and would have to add.

2024 10th OV... you can probably value that as a straight up 1:1 deal as long as 50% retention is involved on the Flames end.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

I think you're downplaying Markstrom's true value too.

Goaltending is hard to find right now, which makes it a premium asset. You have a market with lots of contenders looking for a goalie (Colorado, Toronto, Los Angeles etc) and teams looking to take a step potentially looking for a goalie (Detroit, Ottawa, New Jersey, etc)

So it's a sellers market, and my guess is a late first would not be off the table for a goalie like Markstrom right now even without retention (maybe a contract coming back the other way but not retention).

50% retention pushes that late 1st into a top 10 pick though if that's what jersey wants.

2025 1st only .... you're probably not getting 50% retention and would have to add.

2024 10th OV... you can probably value that as a straight up 1:1 deal as long as 50% retention is involved on the Flames end.

It's not just Marky though. I view the goaltending position that way, and its just my own opinion of the position.

When you have guys like Skinner in the FInals, and past winners like Kuemper, Hill, Niemi, Murray, you can kind of patchwork the goaltending if you have the stars up front.

I think you have your stars in net, and the rest.

I try to look at like if the Flames went goalie hunting, I would not be happy if we traded a top 10 pick for a goalie like Markstrom.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

It's not just Marky though. I view the goaltending position that way, and its just my own opinion of the position.

When you have guys like Skinner in the FInals, and past winners like Kuemper, Hill, Niemi, Murray, you can kind of patchwork the goaltending if you have the stars up front.

I think you have your stars in net, and the rest.

I try to look at like if the Flames went goalie hunting, I would not be happy if we traded a top 10 pick for a goalie like Markstrom.

New Jersey has proved that goaltending matters to them though. They have been trying the patchwork approach. I think Markstrom will get a protected 25 1st. I don't really see a path to the 10th overall without 50% retention and the Van pick but even that it is a stretch IMO.

[Jason14h]

Teams also need to be desperate to pay a 1st for someone to take cap relief

Flames did it to sign Kadri . So really it was Monahan and a 1st for Kadri

Toronto did it to sign their core RFAs longer term and avoid a MT situation

With the cap higher and also increasing this season , I don’t see a lot of teams as desperate for cap room as these two teams were (and both trades now look horrible - teams learn from others mistakes)

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Bonded

New Jersey has proved that goaltending matters to them though. They have been trying the patchwork approach. I think Markstrom will get a protected 25 1st. I don't really see a path to the 10th overall without 50% retention and the Van pick but even that it is a stretch IMO.

I don't see a path to New Jersey getting Makrstrom at 50% retained unless they add a little bit more to that 10th overall.

Absolutely no way are they getting Marky at 50% for 2 years and a 1st for a pick upgrade.

Did Carolina give the Leafs a 1st for taking on Marleau? Did Montreal give us a 1st for taking Monny?

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

I don't see a path to New Jersey getting Makrstrom at 50% retained unless they add a little bit more to that 10th overall.

Absolutely no way are they getting Marky at 50% for 2 years and a 1st for a pick upgrade.

Did Carolina give the Leafs a 1st for taking on Marleau? Did Montreal give us a 1st for taking Monny?

I basically see it as two late 1sts for a 10th overall pick. I'd do that all day. The Flames and Jersey probably disagree hah

[Robbob]

The other consideration is there are more teams than goalies. You would have to think that you don't want to be the last team standing that didn't improve the goaltending. Double that for Fitzgerald because he just threw a season away. If suddenly Ulmark has NJ on his no trade, it starts to limit his options.