Atkins and Shapiro seem the type that want a manager who wont disagree with them. Any veteran guy (like Gibby who wanted nothing to do with them) who has had success and has his way of doing things, and can push back in upper management, is thus out of the question, which is possibly why the natural internal replacement in Mattingly, hasn't had the trigger pulled to replace Schneider.
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Atkins and Shapiro seem the type that want a manager who wont disagree with them. Any veteran guy (like Gibby who wanted nothing to do with them) who has had success and has his way of doing things, and can push back in upper management, is thus out of the question, which is possibly why the natural internal replacement in Mattingly, hasn't had the trigger pulled to replace Schneider.
No doubt to all of this. I still don't see Schneider as the material person responsible for this nonsense this year. Atkins hasn't done good enough job for his tenure here. To me that accounts for 70% of what we see. 25% now to the players, and 5% to the coaching staff.
No doubt to all of this. I still don't see Schneider as the material person responsible for this nonsense this year. Atkins hasn't done good enough job for his tenure here. To me that accounts for 70% of what we see. 25% now to the players, and 5% to the coaching staff.
He's not to blame, but I also said this when he replaced Montoya, and said it around the time after Charlie's first year; that neither of those men were going to be the manager of the team when it got really good AND had a chance to go deep. Placeholder managers to get the team to a certain level and then bring in a more experienced manager to push the team over the edge.
It's what AA did, pulling the trigger on Gibby 2.0 when he felt the team needed that extra push and personality element. Now, AA trusted and had a good relationship with Gibby so it was easy.
Again, Shapiro has hired two guys who came cheap and had their first managerial gig, so much more willing to listen to those above to their deteriment, on full display in Minnesota last playoffs with Barrios.
Will Shapiro risk losing control of the team like he has now, by hiring a manager to run things his way? Maybe, maybe not. When an experienced manager tells Atkins he needs x, y, z types of players, not so sure this president and this GM want that.
As mentioned, there are a few layers here to get to Shapiro. Manager takes the first hit, then the GM. On paper, they apparently will be back to start the year next year so there's an element of self preservation...but if they hire a manager who has a winning pedigree and he does well, but the GM and president can't work with him, there is an issue...so, solve the problem by not hiring an experienced manager.
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Guessing the Jays will try to make band aid type of fixes going into next season, in terms of players acquisition. (i.e. another really poor offseason)
Jays I would think could be outside once again of the playoffs,
This will force the ownership with Shapiro leaving after 2025 season
Slow road ahead
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Guessing the Jays will try to make band aid type of fixes going into next season, in terms of players acquisition. (i.e. another really poor offseason)
Jays I would think could be outside once again of the playoffs,
This will force the ownership with Shapiro leaving after 2025 season
Slow road ahead
Yeah. I foresee long drawn out road too. Shame really.
He's not to blame, but I also said this when he replaced Montoya, and said it around the time after Charlie's first year; that neither of those men were going to be the manager of the team when it got really good AND had a chance to go deep. Placeholder managers to get the team to a certain level and then bring in a more experienced manager to push the team over the edge.
It's what AA did, pulling the trigger on Gibby 2.0 when he felt the team needed that extra push and personality element. Now, AA trusted and had a good relationship with Gibby so it was easy.
Again, Shapiro has hired two guys who came cheap and had their first managerial gig, so much more willing to listen to those above to their deteriment, on full display in Minnesota last playoffs with Barrios.
Will Shapiro risk losing control of the team like he has now, by hiring a manager to run things his way? Maybe, maybe not. When an experienced manager tells Atkins he needs x, y, z types of players, not so sure this president and this GM want that.
As mentioned, there are a few layers here to get to Shapiro. Manager takes the first hit, then the GM. On paper, they apparently will be back to start the year next year so there's an element of self preservation...but if they hire a manager who has a winning pedigree and he does well, but the GM and president can't work with him, there is an issue...so, solve the problem by not hiring an experienced manager.
Fair. The great unknown to me is coaching in baseball. I’ve always got the impression they are more one on one behind the scenes on instructing on tweaks to a players form/swing etc. but come game time which is what we see, their job is simple - pull the starter at the right time, decide on stealing or bunts, etc.
To me they’re less of a think on the fly compared to other sports during game time and are more about player prep behind the scenes. So personally with those assumptions I look at the team on paper and see they didn’t have much to work with, bat wise. So did they get the most from those bats? Maybe. They got a lot from Vlad this year. They should’ve been able to turn a few more guys into decent players no matter how little ceiling they have, but I do think they didn’t do well there. Again, low ceiling guys are going to likely revert to their means. So all in all I continue to place blame in Atkins mostly. He assembled low ceiling hitters with ample time. Missing out on Ohtani is a cop out. He had ages to get it right or contingency plan and failed flat.
I've been saying all season that Soto is a possibility the Jays should look into.
Early in the year when Yanks were in SD he basically said he has no loyalty anywhere and will go where he's paid the most.
He's won a WS. He wants to extract full value for his services; as do most players but he's seemingly much more overt about it.
Jays need a marquis name, especially after last offseason and this year, nevermind needing a bat. Fellow Dominican with Vlad never hurts.
Can the Jays offer the most? Maybe. Can the Jays do a severe overpay? Yes. Will the Jays do a severe overpay? Maybe.
Point is, Soto doesn't seem to care where he plays as long as he's paid very very well. That bodes well for Toronto, as they aren't off the list being in Canada, right away as it is for others.
Still prime years, still clubbing the ball as he has to this point in his career.
I’ve said it before but I think given the Jays lack of star depth, they’d be better going after two players at a lower cost, than paying that Soto money on him alone. Just my thought. This is the year that aligns well with that. Soto isn’t solving all our problems. Getting us two guys changes the makeup of the team more dramatically.
IMO the Jays have whole bunch of decent players who are just above average. They need more star power that can put up 6+ WAR seasons. Difference makers.
Looks like Vlad may have had a resurgence, couple him with another legit star and you might have something to put all those 1-3 WAR players around.
Soto isn't coming to TO though in my opinion. Just a tool for driving up the price and clickbait for the talking heads..
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The Jays have not had a good lefthanded hitter with power since like Delgado. So that would add something to their lineup that they have not had in ages.
But I think the Jays would just be a proxy to make the Yankees or Mets pay the top price.
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IMO the Jays have whole bunch of decent players who are just above average. They need more star power that can put up 6+ WAR seasons. Difference makers.
Looks like Vlad may have had a resurgence, couple him with another legit star and you might have something to put all those 1-3 WAR players around.
Soto isn't coming to TO though in my opinion. Just a tool for driving up the price and clickbait for the talking heads..
I agree.with this. If you're going to overpay for an FA overpay at the very top tier where you get a superstar. It's easier to find that 2-3 WAR type guy via trade/prospect, much harder to get the genuine difference making superstar.
Soto isn't coming to TO though in my opinion. Just a tool for driving up the price and clickbait for the talking heads..
Yep, the cynic in me sees two things in these annual "the Jays are going hard on this free agent!" stuff. 1. Helps the star drive up his price on the team he'll actually sign with. 2. Nifty little revenue stream for Rogers with all the speculation pieces/talks and view interaction on social media and TV viewing.
