Official WWE/ECW/WCW/TNA talk, or whatever v2

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

I watched some of AEW and saw three incredibly dangerous and stupid spots. Sting banging his head badly on a table spot, Julia Hart on a botched table spot that she looked clueless on how to bump.

They really need to get someone in there to book matches that doesn't have half trained people taking stupid dangerous spots. They don't need to Bret Hart someone like Sting at 50+. And someone to tell them that they don't have do do a bunch of stupid dangerous stunts on every show and save them for when they make sense.

They have good enough workers that they shouldn't need to do this BS.

There was a post on another forum this week where I think between Dynamite and Rampage they counted about 9 near misses / dangerous spots this week to somebody badly being hurt or landing right on their neck/head.

AEW really needs to clean this up.

They have some really strong workers that can do some of these spots. But they also have some fairly green workers that are trying to replicate what those strong workers are doing and putting themselves in a lot of danger.

[Ozy_Flame]

I agree, they can clean it up. But then you have spot monkeys as part of their appeal. Darby Allin is one of them. Not sure why Sting has decided to go full luchador in his 60's.

[CaptainCrunch]

Sure, but to me, and maybe I'm very old school. All these big bumps are really becoming meaningless. I mean sure there's a segment that wants to see Wrestlers risking life and limb for their entertainment. And sure there's an appeal to what Cornette calls trampoline kids.

But at the end of the day, when you're pulling out multiple stupid moves on every TV show and in meaningless matches, it makes you less likely to give a crap about watching a ppv where really you're holy shyte moments happen.

I mean the WWE is guilty of it as well in their booking. But at the same time while guys like Rocochet (sp?) is supremely talented and an aerial artist. I'm not especially drawn to watch his matches or believe that he's anything but a lower mid card attraction, because everyone one of his matches feels the same, and the big moments don't feel big anymore. And he can't tell a story or get me interested in a feud to save my life.

Sting should know better, he was mentored by one of the best less is more, tell a franking story workers in history.

Orton when he's engaged does literally no harmful spots unless its on a PPV but his feuds are incredibly well done.

AEW right now is just injuring workers for no reason and putting wrestlers in danger for no reason.

I mean the other thing is it drives me crazy and its bad in both feds is that finishing moves, are completely meaningless. We have mid carders kicking out of upper carder finishes moves repeatedly. So the whole setting things up for the finish. Or the heel that cheats and gets his finishing move is meaningless.

When Paul Heyman appeared on Stone Colds pod cast (Which had the weirdest ending as they tried to make it a fake shoot at the end but I digress) he talked about using the sleeper as a finishing move. Protect it, sell it and make it mean something.

Nowdays finishing moves are just finishing move. And whover thought it was smart to have a guy kick out of 2 finishing moves for a false finish is stupid.

Sure you can have a guy kick out, but do it so rarely that it actually means something, and only do it in a PPV.

There's a reason why I am a fan of Paul Heyman, and Bret Hart, and to some extent Cornette (though he's crazy)

AS extreme as ECW was. As much as we saw blood and botches and violence. The guys there that got most over

A fat over weight guy that stopped doing hardcore stuff and denied it to the fans and spent a ton of his heel matches exchanging headlocks.

Incredible technical vanilla midgets (the industry term not mind) who got over with 4 and 5 star matches and not frying pans and chairs.

[Blaster86]

At the end of the day, the core of AEW is partially formed around two guys that are all about athletic spots and spectacle matches and not making matches make sense or emulating a real fight. Acting shocked that this is a huge part of the flavour that AEW has is kind of silly. Hoping it will change is also silly. The core of their fanbase want this ####. It's why they are fans of these wrestlers.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

At the end of the day, the core of AEW is partially formed around two guys that are all about athletic spots and spectacle matches and not making matches make sense or emulating a real fight. Acting shocked that this is a huge part of the flavour that AEW has is kind of silly. Hoping it will change is also silly. The core of their fanbase want this ####. It's why they are fans of these wrestlers.

Partially.

Omega was more over than the Young Bucks (IMO) and he's the best blend of both they storytelling and the big spots.

I'd say the use of blood is not a Young Bucks thing at all either - but AEW has managed to make blood meaningless too and somebody bleeds once a show it feels like.

I felt like Young Bucks were better technically and less of a spot monkey in NJPW too.

Honestly they need to go back to NJPW quality matches, with better storytelling and the big spots mixed in when it made sense. Not just spot after spot after spot.

To me it's less about the show at this point and more wanting to have that youtube video or tweet that goes viral because of the crazy spot.

[Julio]

Kinda random story on CBC about the 50th anniversary of the 1st ladder match, with an interview with Dan Kroffat, who claimed to have invented the gimmick.


https://www.cbc.ca/listen/live-radio...th-anniversary

[albertGQ]

Looks like local Calgary wrestler, Kid Chocolate, was on Raw tonight in Edmonton.

Of course he got squashed by Omos and had zero offence. But it was cool to see as I’ve watched him wrestle plenty of times (the Legion, Toolshed; Romero Rumble, etc)

[Muta]

Raw in Edmonton, Smackdown in Winnipeg... is there a reason they're avoiding the wrestling mecca of Canada for live TV?

Maybe the Saddledome can't handle the modern rigging system WWE needs? They used to do shows here, so I assume that's probably the reason?

[Ozy_Flame]

That's exactly the reason.

[GioforPM]

I was in Nashville airport yesterday and Sheamus and McIntyre got off the incoming plane from Calgary. Must have had to connect from Edmonton. Big dudes, though not as tall as you'd expect, and my wife seemed to like the look of Drew. They live in Nashville and looked kinda tired so I didn't bug them for a pic.

[Inferno]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I was in Nashville airport yesterday and Sheamus and McIntyre got off the incoming plane from Calgary. Must have had to connect from Edmonton. Big dudes, though not as tall as you'd expect, and my wife seemed to like the look of Drew. They live in Nashville and looked kinda tired so I didn't bug them for a pic.

Probably from Saskatoon or Regina after doing house shows. They were both in Winnipeg on Friday.

[Blaster86]

Either Tony Khan has been possessed by Vince Russo and thinks worked shoots are a good idea or his entire locker room is a ####ing nightmare.

Sammy Guevara needs to be fired.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I was in Nashville airport yesterday and Sheamus and McIntyre got off the incoming plane from Calgary. Must have had to connect from Edmonton. Big dudes, though not as tall as you'd expect, and my wife seemed to like the look of Drew. They live in Nashville and looked kinda tired so I didn't bug them for a pic.

I forget when it was maybe 2017 or 2018 but the WWE was here and I guess a lot of them trained at the Sunridge Goodlife.

I went on a Sunday night and saw tall pale redheaded guy walking around so I googled to see if wrestling was here and saw it was Sheamus, huge guy. He didn't wipe down a single machine left piles of sweat on them.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

Either Tony Khan has been possessed by Vince Russo and thinks worked shoots are a good idea or his entire locker room is a ####ing nightmare.

Sammy Guevara needs to be fired.

Yeah Sammy's true personality seemed to come out the second he left his previous fiance and paired up with Tay Conte.

You could almost see his ego exploding in real time.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

I forget when it was maybe 2017 or 2018 but the WWE was here and I guess a lot of them trained at the Sunridge Goodlife.

I went on a Sunday night and saw tall pale redheaded guy walking around so I googled to see if wrestling was here and saw it was Sheamus, huge guy. He didn't wipe down a single machine left piles of sweat on them.

I used to run into the The Anvil at the gym I worked out at around 20 years ago. Dude truly was a tank. So wide. I even spotted for him a couple times. Didn't talk much. #coolstorybro

And then just this past weekend I saw Bulldog's kid at the gym. I don't remember what his name is but holy crow he looks like his dad. #coolstroybro2

When you see the guys in person you realize how massive they are. Though often not as tall as you expect, but just big dudes otherwise.

[Strange Brew]

About the scariest person I have ever seen in real life was Brian Pillman at one of the bars on Macleod (The Alley or something?) wearing a Golds Gym muscle shirt. Just ripped and truly frightening look in his eyes. Didn’t want to be anywhere near him.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Yeah Sammy's true personality seemed to come out the second he left his previous fiance and paired up with Tay Conte.



You could almost see his ego exploding in real time.

Yeah, I'd have no problem with Sammy getting axed. I get he's an original, but dude has a massive ego and just seems like a bad person.

[Muta]

AEW has some housecleaning to do, IMO. Too many inmates starting to run the asylum. Punk/Bucks was the start and it won't be the last. Also, just a bloated roster that really is unnecessary. Bucks, Punk, Jericho, Hager, Guevara, Miro, Matt Hardy, Sabian, Cage, Lethal/Dutt... these guys do nothing for me. If they got cut I couldn't care less.

There's also a serious misuse of good talent as well - Cole, O'Reilly, Andrade, Matthews - and, most annoyingly, there are TOO MANY TITLES floating around out there. Having this many everywhere seriously degrades any of them as being special.

Now, that said, AEW has some amazing talent to really run with, if Kahn could just stop fanboying his storylines all the time with outsiders. Omega, Page, MJF, Moxley (even though I'm not a fan anymore), Danielson and the BCC, Rosa, Baker, Garcia, Wardlow, Darby, Jungle Boy, Hook, FTR, Starks, Hobbs, The Acclaimed, Lucha Bros... such talent and an amazing base to build great storylines with if Kahn could just focus. Combine that with some special NJPW storylines with Okada, Naito, Takagi, etc. and you can really do some fun stuff.

[Ozy_Flame]

I am a big AEW fan, but they do need to consolidate the roster. They don't even have to downsize, per say, but they need to organize. Get that ROH brand underway. Use Rampage as an "NXT" type of show. Use Elevation and Dark as gimmick testing grounds and getting rookies with potential some camera time and practice.

I think they have some good opportunities to re-position, but I agree with Muta - he needs to stop being a fan and start being a manager, lest he wants to go down the Vince Russo route.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Muta

AEW has some housecleaning to do, IMO. Too many inmates starting to run the asylum. Punk/Bucks was the start and it won't be the last. Also, just a bloated roster that really is unnecessary. Bucks, Punk, Jericho, Hager, Guevara, Miro, Matt Hardy, Sabian, Cage, Lethal/Dutt... these guys do nothing for me. If they got cut I couldn't care less.

There's also a serious misuse of good talent as well - Cole, O'Reilly, Andrade, Matthews - and, most annoyingly, there are TOO MANY TITLES floating around out there. Having this many everywhere seriously degrades any of them as being special.

Now, that said, AEW has some amazing talent to really run with, if Kahn could just stop fanboying his storylines all the time with outsiders. Omega, Page, MJF, Moxley (even though I'm not a fan anymore), Danielson and the BCC, Rosa, Baker, Garcia, Wardlow, Darby, Jungle Boy, Hook, FTR, Starks, Hobbs, The Acclaimed, Lucha Bros... such talent and an amazing base to build great storylines with if Kahn could just focus. Combine that with some special NJPW storylines with Okada, Naito, Takagi, etc. and you can really do some fun stuff.

Yeah it's crazy how bloated the title scene is now

AEW World Title
TNT Title
Womens Title
TBS Title
AEW All Atlantic
ROH Title
ROH Pure Title
Tag Team Title
ROH Tag Team
Trios Titles

When you have 3 hours of TV each week having 10 titles is way too many.

I have no idea why guys like Dutt/Lethal are getting so much TV time, they need to split off the ROH brand even if it's just a youtube show for now.