I don't know if I necessarily agree with that. The media did screw up by reporting everything with a similar level of "outrage", but there is a straight up, authentic moron in the Oval Office right now who very likely colluded with Russian intelligence to sway, or at least influence, the election.
I think that's pretty deserving of outrage, but it still doesn't change the fact that most people just need to get up in the morning and work and pretty much just worry about making ends meet.
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Interesting look into the other side of the conversation from CNN. The people in the article baffle me.
There's no hope for these people at this point. The brainwashing has clearly taken effect and they're now fully immersed in the fantasy world of Trumplandia. I love this quote in particular:
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"Donald Trump is getting the job done without all of the collateral damage that everybody was afraid of," Johnson said, shrugging off nationwide protests. "Republicans who didn't support him thought he'd be too wacky. The opposition thought he'd do fearful things. And he's not doing either one. And that's what I expected."
I have no words for how idiotic and detached from reality that sounds, especially in light of how insane, chaotic, damaging, and ridiculous Trump's first month has been.
There's one woman in that article who actually sounds like a decent, sane person in most of her quotes, and admits she was reluctant to vote for Trump on election day. But in the end she held her nose and voted for him anyway. Why? Because "she was reluctant to vote for Clinton given the FBI investigation into her use of a private email server as secretary of state and what Meyer feared would be a "pay to play" administration (a charge levied by Trump). Furthermore, she was disturbed by Clinton's response to the 2012 attack on the US mission in Benghazi, Libya, which left the ambassador and three other Americans dead."
So of course in the end her decision came down to "EMAILS! BENGHAZI!" Good grief.
I don't know if I necessarily agree with that. The media did screw up by reporting everything with a similar level of "outrage", but there is a straight up, authentic moron in the Oval Office right now who very likely colluded with Russian intelligence to sway, or at least influence, the election.
I think that's pretty deserving of outrage, but it still doesn't change the fact that most people just need to get up in the morning and work and pretty much just worry about making ends meet.
So, there is a real sense of proportion involved here, and I think we agree on the proper median.
Bill is one of the few enlightened Americans who realizes that federal politics isn't really a big deal in the daily life of an anverage American.
He's a rich white guy, of course he isn't affected (negatively) by Trump.
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So, there is a real sense of proportion involved here, and I think we agree on the proper median.
Well I think the problem is he started out with some pretty legitimately horrible ####. If reporters could go back with hindsight and grade everything with an appropriate outrage level, then yeah, it might be more reasonable.
However he basically started out as a birther, and his first big general policy idea was to build a wall and deport millions of people. Where do you go from there on a level of reaction?
Well I think the problem is he started out with some pretty legitimately horrible ####. If reporters could go back with hindsight and grade everything with an appropriate outrage level, then yeah, it might be more reasonable.
However he basically started out as a birther, and his first big general policy idea was to build a wall and deport millions of people. Where do you go from there on a level of reaction?
The media has treated every Republican candidate since Bush Jr as the Devil Incarnate. Clearly, hysteria being mined for dollars here.
That's not the same thing though. In general, these parties do nothing for the actual day to day of people.
Are you kidding? He has kept all of the Muslim terrorists away from the coal mining communities all over America. BT = Muslim terrorist threats daily, AT = no threats of muslim terrorists ever. Sheetpile, Kentucky thank Trump every day for their new secure America. MERKAH!!!!!!!! TRUMP!!!!!!!!!
The media has treated every Republican candidate since Bush Jr as the Devil Incarnate. Clearly, hysteria being mined for dollars here.
I think you're confusing treating them as moronic simpletons as "the devil incarnate". There is very little doubt W (and it's W, not Bush Jr) and Trump are very much moronic simpletons when it comes to understanding how government works. That's why Cheney ran the Bush administration, and why Bannon is currently in control of the Trump administration. Trump only cares about pimping the Trump brands and making Mar-A-Lago and his other properties as the ultimate pay for play locations.
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I think you're confusing treating them as moronic simpletons as "the devil incarnate". There is very little doubt W (and it's W, not Bush Jr) and Trump are very much moronic simpletons when it comes to understanding how government works. That's why Cheney ran the Bush administration, and why Bannon is currently in control of the Trump administration.
You are guilty of the same tendency, except you have just substituted "ruled by Devil Incarnate" to "ruled by shadowy Satanic conspiracy." It's the same level of silly hysteria.
There was a piece in the Guardian today focusing on the run down, poverty stricken city of Youngstown, OH, in a county which narrowly went to Clinton. Previously, Obama won it easily. You can understand why these people voted for Trump. I don't think either candidate represents their interests at all, but at least Trump was talking about creating jobs for them. It was bull####, of course. Manufacturing jobs aren't coming back, but it was a glimmer of hope for these easily convinced voters.
This ties in to the earlier point that politics isn't a big deal in the lives of average Americans. They don't care about what goes on in Washington, in newspaper offices or the UN. They just want to make decent money to live decent lives. Both parties have let them down, and they haven't realized it yet, but both parties will continuously let them down again. They're just stuck in the middle of all of this.
It's all well and good for people like me to question how they could vote for this imbecile, but they don't care about him making fun of the disabled, or being rude to reporters or whether he fully divests or not, they just want to be able to make good living.
(Not saying I can fully dismiss my qualms about the way they voted, just that it's a good exercise to try to understand why)
The media has treated every Republican candidate since Bush Jr as the Devil Incarnate. Clearly, hysteria being mined for dollars here.
Most republican candidates since Bush have warranted their negative coverage, or are you here to tell us about how wonderful candidates like Rick Santorum, Ted Cruz, Newt Gingrich, Mike Huckabee etc etc etc were? The closest thing the GOP has had to a decent nominee was Romney and he had more than his fair share of legitimate skeletons in his closet.
This is the myth of the lack of balance in the media. Grotesque politicians deserve to have grotesque coverage.
You can't have your cake and eat it too here, petey.
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You are guilty of the same tendency, except you have just substituted "ruled by Devil Incarnate" to "ruled by shadowy Satanic conspiracy." It's the same level of silly hysteria.
Hahaha what? A satanic conspiracy? That Cheney was running things (almost the universally accepted view) and Bannon currently is running things (the widely accepted view)? How is going with the widely and wholly accepted views a conspiracy?
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Hahaha what? A satanic conspiracy? That Cheney was running things (almost the universally accepted view) and Bannon currently is running things (the widely accepted view)? How is going with the widely and wholly accepted views a conspiracy?
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There was a piece in the Guardian today focusing on the run down, poverty stricken city of Youngstown, OH, in a county which narrowly went to Clinton. Previously, Obama won it easily. You can understand why these people voted for Trump. I don't think either candidate represents their interests at all, but at least Trump was talking about creating jobs for them. It was bull####, of course. Manufacturing jobs aren't coming back, but it was a glimmer of hope for these easily convinced voters.
This ties in to the earlier point that politics isn't a big deal in the lives of average Americans. They don't care about what goes on in Washington, in newspaper offices or the UN. They just want to make decent money to live decent lives. Both parties have let them down, and they haven't realized it yet, but both parties will continuously let them down again. They're just stuck in the middle of all of this.
It's all well and good for people like me to question how they could vote for this imbecile, but they don't care about him making fun of the disabled, or being rude to reporters or whether he fully divests or not, they just want to be able to make good living.
(Not saying I can fully dismiss my qualms about the way they voted, just that it's a good exercise to try to understand why)
yup, even though Trump is not the solution, he addressed the problems that people wanted to hear. Along with 'Crooked Hillary' and the democrats are elitists.
1. Inner-Cities
2. Jobs
3. Illegal Immigration
This are big issues that need to be solved. Trump addressed these issues (no matter how falsely). Hillary did as well but not enough to rally her base.
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