2016/2017 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[Calgary4LIfe]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

So let's expand the deal to what you suggest in the last paragraph

Ovie for Brouwer, Fox, 2 1sts and Jankowski (or Parsons)

In 2 years Tkachuk is going to require a big raise ($5-7M per). In 2-3 years there is a good chance Bennett will be signing a more lucrative long term deal. In 3 years Brodie is due an extension and in 4 years Hamilton will require one. It is safe to say that all 4 of those players can expect substantial raises on their current deals. Adding Ovie for 5 years likely forces the Flames to lose one of those players. Is that something you are prepared for?

You can always trade Ovie at that time. With 2 years left, I imagine that there would still be a very large market for his services, as long as he didn't fall off a ledge in production.

You aren't getting a guy with a NMC and an 8 year deal here. You aren't married to him. You bring him on to give you a few good runs at a cup. If the homegrown kids earn hefty raises, that means you probably at least got close to a cup. You trade guys that don't fit your team long-term. If that ends up being Ovie again, then you find a taker for Ovie. Barring some injury, it won't be an immovable contract in an off-season. GMs are always looking for top 4 defencemen and forwards that can put the puck in the net. Goals are always going to be an expensive and sought-out commodity in the NHL.

It just forces your team to not invest in the bottom 6 and not re-sign them to significant raises. That's usually where the 'bad cap' is found anyways.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Certainly is a fair way to look at it.

I look at Chicago and wonder how much better that team would look with Saad over Hossa moving forward?

I would just hate to be in a spot where Tkachuk is 23 dominating for a team while the Flames have a 36 year old Ovechkin and some picks/prospects that might or might not work out.

did the Flames win a cup? This is not just an opinion about Ovi...at some point you gotta take a risk. Flames aren't gonna be getting top end players in the draft anytime soon, they aren't good enough to win a cup IMO

are they good enough to beat Edmonton in a seven game series? not right now so they aren't even good enough to get past the 2nd round.

Personally I think the Flames need to be more aggressive or we will have another 2006-2010. Decent team, not good enough and eventually all traded for nothing

[Lord Carnage]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Certainly is a fair way to look at it.

I look at Chicago and wonder how much better that team would look with Saad over Hossa moving forward?

I would just hate to be in a spot where Tkachuk is 23 dominating for a team while the Flames have a 36 year old Ovechkin and some picks/prospects that might or might not work out.

Another option... maybe we can deal Ovie in 2-3 years if needs be to keep the young guys.

The question is, does getting Ovie now (for that small of a price) give us a legit cup shot now?

Answer is probably not without addressing goaltending too... hmm - expand the deal to get Grubauer too?

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

You can always trade Ovie at that time. With 2 years left, I imagine that there would still be a very large market for his services, as long as he didn't fall off a ledge in production.

You aren't getting a guy with a NMC and an 8 year deal here. You aren't married to him. You bring him on to give you a few good runs at a cup. If the homegrown kids earn hefty raises, that means you probably at least got close to a cup. You trade guys that don't fit your team long-term. If that ends up being Ovie again, then you find a taker for Ovie. Barring some injury, it won't be an immovable contract in an off-season. GMs are always looking for top 4 defencemen and forwards that can put the puck in the net. Goals are always going to be an expensive and sought-out commodity in the NHL.

It just forces your team to not invest in the bottom 6 and not re-sign them to significant raises. That's usually where the 'bad cap' is found anyways.

Exactly...last season they paid Wideman, Stajan, Bouma, Brouwer, about 15M

Give me Ovi at 9.5 please

Plus I think he is the perfect winger for JG...big, creates room, one of the best goal scorers of all time

[GioforPM]

I suppose you factor in losing Lazar in that trade as well, since you protect Ovie, and you weren't protecting Brouwer before. But that still is OK in my books.

I don't think the price in the article gets it done. I think they want a decent young roster player, probably in addition to the pieces already listed.

[East Coast Flame]

In what world would it be a bad idea to get Ovi? Good lord.The guy just put up the worst year of his career and still outscored every Flame this year. After winning 4 Richard trophies in a row. And the guys only 31! He isn't some washed up dinosaur.

Ovi plus a somewhat competent goalie and the Flames win a cup in the next 1-3 years. For sure.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I suppose you factor in losing Lazar in that trade as well, since you protect Ovie, and you weren't protecting Brouwer before. But that still is OK in my books.

I don't think the price in the article gets it done. I think they want a decent young roster player, probably in addition to the pieces already listed.

Just wait until after the expansion draft to do the deal.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Just wait until after the expansion draft to do the deal.

yeah no point in doing it before

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Just wait until after the expansion draft to do the deal.

You might not have Brouwer then. If so, who else do you send that (a) reduces the cap and (b) the Caps want? They'd ask for at least a Frolik.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

You might not have Brouwer then. If so, who else do you send that (a) reduces the cap and (b) the Caps want? They'd ask for at least a Frolik.

I guess...I certainly wouldn't let Lazar hold up the deal

why do the Caps want Brouwer again lol...and to think some fans are unsure of this imaginary deal, dear lord. I suspect we are gonna find out in a couple weeks that we can't give Brouwer away

9.5M

So less than we just paid Wideman and Brouwer

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

You might not have Brouwer then. If so, who else do you send that (a) reduces the cap and (b) the Caps want? They'd ask for at least a Frolik.

Well considering the fact that I highly doubt they'd ever want Brouwer as part of a return for Ovi in the 1st place, I don't see a problem

[Calgary4LIfe]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

You might not have Brouwer then. If so, who else do you send that (a) reduces the cap and (b) the Caps want? They'd ask for at least a Frolik.

I think Brouwer was the throw-in to help ease the cap, rather than a significant add to help appease the Caps.

If there is no Brouwer, there is always another below average contract. A Bouma, a Stajan... Frolik isn't a cap dump.

[Corral]

There's a reason why thirtysomething russians get shopped around the league in their so-called prime years. Overpriced and underperformers.

Just stay away.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by dino7c

I guess...I certainly wouldn't let Lazar hold up the deal

why do the Caps want Brouwer again lol...and to think some fans are unsure of this imaginary deal, dear lord. I suspect we are gonna find out in a couple weeks that we can't give Brouwer away

I think Brouwer has a better rep around the league than you think. He had a relatively bad year. But that can be a good time to buy. After Johnny and Monahan and, I guess Backlund, he might be the biggest "name" among the Flame forwards.

Losing Lazar or not, I'd do that deal easily though. I have some doubts about Lazar's long term prospects anyway.

Would you do the same deal but with Frolik instead of Brouwer (similar salaries, outside of the core, a winger)?

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I think Brouwer has a better rep around the league than you think. He had a relatively bad year. But that can be a good time to buy. After Johnny and Monahan and, I guess Backlund, he might be the biggest "name" among the Flame forwards.

Losing Lazar or not, I'd do that deal easily though. I have some doubts about Lazar's long term prospects anyway.

Would you do the same deal but with Frolik instead of Brouwer (similar salaries, outside of the core, a winger)?

YES

Ovi's "bad season" with 33 goals....How many guys on our roster will ever hit 33 goals?

JG setting up the greatest goal scorer of our time...

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

I think Brouwer was the throw-in to help ease the cap, rather than a significant add to help appease the Caps.

If there is no Brouwer, there is always another below average contract. A Bouma, a Stajan... Frolik isn't a cap dump.

If so, and if Brouwer is gone in expansion, the cap dump isn't needed, right? I guess if they want Stajan or Bouma, great, but both are less useful than Brouwer, who was a 20 goal man in Washington (and I like Stajan).

[Rick M.]

Where's that picture of Ovi in cowboy hat and jeans when you need it?

[getbak]

Originally Posted by Rick M.

Where's that picture of Ovi in cowboy hat and jeans when you need it?

On Google, with everything else...




Dude needs to learn how to wear his boots though if he comes here.


There's this one too...



Maybe he secretly wants to be a cowboy.

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by Toonage

"The other deal involves Calgary. The Flames send Troy Brouwer back to Washington, which helps off-set Ovechkin’s salary. Calgary also gives up the rights to draft pick Adam Fox, currently at Harvard, plus a first-rounder in 2018.
Calgary’s forward corps gets a nice boost from Ovechkin, while Washington gets a little more financial wiggle room to re-sign T.J. Oshie and others."

Man, the Opiod Crisis is widespread... clearly hitting the staff of the Hockey News hard.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Corral

There's a reason why thirtysomething russians get shopped around the league in their so-called prime years. Overpriced and underperformers.

Just stay away.

He's as consistent a scorer as there's been in the last 13 years. Never below 32 goals (including the lockout season). Only a modified NTC.

The last time he had this "weak" of a season, he came back the next year with .66 GPG and 1.2 PPG. And followed that with 51 goals. Then 53 goals. Then 50 goals.