Israel declares war on Hamas

[Flames Fan, Ph.D.]

This same broken piece of logic could have been used to describe Israeli citizenry’s view of Netanyahu before his attempts to overtake the courts prompted thousands to march.

Maybe, just maybe, actions and more recent events have an impact on people’s views, and a poll you read many years ago isn’t representative of today.

This thread is getting silly with its heavy reliance on confirmation bias.

[Leondros]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

It's obviously impossible to judge accurately but during the Arab Spring when the middle east was in turmoil there were few demonstrations in Gaza, every indication, every poll suggests Hamas are very popular in Gaza, in fact most of the posters here talk about how Israels actions will lead to support for Hamas so it's churlish to suggest Hamas isnt popular when you are also arguing Israel has been engaging in decades of oppression and brutality

Gazans hate Israel and so support Hamas, I doubt anyone thinks otherwise

Arab Spring started almost 13 years ago? That is much closer to the last election than today.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by Leondros

Arab Spring started almost 13 years ago? That is much closer to the last election than today.

The point still stands, there have been no major demonstrations or particular unrest at all in Gaza, the whole of the middle East, Iran especially, has been riven by unrest, Gaza wasn't then nor has been since, you can argue Hamas isn't a democratic representative of the population but they aren't a hated repressive occupier either, they are pretty representative of Gazans, the average Gazan is about 1/3rd better off than an Egyptian or Jordanian, massively better off than a Syrian or Lebanese, if you live in Gaza you doing ok compared to most in the region and you have about as much freedom

[Fuzz]

Countries traditionally aligned with Israel are warning its right-wing government against contemplating a displacement of people who live in the Gaza Strip, as Israeli officials repeatedly suggest Canada could take in Palestinians.

This week, Israeli Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich said his country should "encourage migration" of Palestinians from Gaza and re-establish Israeli settlements there, echoing similar comments from National Security Minister Itamar Ben Gvir.

"You are seeing these ministers who come out and talk about wiping out cities (or) throwing a nuclear bomb on the Palestinian people," Abuamara, who represents the Palestinian General Delegation to Canada, said in an interview last month.

In November, Netanyahu suspended his heritage minister, Amichai Eliyahu, after he said in an interview that dropping a nuclear bomb on Gaza was an option.

In March, Smotrich called for the West Bank village of Huwara to be "erased" following violence between Israeli settlers and Palestinians.

"Israel wants to — and you hear it every day — to send all the Gazans out. That's a solution that they think would bring the calm that they want," Abuamara said, adding that she believes many Israelis disagree with what their country's government is doing.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/isr...073734?cmp=rss

I think it's pretty clear where the Israeli government really wants to go with this. They want every thing from the river to the sea, and don't really care how it happens at this point.

[Leondros]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

The point still stands, there have been no major demonstrations or particular unrest at all in Gaza, the whole of the middle East, Iran especially, has been riven by unrest, Gaza wasn't then nor has been since, you can argue Hamas isn't a democratic representative of the population but they aren't a hated repressive occupier either, they are pretty representative of Gazans, the average Gazan is about 1/3rd better off than an Egyptian or Jordanian, massively better off than a Syrian or Lebanese, if you live in Gaza you doing ok compared to most in the region and you have about as much freedom

If you would like to provide some facts (not opinions) I am more than happy to read them. Polling suggests before the Israeli response to the Oct. 7 attack, Hamas had 38% support of Gazans and 12% from the West Bank.

At the same time, 44% in the West Bank said they supported Hamas, up from just 12% in September. In Gaza, the militants enjoyed 42% support, up slightly from 38% three months ago.

https://apnews.com/article/israel-ha...b5393844bc4514

The bolded is EXACTLY the point that matters. There has not been a democratic election since 2006 and given the age of the population very few of the people alive today HAVE voted for Hamas. These are just facts. Polls also support that if an election were to have been held, there's a real chance Hamas would have been elected out.

The point after that is - should the Palestinian people suffer and be moved pushed out of their homes/land if they did not elect in Hamas. It is now coming out that this is at least some members of Israel's governments intentions and Israel's leadership has been documented as this being their end game.

[Winsor_Pilates]

A very young population is also growing up under Hamas and being educated/indoctrinated by Hamas.
So even if they would elect Hamas today, they've never had access to fair education or seeing things any other way.
This argument seems irrelevant to the conflict.

[Old Yeller]

https://www.cnn.com/2024/01/04/middl...ntl/index.html

ISIS claimed responsibility for the bombing in Iran.

[activeStick]

Looks like I was wrong (as I am often), as ISIS claims responsibility for the public bombing in Iran.

[TherapyforGlencross]

https://nationalpost.com/news/canada...c83e07346/amp/

A Jewish-owned grocery store in Toronto has become the victim of an apparent antisemitic arson attack, in what local officials are saying is further evidence of a ramp-up in “lawlessness” targeting the Jewish community.

Around 6 a.m. on Wednesday, Toronto Fire responded to smoke issuing from the rear doors of International Deli Foods, a Jewish-owned grocery store located near the campus of York University.

Firefighters were able to extinguish the blaze quickly and without injury, but news photos from the scene showed that the fire had broken out near graffiti reading “Free Palestine.” An inspection of the building also revealed smashed windows.

Unfortunate name for a grocery store, IDF.

[Manhattanboy]

Originally Posted by TherapyforGlencross

https://nationalpost.com/news/canada...c83e07346/amp/



Unfortunate name for a grocery store, IDF.

Ya the antisemitic arson attack perpetrated in Canada was unfortunate as well.

The owner should have been seen it coming and changed the name after October 7.

[TherapyforGlencross]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

Ya the antisemitic arson attack perpetrated in Canada was unfortunate as well.

The owner should have been seen it coming and changed the name after October 7.

Absolutely. York is home to a large diaspora of Jewish people, where this attack occurred. Edit: Police really ought to act on the protests, as it seems people are becoming emboldened.

[Manhattanboy]

You know I was being facetious about the owner having to change the name of his business right?

[Hack&Lube]

The world would be a better place, if what really happened was that Israel declared war on Hummus.

[Manhattanboy]

Developing story. Large missile attack against northern Israel. Looks like Nasrallah has decided to pull Lebanon into the war.

[Language]

It’s really unfortunate how Hezbollah has such power and grip over Lebanon.

A war with Israel is the last thing Lebanon wants or needs right now. Majority of Lebanese (whether Arab or Christian) just want peace. Same with most Iranians I would imagine.

It’s the Islamist extremism that has taken over these countries that is poisonous to this whole region.


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[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

Developing story. Large missile attack against northern Israel. Looks like Nasrallah has decided to pull Lebanon into the war.

No immediate reports of damage or death according to the Guardian.
Hopefully its just a show of response to the assassination of the Hamas leader in Lebanon and they fall back.

[Doctorfever]

https://www.ctvnews.ca/world/israeli...gaza-1.6715662

.The strike on an SUV killed a commander in a secretive Hezbollah unit that operates along the border, according to a Lebanese security official who spoke on condition of anonymity in keeping with regulations. The commander, Wissam al-Tawil, was a veteran of the Iranian-backed Lebanese force who took part in the 2006 cross-border kidnapping of two Israeli soldiers that triggered the last war between Israel and Hezbollah, an official in the group said.

We are likely to see further escalation in the region after Israel’s attack on this terrorist organization.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

https://www.ctvnews.ca/world/israeli...gaza-1.6715662



We are likely to see further escalation in the region after Israel’s attack on this terrorist organization.

I doubt it, a few more drones and missiles across the Golan is more likely, if Hezbollah had the means or the inclination they would have jumped in already, it's been 3 months, they are broke and massively overstretched keeping control of Lebanon and Syria already

[Southside403]

Brave man
https://youtu.be/C2LUeAWlZOw?si=z2078pMn-EmQ8RGn

[Manhattanboy]

Originally Posted by Southside403

Brave man
https://youtu.be/C2LUeAWlZOw?si=z2078pMn-EmQ8RGn

As a UN official, rather than call on the international community to ensure the hospital be protected from hostilities, he would truly be a “brave man” if he stood there and publicly called for Hamas to release the hostages, unconditionally surrender, and pledge not to attack Israel again.