You people are all blind to the truth. Educate yourselves. You have no idea how deep this conspiracy goes. Richard Gage states here: http://wakingjonah.com/2010/09/11/ri...s-show-part-1/
that building 7 fell in 6.5 seconds. This man is an architect, you can't argue against the facts he's laying out - he's an expert. How on earth does that happen due to fire?! First things first, that building was 226m tall. Dusting off a little bit of physics I haven't used in a while, it seems that the acceleration for that building to collapse in 6.5 seconds would be about... 10.698 m/s^2. That is FASTER than gravity.
CLEARLY the only explanation here is that the US government conspired with aliens from hyperspace to create a gravity well at the base of this building to bring it down. The "pull" of earth's gravity alone could not possibly do this. Ever wonder why they were using the phrase "pull it" that day? That's right, they're talking about their artificial gravity well, baby!
We're through the looking glass here, people.
Actually the real truth is the building was home to about 500 Peregrine Falcons and they pushed the building down.
Seriously though I think it takes a brick for example about 7 seconds to reach TV at sea level (122 mph or 55 m/s). At low speeds, the drag is much less than the gravitational force and so the object accelerates.
You people are all blind to the truth. Educate yourselves. You have no idea how deep this conspiracy goes. Richard Gage states here: http://wakingjonah.com/2010/09/11/ri...s-show-part-1/
that building 7 fell in 6.5 seconds. This man is an architect, you can't argue against the facts he's laying out - he's an expert. How on earth does that happen due to fire?! First things first, that building was 226m tall. Dusting off a little bit of physics I haven't used in a while, it seems that the acceleration for that building to collapse in 6.5 seconds would be about... 10.698 m/s^2. That is FASTER than gravity.
CLEARLY the only explanation here is that the US government conspired with aliens from hyperspace to create a gravity well at the base of this building to bring it down. The "pull" of earth's gravity alone could not possibly do this. Ever wonder why they were using the phrase "pull it" that day? That's right, they're talking about their artificial gravity well, baby!
We're through the looking glass here, people.
You had me there for a minute Phaneuf, but it wasn't a gravity well.
The enterprise fired a graviton pulse that struck the building. Their mission, to make sure that Kennedy was killed for real this time.
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If you want to send america into a frenzy so they attack another country the effort on Sept 11th seems like too much work and great chance of failure or getting caught.
Would not just setting off a few bombs at a major sporting event result in the same frenzy and it would only require a couple of people to pull it off and the success chance would be greater and less risky.
You wouldn't even need to kill civilians, the Marine bombing in Lebanon, the attack on the Cole all had the American public calling for retaliation.
You could also attack one of your allies and then come to their rescue. A dirty bomb in toronto attributed to terrorists would be justification for Nato going to war.
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You people are all blind to the truth. Educate yourselves. You have no idea how deep this conspiracy goes. Richard Gage states here: http://wakingjonah.com/2010/09/11/ri...s-show-part-1/
that building 7 fell in 6.5 seconds. This man is an architect, you can't argue against the facts he's laying out - he's an expert. How on earth does that happen due to fire?! First things first, that building was 226m tall. Dusting off a little bit of physics I haven't used in a while, it seems that the acceleration for that building to collapse in 6.5 seconds would be about... 10.698 m/s^2. That is FASTER than gravity.
That is the height of the new building 7 which was finished in 2006. The old Building 7 was 187m, which if my math is correct (I'm terrible with physics) gives an acceleration of 8.85m/s/s. Not that I think it was demolished or anything. This picture shows how much damage was done to the building, I'm not really surprised it fell:
That is the height of the new building 7 which was finished in 2006. The old Building 7 was 187m, which if my math is correct (I'm terrible with physics) gives an acceleration of 8.85m/s/s. Not that I think it was demolished or anything. This picture shows how much damage was done to the building, I'm not really surprised it fell:
Good. That's the point. Selective picking of facts from a grainy youtube video and wikipedia and making gross oversimplifications in some amateur analysis can lead you to some pretty zany conclusions. This is the heart of the truther movement.
The other point I question is the 6.5 s fall time. It seems like he took the time when the penthouse started collapsing till the building disappeared behind the skyline. That skyline contains some pretty tall buildings and is a long way to the ground. So lets set the fall time at... 7.5 seconds? Seems fair.
Also, the roof doesn't fall perfectly to street level (especially when it collapses "perfectly into its own footprint"). The old building was 610 ft (186 m) with 47 floors. Using some very scientific calculations, because the numbers don't seem to be available, I'm going to estimate the rubble pile as 140ft tall. (610-(10*47)), So knock 42 m off of the height of that building and we find that the distance the roof actually fell was 144 m. In 7.5 seconds, that looks like the acceleration was 5.12 m/s^2 or, in layman's terms... nowhere close to freefall speeds.
I can fudge these numbers to prove anything I want. The NIST report, FEMA report, popular mechanics report, facts, any number of the other reports don't agree with my height of the rubble pile or the height that the building was? TOO BAD - they're a bunch of liars, remember? We need a REAL investigations.
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And still, [people] like you with their heads up their asses wont open their eyes to facts and undeniable proof. You HONESTLY believe that men in turbans and robes in the mountains of a 3rd world country organized and executed the most brutal and sophisticated attack in the history of the world???!! REALLY?! just sketched it out in the dirt and said "F it, lets do it." PREPOSTEROUS.
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That's wrong on so many levels, but the one I like the most is "the most sophisticated attack in the history of the world". Off the top of my head I can think of 10 more sophisticated attacks in the last 70 years.
This was their "sophisticated" attached.
Step 1: Get on plane
Step 2: hijack plane with box cutters
Step 3: Crash Plane into building
Step 4: ?????
Step 5: Profit.
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That's wrong on so many levels, but the one I like the most is "the most sophisticated attack in the history of the world". Off the top of my head I can think of 10 more sophisticated attacks in the last 70 years.
This was their "sophisticated" attached.
Step 1: Get on plane
Step 2: hijack plane with box cutters
Step 3: Crash Plane into building
Step 4: ?????
Step 5: Profit.
You forgot the part where they contacted aliens and arranged to have them plant the explosives in the WTC so it would fall straight down, and not like a tree.
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Repeating the truth for it to come true is hardly necessary.
Since you are all about what one expert says, here is an entire group of experst who were not hired by anyone to satisfy and side of this debate, but who looked at all the evidence and explain, quite clearly, how and why the buildings fell as they did.
I suspect you won't believe a word they say, because truthers really dont want to know...the truth. That being said I look forward to you being able to refute their stance with equally valid people in the field backing up that position.
Oh i meant to link the website of the company who prepared this report as well.
Not trying to bash as I find this discussion fascinating from a psychological perspective, but for the so called "truthers" out there, how do you refute this PDF... its very good.
I'll be very interested to hear their responses.
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Not trying to bash as I find this discussion fascinating from a psychological perspective, but for the so called "truthers" out there, how do you refute this PDF... its very good.
I'll be very interested to hear their responses.
Clearly the reverse Vampires and governmentally employed Men in Black blackmailed or bribed these men to discredit the truther movement.
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Not that I believe these theory's, but I have a question. Why hasn't the video of the plane hitting the Pentagon ever been released? It's one of the most secure buildings in the world with video cameras everywhere, and we get one time laps video of and explosion? Why aren't they releasing that video?
On a side note, I was on my honeymoon cruse last week, and ended up chatting with a pilot for Delta, who said that one of the hijackers was in the jump seat in the cockpit posing as a deadhead pilot, something I had never heard before. I have no idea how true it is but interesting that hasn't come out if it is true.
He also is friends with the pilot that was in command of the underwear bombers flight, who has since retired due to stress from the indecent, and he said a lot of facts have been withheld from that case.
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Not that I believe these theory's, but I have a question. Why hasn't the video of the plane hitting the Pentagon ever been released?
Why should they? Keep in mind this whole conspiracy theory exists mostly in cyber space; it's not like there's some Senate Committee investigating this or something.
There could be any number of security reasons not to. Off the top of my head I can think of a couple:
- The footage may show an Air Force jet in pursuit; and it looks bad that the pilot was waiting for orders to shoot down a civilian jet over the nation's capitol.
- Releasing good footage would indicate what kind of security footage is made at the Pentagon; camera locations, etc. Why make that available to ever other terrorist in the world?
Personally, I believe 911 was planned and executed by a shadowy association of conspiracy theorists, who sought to fame the US government for the whole thing. The government, in turn, framed Al Quaeda because to blame the real culprits would cause mass panic across the US as people learn that anyone - even their next door neighbour - could be a terrorist. Far easier to accept that some ethnic minority from another country is the terrorist rather than a pencil-necked geek who works at the local All-State branch.
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