Sons of Anarchy

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Yamer

That's exactly what happened with Walt in Breaking Bad. He had developed to a point that he felt untouchable.

It just seemed more contrived to me in Breaking Bad. In SoA, it was dumb thugs making bad decisions in the heat of the moment. In Breaking Bad, it just seemed like a random out of the blue way to push the plot forward. It reminded me of a Greek play where gods would interfere just to move the plot.

But yeah, I agree... the same justification can be used I suppose.

[Machiavelli]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

It just seemed more contrived to me in Breaking Bad. In SoA, it was dumb thugs making bad decisions in the heat of the moment. In Breaking Bad, it just seemed like a random out of the blue way to push the plot forward. It reminded me of a Greek play where gods would interfere just to move the plot.

But yeah, I agree... the same justification can be used I suppose.

But it wasn't dumb thugs. It was Marks' secondhand man who didn't seem to be dumb at all.

I didn't actually mind that plot device because I think it was necessary to move things along, but I agree with the reviewer that it was little a unbelievable that he would walk into that. I was wondering why he left that other dude with the hostages.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Machiavelli

But it wasn't dumb thugs. It was Marks' secondhand man who didn't seem to be dumb at all.

I didn't actually mind that plot device because I think it was necessary to move things along, but I agree with the reviewer that it was little a unbelievable that he would walk into that. I was wondering why he left that other dude with the hostages.

You mean Mark's second hand man that was on a whole 3 episodes before that one? I don't think we knew enough about him to know whether he was smart or not. All we know is that he was sadistic.

[Senator Clay Davis]

They talked about him being former black ops, former Blackwater. So for a military type guy to walk into an obvious trap like that is simply lazy writing. He would sit on the house for at least a few days to see who's coming in and out, if anyone. Instead he loads up the cavalry and leaves the hostages with two guys, one he can't even really trust. Of course if reality were a concern Marks would have executed Jax when he shot Bobby but then the show would be over.

[waner]

He didn't have a few days he wanted the mom and son before Marks went to court so time was an issue for him.

[devo22]

dude, you do know that you don't have to give your wife a job on every show of yours, right? sigh

Sons of Anarchy power couple Kurt Sutter and Katey Sagal are looking to make lightning strike twice.

The real-life husband and wife team will reunite on Sutter’s in-the-works FX follow-up, The ####### Executioner. Sagal confirmed that she will appear in the period drama during a conference call with reporters.

“I’m going to be in it,” she said. “We don’t know in what capacity yet, because he’s just starting to work on it. But that’s where we’re going. I will definitely be involved with it.”

https://tvline.com/2014/11/17/the-##...t-katey-sagal/

EDIT: lol, I never realized the word "b a s t a r d" is blocked on this site

[Senator Clay Davis]

Originally Posted by waner

He didn't have a few days he wanted the mom and son before Marks went to court so time was an issue for him.

Well not really. Marks was getting released in a few days (on bail, you'd figure). He wasn't going to be on trial for months. He didn't need them dead ASAP, he needed them dead before they testified. But Sutter wanted revenge for Bobby and Moses was, as the awesome IMDB reviewer likes to call these charatcers, a plot device. He was there to advance the "be angry Bobby died" narrative.

The ironic part is the poor, contrived writing of this season has me fully rooting for Marks and Lin, and for pretty much all the Sons to be taken out. But obviously odds are Jax will take them all out himself and then it'll be about mommy.

[nfotiu]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

They talked about him being former black ops, former Blackwater. So for a military type guy to walk into an obvious trap like that is simply lazy writing. He would sit on the house for at least a few days to see who's coming in and out, if anyone. Instead he loads up the cavalry and leaves the hostages with two guys, one he can't even really trust. Of course if reality were a concern Marks would have executed Jax when he shot Bobby but then the show would be over.

I have a neighbour with similar credentials. I am pretty sure I could trick him with an elaborate trap like that if I needed to. Maybe I'll give a try and get back to you!

[devo22]

kudos to Mr. Sutter. Overall season 7 has been pretty bad, but this episode was simply brilliant (last week was great too). He's turning it around at the right time. Smits, Hunnam, even Rossi ... good acting. It was an extremely long episode, but it didn't feel that way. This episode was a great reminder of how fantastic this show has been at times! Can't wait to see how it ends.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Very good episode, one complaint and one observation. Complaint: Did Kurt really need to throw in that senseless Grand Theft Auto mission (and this time literally) towards the end? Hopefully we don't get another brush over on this one cause Jax faces 10 years for armed robbery there. Kinda screwed himself with that one.

Observation: Is Charlie even trying to conceal his accent anymore? He must have let it slip at least 10 times in that scene with Juice. If you play the "Jax breaks his accent" drinking game, last night was dangerous.

[Eastern Girl]

It was definitely a strong episode, good writing.

It was nice to see Jax acknowledge his mistakes and how his thirst for revenge led him to just make some rash decision which led to a number of deaths. What got annoying was how many times people kept asking Jax what was going on and he just kept saying it was family stuff and that he needed to talk to Gemma. Did no one connect any dots there? They really needed Jax to spell it out.

I liked that Juice just came clean. I thought he was going to protect Gemma or try and bargain to get out of his current predicament. I guess it may have been a bit of a release for him to finally just say the truth. A bit of redemption for him. I did actually feel somewhat bad for him for the first time since he went into prison.

I loved how when Jax told Nero about Gemma they first had a shot of Jax beginning the story and then mid sentence they cut to Nero, so you don't hear the story again. You just focus on Nero's reaction, and Gemma's just staring straight ahead. Really well done. He also got to say "Mano."

I like that Nero slowly became a sort of father figure to Jax. He never had a solid influence like Nero. Granted, Nero's also a criminal, but he seems to also have some boundaries and seems honourable as well. I liked the scene with Jax breaking down and Nero comforting him.

I could almost see this going the way of Jax dying. How can he possibly get things smoothed over for killing the other chapter's president? I doubt he wants prison. And after that car chase, there's no way there's a positive end. He's done some awful stuff. He fell into the same shoes that Clay wore. He killed people and innocent people died as a result of his actions.

I greatly enjoyed Unser finally saying something, putting his foot down with the club. He got punched for it, but thems the breaks I guess.

Really looking forward to the next episode. Too bad we have to wait a bit for it.

[mac_82]

After watching that I am convinced this will end 1 of 2 ways. Jax meets with the other charters and they rip his patch, he goes to start a life away from the club, and Marx ends him.

Or they get caught up with Marx, and the other charters decide to end Red Woody once and for all.

I was initially thinking only Uncer would survive to tell the tale, but now I think it might be Nero, or Juice ends up surviving because Jax doesn't have time to plan the prison hit.

[Madman]

Jax will end up putting it into the rock face like his Dad did.

They even eluded to the fact that JT committed suicide and it wasn't Clay and Jemma who ultimately did it.

[bigtmac19]

I really thought Jax was going to kill Gemma but now not so much. That was an excellent episode. I wonder if Gemma will survive after all, Jax will die and she will end up on the farm with Nero and the boys.

[nfotiu]

Originally Posted by bigtmac19

I really thought Jax was going to kill Gemma but now not so much. That was an excellent episode. I wonder if Gemma will survive after all, Jax will die and she will end up on the farm with Nero and the boys.

Gemma is so far beyond despicable, I sure hope she doesn't have a happy ending. No way the boys end up with her. That would be depressing.

[bigtmac19]

She is despicable, that's why I'm wondering if they are going to mess with all our heads and let her survive. I thought the way the season has gone, Jax would literally lose his mind with rage when he found her and just go to town on her, but now after that scene with Nero, I'm not so sure.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Gemma is either going to end up alone or Abel is going to kill her. Any ending where she ends up "winning" in any way will be a travesty and people will rightly crucify Sutter. It actually probably kills his new series before it even starts because what's the point of watching? His wife can't lose apparently.

I also agree that Jax's potential death might have been foreshadowed by Jury. I doubt he gets the Mayhem vote, I seriously hope his armed robbery doesn't just get dismissed and him ending in jail seems an unlikely ending. We'll find out soon enough.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

Gemma is either going to end up alone or Abel is going to kill her. Any ending where she ends up "winning" in any way will be a travesty and people will rightly crucify Sutter. It actually probably kills his new series before it even starts because what's the point of watching? His wife can't lose apparently.

I also agree that Jax's potential death might have been foreshadowed by Jury. I doubt he gets the Mayhem vote, I seriously hope his armed robbery doesn't just get dismissed and him ending in jail seems an unlikely ending. We'll find out soon enough.

I think Gemma lives to see Jax die and she loses everything that she wanted to protect from the beginning. I also like the idea out there that Wendy and Nero (the two that wanted out for so long) take the kids and go into hiding so that Gemma can't ever see them again. Gemma may live, but I wouldn't equate that with winning.

I don't see a way that Jax doesn't die though. Between all the gangs that want him dead, the police and maybe a possible suicide.. I don't see any way out for him. Personally, I think it comes from within and the Sons do him in.

[JonDuke]

I wonder if Gemma will be the one who kills Jax.
Either way, I still think Unser kills Gemma.

[GreenLantern]

I agree, Gemma has to die. She's had way to much time in this series as is, we need it to be justified with a glorious death!