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Iowa_Flames_Fan · 07-24-2009, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Calgaryborn

Again I ask: Why would a rational sober man attempt to kick his own door in if he locked himself out? Breaking a small window or calling a locksmith I can see but, not your own front door. Self control certainly isn't his fortia.

If you had done one of two things: read the police report or listened to Gates' comments, you would already know the answer to this question, which in any case isn't really relevant. I'll indulge you and answer it anyway.

Gates didn't attempt to kick his own door in. The door was jammed, and Gates went in through the back and tried to open it from inside while his driver attempted to force it from the outside. After they got the door open, Gates reclosed the door and went inside, where he presumably lost complete control of himself and became a dribbling racist lunatic hell-bent on making a scene the next chance he got.

Rerun · 07-24-2009, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Iowa_Flames_Fan

If you had done one of two things: read the police report or listened to Gates' comments, you would already know the answer to this question, which in any case isn't really relevant. I'll indulge you and answer it anyway.

Gates didn't attempt to kick his own door in. The door was jammed, and Gates went in through the back and tried to open it from inside while his driver attempted to force it from the outside. After they got the door open, Gates reclosed the door and went inside, where he presumably lost complete control of himself and became a dribbling racist lunatic hell-bent on making a scene the next chance he got.

Finally!!! You've seen the light!

Can I use the bolded part of your statement in my signature?

Calgaryborn · 07-24-2009, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Iowa_Flames_Fan

If you had done one of two things: read the police report or listened to Gates' comments, you would already know the answer to this question, which in any case isn't really relevant. I'll indulge you and answer it anyway.

Gates didn't attempt to kick his own door in. The door was jammed, and Gates went in through the back and tried to open it from inside while his driver attempted to force it from the outside. After they got the door open, Gates reclosed the door and went inside, where he presumably lost complete control of himself and became a dribbling racist lunatic hell-bent on making a scene the next chance he got.

Dual personalities??

Calgaryborn · 07-24-2009, 05:17 PM

Well even if IFF can find no fault with his president's action apparently Obama himself could:
President Barack Obama said Friday he used an unfortunate choice of words in commenting on the arrest of black scholar Henry Louis Gates Jr. and could have "calibrated those words differently." According to Drudge he also phoned the officer up; I imagine to apoligize. Incident over.

Rerun · 07-24-2009, 05:24 PM

"calibrated those words differently."

What the heck does that mean?

" According to Drudge he also phoned the officer up; I imagine to apoligize.

There you go... making assumptions. You have no idea what was said over the phone.

Azure · 07-24-2009, 05:41 PM

I wonder how fast people will forget about this.

Obama was hellbent on making it a HUGE issue(for what other reason would he go on national TV and call a police officer stupid)...and not it backfired on him.

Add it to the long list of things he has completely screwed up the past 6 months.

Which is probably why his approval rating is in a free-fall.

Azure · 07-24-2009, 05:45 PM

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CAMBRIDGE, Mass. (AP) — A black police officer who was at Henry Louis Gates Jr.'s home when the black Harvard scholar was arrested says he fully supports how his white fellow officer handled the situation.

Sgt. Leon Lashley says Gates was probably tired and surprised when Sgt. James Crowley demanded identification from him as officers investigated a report of a burglary. Lashley says Gates' reaction to Crowley was "a little bit stranger than it should have been."

Asked if Gates should have been arrested, Lashley said supported Crowley "100 percent."

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/s...,4731766.story

metallicat · 07-24-2009, 06:00 PM

What is Obama's approval rating anyway?

Azure · 07-24-2009, 06:03 PM

Not the real approval rating there....it only shows strongly approve/disapprove numbers. Which have been falling into the negative for a while now.

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At six months in office, Obama's 55% approval rating puts him 10th among the 12 post-World War II presidents at this point in their tenures. When he took office, he ranked seventh.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washing...-economy_N.htm

Calgaryborn · 07-24-2009, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Rerun

"calibrated those words differently."

What the heck does that mean?

" According to Drudge he also phoned the officer up; I imagine to apoligize.

There you go... making assumptions. You have no idea what was said over the phone.

My Assumption is based on the fact that the report didn't indicate the President being arrested for a krank call.

MelBridgeman · 07-24-2009, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Iowa_Flames_Fan

So... when asked to show me where in the police report officer Crowley claims that Gates was aggressive, you respond with:

1. He didn't step outside. (FYI--he's not required to)
2. He yelled.
3. He didn't show his ID.

One of two things is happening. Either you know that you were wrong, and are trying to muddy the waters, or you have no idea what "aggressive" means.

I'm guessing it's the first.

It's my interpretation, besides you been ripping apart the police report any chance you get...so what would it even matter if the word aggressive was in it? I think we are both "muddy the waters"..different interpretations that is all...

VladtheImpaler · 07-24-2009, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Azure

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/s...,4731766.story

Black on black racism I guess....

Iowa_Flames_Fan · 07-24-2009, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Calgaryborn

Well even if IFF can find no fault with his president's action apparently Obama himself could:
President Barack Obama said Friday he used an unfortunate choice of words in commenting on the arrest of black scholar Henry Louis Gates Jr. and could have "calibrated those words differently." According to Drudge he also phoned the officer up; I imagine to apoligize. Incident over.

Late to the party, dude. I posted a link to that earlier today. More confirmation that you don't bother to actually read the things people have posted here.

Look, this isn't hard: people link to information that will help people create informed opinions. But if you can't be bothered to read any of it, the information is useless to you--and in that case, you might just find a better use of your time than constantly being wrong on the internet.

metallicat · 07-24-2009, 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Iowa_Flames_Fan

Late to the party, dude. I posted a link to that earlier today. More confirmation that you don't bother to actually read the things people have posted here.

Look, this isn't hard: people link to information that will help people create informed opinions. But if you can't be bothered to read any of it, the information is useless to you--and in that case, you might just find a better use of your time than constantly being wrong on the internet.

456 replies to this thread, you don't think he could have just happened to miss the post?

Rerun · 07-24-2009, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by oilers_fan

456 replies to this thread, you don't think he could have just happened to miss the post?

Yep. I've been keeping up with this thread but haven't read every post.... thus I missed IFF's original post too.

Edit: Ah I found the original post ... which is perfectly understandable the way it was worded. If you didn't take time to click on the link you would have missed it too.

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Originally Posted by Iowa_Flames_Fan

Maybe this will satisfy those who think that the POTUS' comments make a lick of difference here:
http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/07/24/off...est/index.html

Though to me, his opinion remains about as important as it was before--which is to say, not very. I guess the clarification is valuable, but I don't really see what the pressing need was.

Iowa_Flames_Fan · 07-24-2009, 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by oilers_fan

456 replies to this thread, you don't think he could have just happened to miss the post?

For any other poster, sure. For him, part of a much longer pattern.

monkeyman · 07-24-2009, 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Iowa_Flames_Fan

For you and me, this situation may not be about race. For Gates, it most certainly was. Don't forget that it is Gates' contention that he produced ID as quickly as he could, and that he was arrested immediately upon stepping onto the porch, with no explanation. It's one of the key differences between the police report and Gates' testimony. So--for Gates it's about race. Doesn't mean it has to be for us, but looking at the context it's easy to see how Gates felt that it was.

However, there is a pretty clear issue of due process and civil rights here. Gates is within his rights in not wanting to step outside his house to have a conversation with an officer. He can easily have the conversation through his door. He is also within his rights to demand ID, and the officer must comply. Officer Crowley, according to both Gates and his own statement, did not.

Lastly, there is the right to speak freely and express your opinion, even to an officer of the law. We may or may not feel that Gates' accusation was justified. However, you must agree that he has the right to make the accusation, whether or not it is true. This has an important implication. Free speech doesn't mean "they can arrest you on trumped up charges, but they have to let you go later. Free speech means the freedom to speak your mind without fear of molestation or harassment from the authorities.

Let me put this another way: Gates may well have been wrong. He may well have been a jerk. He may even have been a racist--I wasn't there. But what he was not is a criminal. You can't arrest people without probable cause to believe that they have committed or will commit a crime. It's kind of an important plank in building a free society--it's one very important thing that differentiates us from a police state.

I knew you were a racist... you don't know who you're dealing with, you better watch out, you have no idea what your in for, you f'n racist.
just kidding.
And why did Gates step out onto his porch? to berate the cop, as he stated in his interview with CNN, he was going to get into the cops face. I agree, Gates did see this as a racial issue, he and only he. He let his pre conceived perception of what was happening dictate how he was going to behave, one which lead him to behave in a belligerent, defensive manner toward a cop who was doing what any good officer black or white should have done, question and id a suspect reported by a neighbor in a break and enter.

Iowa_Flames_Fan · 07-25-2009, 01:26 AM

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Originally Posted by monkeyman

And why did Gates step out onto his porch? to berate the cop, as he stated in his interview with CNN, he was going to get into the cops face. I agree, Gates did see this as a racial issue, he and only he. He let his pre conceived perception of what was happening dictate how he was going to behave, one which lead him to behave in a belligerent, defensive manner toward a cop who was doing what any good officer black or white should have done, question and id a suspect reported by a neighbor in a break and enter.

All that may be true, but it actually changes nothing. It's not a crime to "get in someone's face" and hurt their feelings. We may disagree with what Gates said and how he acted--that's fine. But the important piece of information here is that it is not a crime.

It's not a crime to be a jerk. If it were, there are a lot of days that I would be in jail.

jolinar of malkshor · 07-25-2009, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Iowa_Flames_Fan

All that may be true, but it actually changes nothing. It's not a crime to "get in someone's face" and hurt their feelings. We may disagree with what Gates said and how he acted--that's fine. But the important piece of information here is that it is not a crime.

It's not a crime to be a jerk. If it were, there are a lot of days that I would be in jail.

Actually it is if it is done in a public place. It has been posted many times on this thread that it is. Why can you not accept that fact? He was acting disorderly in a public place.

Azure · 07-25-2009, 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Iowa_Flames_Fan

All that may be true, but it actually changes nothing. It's not a crime to "get in someone's face" and hurt their feelings. We may disagree with what Gates said and how he acted--that's fine. But the important piece of information here is that it is not a crime.

It's not a crime to be a jerk. If it were, there are a lot of days that I would be in jail.

According to both cops at the scene, it was a crime....and he got arrested for it.