[Rumour] Chris Johnston: Lindholm is interested in staying

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by taxbuster

Scorched earth doesn't guarantee you anything either. Great policy if you're trying to defend your homeland and leave nothing for the enemy invaders. Not so good if you're actually trying to build something.

This is what scorched earth is:

FFS.

Name one forest fire where the forest doesn’t come back.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by jayswin

What are the other reasons? I've followed the Flames for over 30 years, but the underlying reasons has always been perhaps foolishly to see them win a Cup.

I follow them to follow them. I read articles, anticipate the draft, speculate about lineup changes and trades. Watch the occasional regular-season game. And get pumped up for playoff rounds when they happen. That’s about it. I also follow the rest of the league, have a few teams I keep tabs on. I just find it interesting.

Maybe I am a bandwagon fan now (though I think being a fan since ‘84 should bank some credit). A couple years ago I decided I was going to be a Man City fan because they’re a great team with great players. Am I as invested in them as a lifelong fan? No. But it was still fun to watch them win the triple this year.

I guess I just don’t take sports all that seriously anymore.

[Reign of Fire]

Originally Posted by Bonded

A bandwagon fan wouldn’t be posting on here. Maybe he just likes bull####ting on the internet and with friends about the Flames. He never said he didn’t want them to win

I am not saying he's one; just saying some of us are more invested in wanting to see them win (it's hard to watch 'em keep blowing opportunities)

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by kukkudo

For me it’s about long term and the road to build a legit championship contender. This happens all through solid drafting.

Unless you're Vegas

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Unless you're Vegas

Vegas has all the obvious advantages - weather, taxes, lifestyle, winning - but more than anything, their owner is all-in. His goal isn’t “make the playoffs”, his goal was “Stanley Cup”.

And he did it in six years.

“Make the playoffs and anything can happen” is the opposite of all in. It’s fence-sitting at its most uncomfortable.

It isn’t 1995. Quit acting like it.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Vegas has all the obvious advantages - weather, taxes, lifestyle, winning - but more than anything, their owner is all-in. His goal isn’t “make the playoffs”, his goal was “Stanley Cup”.

And he did it in six years.

“Make the playoffs and anything can happen” is the opposite of all in. It’s fence-sitting at its most uncomfortable.

It isn’t 1995. Quit acting like it.

Maybe Murray needs to publicly say the demand is a Stanley Cup, rather than this 2 home playoff dates memo that gets passed through Kelso or whatever his name is, year after year.

The low bar for the team has bled into everything else, including facilities.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

Maybe Murray needs to publicly say the demand is a Stanley Cup, rather than this 2 home playoff dates memo that gets passed through Kelso or whatever his name is, year after year.

The low bar for the team has bled into everything else, including facilities.

Maybe he needs to sell his stake in the team, if doing business like a real Stanley Cup contender is too rich for his blood.

I don’t get it. Pay Huberdeau $84M instead of slashing payroll for a couple years and getting some guys who can sell you jerseys for 10-15 years.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Maybe he needs to sell his stake in the team, if doing business like a real Stanley Cup contender is too rich for his blood.

I don’t get it. Pay Huberdeau $84M instead of slashing payroll for a couple years and getting some guys who can sell you jerseys for 10-15 years.

He could've enjoyed a very cheap roster after Matt and John left and one that would've been building towards a team that would get many home playoff dates every year.

Now he has another crack at the same opportunity, but I expect the memo will be retool, not rebuild.

For a wealthy guy he's kind of a doofus.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Scorched earth is better than what the Flames have done. Not that you are, but it is wild to see people be afraid of the Flames changing their approach. So stuck in their ways despite a complete lack of success in the last 3 decades - including, and more specifically, the entire modern era.

Who here is 'afraid'? I honestly am not sure what posts you're referring to. If the owner 's direction is to ice a competitive team that tries to make the playoffs, it is what it is.

If the direction is to burn it all down for draft picks and prospects, let's do it. Awesome. But it's not. Not yet, anyways. Maybe that changes this summer, we'll see.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

FFS.

Name one forest fire where the forest doesn’t come back.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/science/fore...ires-1.4444998

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

https://www.cbc.ca/news/science/fore...ires-1.4444998

LOL...I was waiting for something like this. There was a time when the Sahara was a lush Mediterranean style grassland. If you do enough significant damage to a landscape it doesn't come back the same. The Amazon rainforest does not grow back to become rainforest if you cut it down and replant it. The soil permanently changes after deforestation.

Not that this is a particularly great analogy for a hockey team's approach to building or anything, but ecosystems don't come back the same if you burn them down.



As for the topic, I think you have to keep a few core good players even if you're doing a retool/rebuild/whatever. I think there are enough with Huberdeau, Kadri, Weegar and Andersson that you could fill most of the roster with younger prospect players. I get the impetus to keep Lindholm, just so that the team remains respectably competitive, but at the same time, you could just as easily trade him at his peak value and recoup a lot of prime future assets. Bear in mind though, that if you trade him to a decent/good team for a 1st round pick plus whatever, that you will make that team better and your 1st round pick goes later and later in that round. If you trade Lindholm for a pick in the 20's, you'd better be sure you also get a can't miss blue chip prospect that's already been drafted. To me, this is the rub when trading good players away. You will never really get great value for that player. It's hard to get other teams to part with their high end prospects.

[Yoho]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1672458289689530368

[Moneyhands23]

Originally Posted by Yoho

https://twitter.com/user/status/1672458289689530368

Posting a tweet by a non insider of a CP post. That's a new one! Lol

[Yoho]

I found it funny.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Moneyhands23

Posting a tweet by a non insider of a CP post. That's a new one! Lol

Already nixed. What was it?

[aaronkarlpatton]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Already nixed. What was it?

I went to check too and it was deleted. I'm curious myself as to what it was.

Sent from my SM-G990W2 using Tapatalk

[iloveicedhockey]

It was a screenshot of dissentower's tweet from yesterday about where the flames and Lindy are at with regards to numbers. Stated dissentower's called a few things right.

[taxbuster]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Except for those talking “scorched earth” what they’re actually proposing is acquiring the seeds to plant for a better tomorrow.

Think you're wrong about that. The scorched earth crowd wants to chuck everybody, including Huby, Weegar and Kadri, Lindholm, Hanafin, Toffoli, Markstrom. There may also be others.

First: that's not going to happen without massive discounts and salary retentions and neither of those is going to provide "seeds".

Second: if everyone brought in is young....who is going to show them how to be professionals on the ice? (One of the small benefits of Looch.) Yes, the coaches will do that...but it's different on the ice.

You just can't dump everyone. There's a middle ground and it's - if done with care and thought and planning - the optimal path. I'm not smart enough to know what that is, but I'm pretty sure that the radical crap spewed on here by some posters isn't "it".

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by iloveicedhockey

It was a screenshot of dissentower's tweet from yesterday about where the flames and Lindy are at with regards to numbers. Stated dissentower's called a few things right.

Amazing hahaha. Ol Frankie and crew is going to be scouring these boards soon

[Spurs]

Originally Posted by taxbuster

Think you're wrong about that. The scorched earth crowd wants to chuck everybody, including Huby, Weegar and Kadri, Lindholm, Hanafin, Toffoli, Markstrom. There may also be others.

First: that's not going to happen without massive discounts and salary retentions and neither of those is going to provide "seeds".

Second: if everyone brought in is young....who is going to show them how to be professionals on the ice? (One of the small benefits of Looch.) Yes, the coaches will do that...but it's different on the ice.

You just can't dump everyone. There's a middle ground and it's - if done with care and thought and planning - the optimal path. I'm not smart enough to know what that is, but I'm pretty sure that the radical crap spewed on here by some posters isn't "it".

Adding players to show them how to be professionals is easy.

There would be plenty of guys still around that could do that- Weegar, Andersson, Coleman, Dube, Mangiapane at the very least. You can easily add 2-3 Lucic level guys to short term, cheap deals to fill out that group if you are concerned.