Lebrun: Flames "getting late in the process" of hiring a GM

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Has there been one credible report that GM candidates are not interested in the Calgary job?

Is not a reach that when a respected gm like treleving walks that it might dissuade the top candidates

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Would you say Frank is carrying water for Stan? Lol

Yeah, I would. My guess is that Seravalli is close enough to Bowman that he would get a lot of insider information if Bowman was a GM again.

[browna]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Is not a reach that when a respected gm like treleving walks that it might dissuade the top candidates

Ok, who are the top candidates? Serious question.

For many here there is some personal top candidates based on....whatever, from what they heard through the media, becuase other teams don't want to lose people.

For others top candidates are simply the ones that don't come here.
Dubas is really the only one out there, and he's not interviewing in Pittsburgh or Calgary. Bergevin has had success as a GM and helping in LA and he's interviewed in both. Etc etc

First time potential candidates in guys like this Tulsky and the AGM in Toronto have very specific backgrounds, and then, worked within varying levels of authority and different dynamics and structure of relationships with others in their organizations...so it's very hard to say who would be a good fit here or any other organization if there isn't actual NHL GM experience to back up credentials. They may do well but with no degree of certainty can any fan know how those supposed guys that don't want to come here would fit in the Flames or anywhere else...so are they really top candidates?

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Is not a reach that when a respected gm like treleving walks that it might dissuade the top candidates

He walked, but we dont know why for sure.

Maloney hinted pretty strongly it was because BT was burned out. Now was he burned from any more jobs right now or just Calgary?

Different things IMO, and not truly indicative of proof of anything specific.

[Toonage]

Tre says he was burned out but denied the extension at the start of last season and if he shows up in Toronto in a few weeks we'll know that was ultimately a lie.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by transplant99

He walked, but we dont know why for sure.

Maloney hinted pretty strongly it was because BT was burned out. Now was he burned from any more jobs right now or just Calgary?

Different things IMO, and not truly indicative of proof of anything specific.

Burned out would be the classy explanation that BT allowed the team to give. But if he resurfaces immediately that puts a lot of holes in that. I agree we don't know, so I'm just stating what I believe and what insiders here have talked about in terms of things the owners have not allowed for over the years.
I suspect it came down to him not be aligned to the owners direction and/or lack of true autonomy to execute the plan he wanted.

IMHO.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Burned out would be the classy explanation that BT allowed the team to give. But if he resurfaces immediately that puts a lot of holes in that. I agree we don't know, so I'm just stating what I believe and what insiders here have talked about in terms of things the owners have not allowed for over the years.
I suspect it came down to him not be aligned to the owners direction and/or lack of true autonomy to execute the plan he wanted.

IMHO.

If that's case, I wonder what kind of word trickery he will use. Another club isn't going to want to hire someone who said just a few weeks ago that he was burnt out, especially not the Leafs. Saying you left because you didn't want to work within the parameters your employers set doesn't sound like a great answer either, especially considering that the Leafs front office operates in a similar way.

There was smoke about Treliving going to Toronto all season long. It seems like a lot of people were predicting that it might be his intention to leave the Flames for Toronto. It will be interesting to see if that indeed plays out.

[Roof-Daddy]

When did Treliving ever say he was "burnt out"

Answer = never

He hasn't spoken to the media at all.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Tre says he was burned out but denied the extension at the start of last season and if he shows up in Toronto in a few weeks we'll know that was ultimately a lie.

I absolutely believe the last 12 months were draining for Treliving. He had to go through the Gaudreau and Tkachuk situations and then his head coach having a nuclear meltdown over a full season to which he was mostly powerless to stop the bleeding. That said the Leafs job is once in a lifetime job for a lot of these guys and I'm sure after a month or two off the job he's itching to get back into the game.

[Toonage]

Burned out is a broad excuse. Burned out by the market or the GM role in general? My belief it was the market. He was tired of being here. But not tired of the work. I think he leaps at the Leafs job if offered.

Maloney/Bean sold it as if he was burned out by being a GM.

So yes I agree the past 12 months were tough but I think he enjoys a challenge but was sick of the particular challenges Calgary presented.

[powderjunkie]

At this point he's had 5 weeks off with absolutely no responsibilities and stressful return hanging over his head.

Hard to say how long one needs to recover from burnout...every situation is unique, and obviously 'burnout' is pretty ambiguous.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Is not a reach that when a respected gm like treleving walks that it might dissuade the top candidates

How badly did the Flames want him back? We don’t know what their contract offer was or what the discussions were like.

[mile]

Friedman: Conroy is a serious contender, will know by next week

[bluejays]

The challenge I have with Conroy is simply, why do we think anyone internal is the best candidate? In hockey, is there a crazy necessity to know the inside of the organization? If you work for a large corporation such as a bank there is a complexity to hiring an outsider because of the various complex departments/products/services. In hockey I imagine you have some broad departments but organization to organization, the product is the same as are the departments (more or less). So why do we have to hire internally? This shouldn't be a loyalty award should it?

[Reign of Fire]

Originally Posted by mile

Friedman: Conroy is a serious contender, will know by next week

It's good as long as he brings a fresh perspective and isn't just hired to carry on the status quo

[Flames_Gimp]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

How badly did the Flames want him back? We don’t know what their contract offer was or what the discussions were like.

Flames said Brad departure was mutual, they didn't want him back

[Flames_Gimp]

Originally Posted by mile

Friedman: Conroy is a serious contender, will know by next week

an experiment with someone without gm experience? please no, they always do this kind of thing, i want an experienced gm who has built a winner.

Connie is awesome but not experienced at the gm position as far as I know

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Flames_Gimp

an experiment with someone without gm experience? please no, they always do this kind of thing, i want an experienced gm who has built a winner.

Connie is awesome but not experienced at the gm position as far as I know

I don’t think there’s really one of those on the market.

Bowman isn’t that - he didn’t build it, and did a poor job of managing it as time went on.

Most winners have been built by guys who either mismanaged a team into the top of the draft, or rebuilt teams but couldn’t “finish the job’ and then got let go before the fruits of their labour paid off.

[bluejays]

Conroy becomes a bit more appealing if they sell off assets and go into talent evaluation mode for a rebuild through the draft. If you're trying to make hard decisions over the next couple seasons, including who to buy and sell and sell and get a high value in return, I'd want someone else. I don't think Conroy has it in him to make an astute move to rob another team.

[Flames_Gimp]

i'm very worried they are making the same mistakes, hopefully there's an experienced person who wants a challenge. I'm worried it will be like when Sutter was GM, I never cared for his gm attempt