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Old 04-30-2023, 01:40 AM   #441
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Not sure about the Flames but I'm told there are a lot of teams interested in Daliber Dvorsky and could end up being a higher pick than thought.
Dvorsky started off slow at the U-18 tournament, but he now sits at 5th in scoring (and tied for 2nd in goals), with 7 goals and 12 points in 6 games- even more impressive, considering he plays for Slovakia.
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Dvorsky started off slow at the U-18 tournament, but he now sits at 5th in scoring (and tied for 2nd in goals), with 7 goals and 12 points in 6 games- even more impressive, considering he plays for Slovakia.
Looking at some of the reports on him his game is much like Lindholm's, great shot, a responsible 2-way center. and he's built solid, highly doubt he falls far enough for the Flames though, I hear Washington and Detroit have been scouting him a lot lately.
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Old 04-30-2023, 02:59 AM   #443
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Looking at some of the reports on him his game is much like Lindholm's, great shot, a responsible 2-way center. and he's built solid, highly doubt he falls far enough for the Flames though, I hear Washington and Detroit have been scouting him a lot lately.
Yeah, I don't see any way he makes it out of the top-10.
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I really hope the Flames don't focus on a big, 2-way, 200 foot, kind of player.

Get a fast, offensive, skilled player.
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I hope the Flames can move Lindholm to Washington for their 1st. Ovi wants another cup
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Dvorskys issue seems to be similar to Ruzickas in just keeping the motor going at all times on the ice. Other than that, easily to a top pick innthe draft. I've read the knocks on Dvorsky and the skills outweigh the knocks.
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I like him, he can play a nice power style, and seems to show up in big games.
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More Draft thoughts:

-Koehn Ziemmer might be the second-best draft-eligible player coming from the Prince George Cougars, but he's one of the top power-forwards in this year's draft. He reminds me a lot of USA's Ryan Leonard, in that both players are 6'0", but both play like they're 6'3". Ziemmer likes the physical play, and isn't afraid of the dirty areas. In 50/50 confrontations, it is usually Ziemmer coming out with the puck, being both tenacious, and deceptively strong. He knows how to use his body well, and how to separate his man from the puck, and his speed helps him to break up rushes and plays inside the zone, including the cycle. Very good anticipation, IQ, and positioning, and causes many turnovers. On the other side of the rink, he has top-tier hockey sense, and playmaking ability, to go with one of the best shots in the draft. Very good puckhandler, with excellent puck-protection, and can make the highlight reel with his playmaking, or shot. Goes to the net hard looking for garbage, or screen the goalie. 89 points in 68 games, and I wouldn't fault anyone who chose this kid over his teammate, Riley Heidt.

-LW Carson Rehkopf is a 6'3" power forward who dazzles with his speed, and NHL-calibre shot. His release is lightning-quick, and he can get it off from the rush. 30 goals, and 59 points in 68 games for Kitchener of the OHL. Uses his size and stength to be a force in all 3 zones, and down low. He's a titan in front of the net. Has shown plenty of defensive acumen, and playmaking ability, but lacks consistency in those areas. He also lacks consistency and intensity in his physical ability- he can unleash big hits, and outmuscle most players, but he doesn't always do it. Needs time to work on the accuracy of his shot.

-It will be interesting to see where LW Daniil But is chosen on Draft day. He has some first-round attributes, and most of his skills are translatable to the NHL. First off, But is 6'5", and skates very well for a player his size. He has an amazing top speed, but the problem is- it takes him a bit longer to get up to that speed. His acceleration and start-up are a bit sluggish, and he's still a little awkward-looking, with improvements needed in his mechanics in order to achieve more balance and agility. Some of this will come naturally, as he gets stronger, and some will be cleared up with a skating coach- still some surprising mobility from a player that huge.If you watch his highlights, you'll be impressed. His puck skills are said to be high-end, with great stickhandling, passing, and puck protection. The asset that's mentioned most aside from his mobility, is his shot, which is already NHL-calibre. To go with this, is his deception and release- he uses head fakes, and stick trickery to fool opposing goalies and defenders, and he can get off shots lightning quick. But will use his size and strength to bull his way to the middle of the ice, to front of the net, or in the corners and half-wall in order to hold off checkers, but he is surprisingly not that physical, and lacks edge in his game- otherwise, he would be an absolute force. He might be more of a goal-scorer, but some say he might be one of the best playmakers in this draft. His abilities and size made him an option for the KHL, where he spent 15 games, more than many of his peers, and he had 32 points in 32 games in the Russian junior league- top-10 in scoring for players under-18, top-6 in ppg for that age group.

-Gracyn Sawchyn is a right-handed C for the powerhouse Seattle Thunderbirds, and put up 58 points in 58 games playing 2nd and 3rd line duties behind some older, talented offensive players. Sawchyn is one of those players who doesn't do anything at an elite level, but he also has no weaknesses. He skates quite well, but it's augmented by his high motor and compete level. He does a lot of the little things a team needs to win-he's tenacious and aware in all zones, and is an excellent defensive player, with a penchant for causing turnovers, and frustrating opponents, taking away time and space. He forechecks and backchecks hard, and similarly, he's equally good on both sides of the transition. He's smart, has vision and IQ, but keeps it relatively simple, and doesn't try to do too much- his shot and passing game are not necessarily high-end, but he gets the job done. If he were on a different team, with more minutes, this kid might just be first-round material.

-C Connor Levis is ranked as a "B" prospect by Central Scouting, meaning they see him going in the 2nd round, or early in the 3rd. This is already his 3rd year with the Blazers, being their 20th overall pick in the 2019 WHL Draft. This year, he put up an impressive 67 points in 68 games, centering the 2nd line with Leafs prospect, Fraser Minten. Levis is considered a bit raw, and a long-term prospect, but he already exhibits a fast, powerful skating stride, on a 6'2" frame. He employs a power-forward style, with good hockey sense, physicality, and a solid shot. He is defensively aware, but still needs some work in this area.

-LW Nico Myatovic had 60 points this year (including 30 goals) in 68 games for a deep Seattle Thunderbirds team, but what's more impressive is that 49 of those points came 5 vs 5. Myatovic is a 6'2" power-forward whose skating is quite good- very good straight-line, but with lateral mobility, and good edges. He's known for his work in the slot, and gets a lot of his goals off of tips and rebounds, and provides a big screen. Very good finding open spaces in front of the net, creates seams to recieve passes, and has the speed to join the cycle from that vantage point. Likes the dirty areas, forechecks hard, and does a lot of the dirty work along the boards, corners, and net-front, and has a good stick with a long reach. Myatovic also works hard in his own zone, using his stick, speed, and physicality to kill plays, and separate man from puck. Pressures well, and takes away space from attackers. Hard and aggressive in the middle of the ice, and at the points to create turnovers. Provides good support for his D, and other teammates. Good at snuffing out rushes by attacking the puck-carrier. Seems to have a projectable game to the NHL, and I would bet on him going in round 2. I really like this player.

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I really hope the Flames don't focus on a big, 2-way, 200 foot, kind of player.

Get a fast, offensive, skilled player.
Has Sutter been fired?
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I really hope the Flames don't focus on a big, 2-way, 200 foot, kind of player.

Get a fast, offensive, skilled player.
In all fairness, Dvorsky is all of the above. He's a big, 2-way, 200-ft player, plus he's also a fast, offensive, skilled player. I would hate to compare him to Barkov, but he plays that style.
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I hope the Flames can move Lindholm to Washington for their 1st. Ovi wants another cup
I can see Ovi going to Leonsis asking to making them team competitive now, maybe not for another cup but help in getting the record.
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If Lindholm is made available, there could be teams lining up for him. Washington wants to move on from Kuznetsov and Mantha, so if they can make some moves, I could see a player like Lindholm being at the top of the list.

It looks like Bergeron is retiring from Boston, plus they have UFA's in Bertuzzi, Orlov, and Foligno. Who would be a reasonable replacement for Bergeron? Lindy perhaps.
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Draft thoughts, post U-18's:

-Will Smith is tied for the 2nd best points total (20) in the history of the tourney, while Perreault is 5th (18), and Leonard is 9th (17). My thoughts on the Americans, from April 23rd:

There's no doubt in my mind that Will Smith is firmly entrenched as the first pick outside the big 4, in this year's draft. He doesn't really have any weaknesses. He's an excellent skater who plays with elite pace, but his stickhandling is sublime- he could do it in a broom closet, all of which combine to make him an intimidating force to defenders. His brain is always a step ahead, which allows him to outpace opponents, and create space for himself and his teammates, and he makes high-end plays in transition and off the rush. I've heard him called a goal-scorer, but I think he's kind of equal parts scorer and playmaker. Moves seemingly effortlessly through traffic. Scouts rave about his small-area game, and he uses all kinds of deception (head fakes, jukes, eye fakes, etc) to stay unpredictable. As good as he is on the attack, he's just as good in the defensive zone.

-Gabe Perrault is not the biggest, or fastest, but his skill, vision, and IQ are all elite. His stats in this, his draft year, are pretty comparable to those of Jack Hughes'. The main difference between the 2 players, other than Hughes playing the more important C position, is the skating- Hughes has always been elite, while GP has room for improvement in that area. GP is also not as good a defensive player as he could be. He's another guy who's equally goal-scorer as he is playmaker IMO, as he shoots a lot, but he's an amazing passer-he finds the seams just as good as anybody. His shooting arsenal is vast, and he can beat goalies in a number of ways. I think he might be a riser on Draft day.

-Ryan Leonard is a player I like very much. His passing ability, vision, and IQ were on display today. I'm very impressed with his playmaking. Button said on the play-by-play that the Smith/ Perrault/ Leonard line from the USDP is the best line by far in Junior hockey anywhere in the world, and I believe him. Leonard is not huge, but he plays a power-forward style- fights hard along the boards, plays heavy, and muscles opponents off the puck. Already plays a very well-rounded, mature two-way game, with speed, and good motor. He's more of a goal-scorer, but he's no slouch in the playmaking department.

-Oliver Moore had a goal, and an assist today. This is the guy I wanted to see, as he's the USDP Player I'm least sure about. He's interesting, because he put up good numbers on the USDP Juniors squad, while playing on the second line. He's wearing an "A" for USA today. He's listed at 5'11", plays C, and might be the fastest player in this year's draft. Best part might be that he looks to have a very well-rounded game, and uses his speed to disrupt plays, and frustrate puck-carriers. Blistering speed, blistering shot, won't be outworked. Maybe a little Matt Barzal there? Excellent in transition, and zone entry.

-Danny Nelson looks like he will make a good 3rd line C. He moves fairly well, especially for a big man, has good hands, and a wicked shot with a nice release. He does a lot of the dirty work for his team, winning battles along the boards, and playing a solid two-way game. Bit of a meat-and-potatoes guy.
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This draft class is crazy good, I keep wondering is a guy like Andrew Cristall falls in the Flames lap due to size, immensely talented and plays bigger than his size, in most drafts he would be top 5.


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I thought #22 Antoine Wahlberg really stood out for Sweden. He's big, fast, and has some really sick hands. Wonder if he might fall down low enough where we could take him with our 2nd.
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There's no doubt in my mind that Will Smith is firmly entrenched as the first pick outside the big 4, in this year's draft. He doesn't really have any weaknesses. He's an excellent skater who plays with elite pace, but his stickhandling is sublime- he could do it in a broom closet, all of which combine to make him an intimidating force to defenders. His brain is always a step ahead, which allows him to outpace opponents, and create space for himself and his teammates, and he makes high-end plays in transition and off the rush. I've heard him called a goal-scorer, but I think he's kind of equal parts scorer and playmaker. Moves seemingly effortlessly through traffic. Scouts rave about his small-area game, and he uses all kinds of deception (head fakes, jukes, eye fakes, etc) to stay unpredictable. As good as he is on the attack, he's just as good in the defensive zone.
Shame he won't be a King or Panther, the Fresh Prince of Bel Air / Going to Miami joke would have been funny
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it's a shame L.A. or the Panthers won't get him, the Miami / Bel Air jokes would have written themselves.
His ranking on most of the scouting reports puts him right around Philly's spot if they don't win the lottery.
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I would love for the flames to get more picks. I think this draft can get you some good future pieces. This team needs more 3rd rounders in this draft. Hope they can find some without giving up too much
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Draft thoughts, post U-18's:

-Otto Stenberg opened my eyes this tournament. Looking at his stats back home in Sweden, he didn't seem like a potential first-rounder to me, but he put up one of the top U-18 performances of all time, with 16 points in 7 games, after only managing 26 points in 29 J20 Liiga games. For context, U-18 teammate, and fellow 2023 Draft-eligible Noah Dower-Nilsson had 54 points in 37 J20 Liiga games, on the same team (Frolunda). Fact is, Stenberg played 23 SHL games (with 3 points), which is a great sign for a kid his age, and Frolunda, being one of the top teams in the J20, has plenty of 18, 19, and 20 year olds to bury a 17 yo like Stenberg. He was also deployed on his off-wing, after spending his previous career at C, with the hope that having the inside lane would augment his shot. It's obvious from watching him, that he's worthy of a first-rounder. Stenberg might not have size on his resume, but his skill, IQ, and vision are all elite. He's a very well-rounded player, and uses his skill and smarts in all 3 zones. He can drive play, plays with pace, and seems to be equally a play-maker and shooter. Excellent skater, with top-tier stickhandling, making him a killer in 1-on-1 situations. Look for him later in the first round.

-Dalibor Dvorsky started slow, but came on as the tourney went along, showing up in big games, with not as much talent around him as other teams. Big kid, skates very well, plays a tight 200-ft game. Has the speed to blow past defenders, and make plays off the rush. Best of all, is that he has a nose for the net, and is a gifted goal-scorer. His shot is NHL ready, whether it's a slapper, wrister, one-timer, or backhander. Plays with a bit of power in his game, and uses his size in battle, whether it's on the forecheck, or to separate man from puck. Not at all afraid of traffic, or the dirty areas. He has high IQ and vision, and can also make high-end plays. Top-10 all day.

-Matt Wood was Canada's second-leading scorer (7 goals and 13 points in 7 games), behind 16 yo Macklin Celebrini, but he came as advertised, and stood out in a good way every time he was on the ice. He was simply dominant. He's a shoot-first power-forward, with size (6'4"), and a nose for the net, with an impressive shooting arsenal. Skating needs a bit of work, particularly his acceleration, but it's not close to being as bad as people say it is. I wouldn't be scared off from drafting him because of his skating.

-I wouldn't be at all surprised to see ASP being the first defenseman taken. The ASP-Theo Lindstein pairing was the best in the tournament, and Sweden's offense seemed to flow through them. ASP is not just your typical "Modern-day defenseman", as he's much more dynamic than that. This is the type of player that has a chance to be up in the Stratoshere with the likes of a Makar, or Karlsson. His U-18 production this year, with 11 points in 7 games, is tied for the sixth-best of all time. His production in the J20 Liiga this year (36 points in 31 games, 1.16 ppg) is 4th-best all-time for an under-18 player, and his ppg were better than Karlsson's. He's stunningly fast, a sublime stickhandler, elite vision and IQ, but maybe best of all- he shows a defensive conscience as well. He's good against the rush, uses his stick to break up plays, and has good gap control. Fantastic transitional player, and he's often the first in the zone. Knows when to activate, and is a good shooter. Needs to get stronger, but will never be a physical player.

-Kasper Halttunen was another player that opened eyes in this tourney, although some perceptions need to be muted, as it IS a competition where all the players are 17 or under. Halttunen was dominant at times, and showed off some very impressive skating, especially for a guy who is 6'3". Like Wood, he's very much a shoot-first power-forward, but his shot is elite- hard, heavy, and accurate. He has the offensive awareness though, to make plays and drive the offense. He knows how to use his size to bull his way around, and attacks the net, but also has two-way acumen. Can play a physical game, but is inconsistent in this regard. 1st-rounder is still my bet.

-RW Felix Unger Sorum might have raised his draft stock more than anyone, with his performance in this tournament. He had the enviable task of riding shotgun with Otto Stenberg, but he was able to show off his hard-working, playmaking style, as well as his defensive awareness. Sorum skates well, but is not a burner, and his offensive skillset makes him an equally good passer, as shooter, with a quick, deceptive release. Works hard on and off the puck, and can play both sides of special teams, but isn't a physical player. 10 points in 7 games in the tourney, and 46 points in 42 J20 games- pretty good production. Still a bit raw, and the youngest player in the draft, being born a day before the cut-off.

-C David Edstrom was a favorite of mine to watch. He's 6'3", and has a knack for being in the right place at all times. His skills are all average, or slightly above, but his IQ and vision are quite good. He moves well for a player his size, but needs more explosiveness in his stride. He's not particularly flashy, but can find seams for high-end passes, and knows where to go to open those seams to recieve. Plays a well-rounded, mature 3-zone game, and his attention to defense makes life easier for teammates. He can play a physical game at times. His compete is inconsistent at times, and he needs work on his shot, but he seems like a safe pick. Edstrom played 11 games with men in the SHL, and reportedly aquitted himself very well. Pegged for the 3rd round.

-C Calum Ritchie was Canada's 3rd best player, with 9 points in 7 games, but he's still a favorite of mine. He started the tournament slow, like most of the team, but looked more like himself later on. Ritchie has a bit of everything- he's a good skater, has size, top-notch offensive instincts, and two-way acumen. Great stickhandler and shooter, plays a physical game, and is not afraid of competing in the dirty areas, or in front of the net. Reads the play well, and is always in the right position. He owns a hard, heavy, accurate shot, with a deceptive release, but can also make high-end plays. Has the quickness, anticipation, and stickhandling to carry or pass in transition. Needs explosiveness in his skating, and more consistency in his physical game.

-D Tom Willander was Sweden's second-leading scorer from the blueline after Sandin-Pellikka, with 8 points in 7 games. He reminds me of 2020 Detroit second-rounder, William Wallinder (yes, I see the similarity in their names), in that they are both calm and steady, go about their business quietly. Very mobile in all directions. He's able to play well in all situations anywhere on the ice, and can play both sides of special teams, and both sides of transition. He can lead the rush into the O zone, but knows when to back off and switch to defense, to snuff the rush. Great awareness all over the ice. He shoots well, knows when to activate, and is a crisp, accurate passer. Like Wallinder, he could develop his offense a bit in the pros. Potential second-rounder. Very dependable player.

-C Zeb Forsfjall is only 5'9", but he's not afraid to be a difference-maker. He started the tournament strong, but cooled off a bit, finishing at 8 points in 7 games. At times, he was a play-driver and offensive facillitator. At worst, he's a competitive, 200-ft player who's versatile enough to play both special teams. Excellent skater, very elusive and shifty, with a quick change of pace. He backchecks and forechecks hard, despite his size, moves the puck well, and makes crisp zone entries with control. More of a playmaker than shooter, but his shot is pretty meh-perhaps needs a little work. He also needs to bulk up and get stronger, as he's quite slight, and can't get very involved in the physical game. He can get pushed around a bit, too. Definitely didn't wow in the J20, with only 8 goals and 22 points in 34 games for Skelleftea, yet played 17 SHL games. 3rd/4th round.

-I would have to say that left-shooting RW Eduard Sale had a disappointing tournament, but in his defense, he didn't have much to work with. His 4 goals and 6 points in 5 games led the Czechs, and the next highest scorer on the team had 4 points. Back home, Sale played most of the season with men in Czechia's top league, with 14 points in 43 games, which seems paltry, but he led all players under the age of 20 by 8 points. Not too long ago, I read an article that compared Sale's style to that of Taylor Hall, and now when I watch him play, that's all I see. Like Hall, Sale is 6'1", is a speedster, but plays a rather non-flashy game. He doesn't make any risky plays, just smart and efficient ones. Great hands, and elite vision and anticipation- he's both goal-scorer and playmaker. His shot is hard and accurate, and his passes are crisp. He gets involved in transition, and can skate it in on his own, cleanly and crisply. He's not a stalwart defensively right now, so he'll need to grow in this area. He does exhibit good positioning in this area though. Still looks top-10 to me.

-Winger Emil Jarventie had 6 points in 5 games. He's undersized, at 5'10", but plays a fairly explosive offensive game. His shot is lethal, and his offensive instincts are his bread and butter, and he exhibits excellent hockey sense and IQ. He can pull off passes that few others can-through traffic, and at at long distance. His feet are quick, even explosive in close quarters, but he could use work on his top speed. He works hard, doesn't shy away from battling in hard areas, and has a good motor. His stickhandling is another strength, and he has plenty of 1-on-1 shiftiness. Pretty small, and not very strong, but he forechecks hard, and takes punishment in front of the net. Jarventie played 21 games with 19 points this season in the J20, but spent even more time in the men's leagues, with stops in the Mestis (where he put up an impressive 7 points in 19 games, 12th for players under 20, and first for players under 18- the other players in his age group played 3 games or less), and 15 games in the Liiga. His defensive game needs some work. Look for him in the 3rd round.

-Everyone wants a big C who can move, and that's just what 6'3" Anton Wahlberg is. He was one of my favorite players in the U-18's, with 6 points in 7 games. He's somewhat of a meat-and-potatoes guy, but he also has some flashy, even explosive qualities. The goal he scored to break the 3-3 tie with Slovakia (eventual game-winner) was him intercepting the puck just inside the offensive zone along the boards, cutting to the middle, and whipping the puck in, top corner, from just inside the circle. Obviously, his shot and release are elite, and might be his best asset. Wahlberg is a good skater too, and uses his size well on the forecheck, below the dots, in front of the net, and in the greasy areas. Very physical, competes hard in all zones, and finishes his checks- looks like a bull in a china shop. He is adept at finding open space to recieve passes, or to unleash his shot. His offensive instincts are quite good, but he could use a little more creativity. 27 points in 32 J20 games, and spent 17 games in the SHL. Maybe late second-round, early third.

-Emil Jarventie had more ppg in the U-18's than Noah Dower-Nilsson (6 points in 7 games), and maybe more ice-time and opportunity, but for my money, NDN is a much better player. NDN had exemplary numbers for Frolunda's J20 team, one of the top teams on that circuit, with 54 points in 37 games- good enough for 7th in the entire league, although his 1.46 ppg were 3rd in the top-20, which is extremely impressive, especially for a 17 yo. He is a 6'0" Center, with elite sense and creativity, and the stickhandling and elusiveness to beat most defenders 1-on-1. Very fast and agile, with the ability to dart in and out of traffic, and change direction on a dime. He has a quick, accurate shot, and makes crisp passes seemingly out of nowhere. Like Jarventie, he can find teammates with passes that few others would be able to pull off. Basically, while he's capable of making mistakes, he's still a lights-out offensive player with high level skills and IQ. Defensively, he's not as good, but he's not bad either. He works diligently in his own zone, has a good stick, and exhibits good positioning. He has the speed and tenacity to take away time and space from opponents. Still could use a little work in this area. Second-rounder all day.


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