it was just the feeling of knowing hundreds of thousands of lives could have been spared if one Jedi just put his big boy pants on and did what needed to be done.
I don’t know I think it would have been a by far worse outcome for the galaxy had Vader died there. The emperor would have just found a new apprentice to do his bidding and in the end the person who killed him(sorta, thanks Disney) in return of the Jedi wouldn’t have been around to do so.
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Yeah also really liked the last episode. Right up there with the best episodes of the mandalorian. About as much as I'd expect from any SW tv episode. Not much I'd change.....lol.... Well maybe I thought obi's boulder storm was slightly overpowered, but it did look cool and fit the flow of the fight.
I don’t know I think it would have been a by far worse outcome for the galaxy had Vader died there. The emperor would have just found a new apprentice to do his bidding and in the end the person who killed him(sorta, thanks Disney) in return of the Jedi wouldn’t have been around to do so.
I always thought that too. It was always Vader's purpose to give Luke the assist against the emperor. That was the only way to bring balance to the force, and everything had to happen the way it did.
Without Luke's emotional connection to Vader, and seeing how the dark side destroyed his own father, maybe Luke gets seduced by the dark side. And no way Luke defeats Palpatine without Vader's help.
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That Reva character was so annoying throughout the whole series. I wanted it to end with Obi using the force to interrupt her mid-swing and then destroying her while Luke was passed out.
Also, as soon as Vader's helmet cracked open I was like... yep here it is. He's gonna see Anakin and put his sabre away. I mean, obviously Vader wasn't going to die... it was just the feeling of knowing hundreds of thousands of lives could have been spared if one Jedi just put his big boy pants on and did what needed to be done.
Name a more iconic duo than "Jedi" and "not finishing the job."
Everything else aside, though, I enjoyed the series. Final episode was by far the best one.
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That Reva character was so annoying throughout the whole series. I wanted it to end with Obi using the force to interrupt her mid-swing and then destroying her while Luke was passed out.
Also, as soon as Vader's helmet cracked open I was like... yep here it is. He's gonna see Anakin and put his sabre away. I mean, obviously Vader wasn't going to die... it was just the feeling of knowing hundreds of thousands of lives could have been spared if one Jedi just put his big boy pants on and did what needed to be done.
Name a more iconic duo than "Jedi" and "not finishing the job."
Everything else aside, though, I enjoyed the series. Final episode was by far the best one.
Not to nitpick too much because I actually really liked the arc of Reva but it did seem a little...hamfisted and hokey.
The idea was good. The execution? Not so much.
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I don’t know I think it would have been a by far worse outcome for the galaxy had Vader died there. The emperor would have just found a new apprentice to do his bidding and in the end the person who killed him(sorta, thanks Disney) in return of the Jedi wouldn’t have been around to do so.
I went the same way. Its like a discussion about Economics or murdering Baby Hitler. The outcome isnt necessarily going to be different just by changing one variable.
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Not to nitpick too much because I actually really liked the arc of Reva but it did seem a little...hamfisted and hokey.
The idea was good. The execution? Not so much.
I went the same way. Its like a discussion about Economics or murdering Baby Hitler. The outcome isnt necessarily going to be different just by changing one variable.
They spent far too much time showing Reva as a child victim not to give her some kind of redemption arc. It was all overly projected. All just seemed a bit pointless. She never came across as a menacing that. We know she wasn't going to kill Vader, Luke, Leia, or even the Grand Inquisitor. Her role was just to throw a tantrum for six straight episodes and make angry faces. She didn't really fit into the main Obi/Vader narrative, and her own story was predictable and not that interesting.
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Its an interesting question, what would have happened if Kenobi would have killed Vader, what would have the outcome been after that.
Its likely that Obi-Wan would have followed his path that he lived. Would Sidious have been able to find a new apprentice. He wouldn't have trusted Maul not to betray him. He probably would have looked at the Grand Inquistor and taken an interest in training him.
The events of A new hope would have probably still continued, with Kenobi still needing to sacrifice himself to help our hero's escape from the Death Star.
Lets be honest, by the time that Vader and Luke entered the end point of their fight on Bespin, Vader had changed. That spark of Anakin had seen his son and I think he didn't have the desire to kill him. However if Sidious had found a new apprentice with no attachments to Luke, and with Luke not being completely trained. Sidious' apprentice wouldn't have hesitated, or tried to convince Luke to join him. The Apprentice wouldn't have hesitated to kill Luke off.
Even then, we have to remember that Anakin was at the center of the Force Prophesy, that he would bring balance to the Force. With Vader's death by Obi-Wan that dosen't automatically mean that the balance of the Force would have shifted to the Light side. Its more then likely that the Force would have remained in darkness until the Force created another prohesized chosen one.
Even then, lets say that Luke had survived his encounter with Sidious' new apprentice. Lets say that Luke was bought before Sidious on the New Death Star, would Sidious have tried the same seduction attempt on Luke? Would the Sith Apprentice have no conflict and couldn't see him betraying his master.
The fear is that killing a Hitler would more then likely not had an effect of preventing WW2, that was was inevitable. Would killing Vader have saved millions of lives, no probably not, and Vader's death in the grand scheme of things lead to Sidious winning at the end of the day and eternal darkness.
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Everything with Obi-Wan and Vader was great. Especially the fight - though I wish we might’ve seen Obi-Wan regain his abilities a little more before that. Everything with Reva was mostly dumb, especially her going from dying and abandoned on one planet to mostly okay and on an entirely different planet the next scene.
But I’m willing to overlook it for how cool the rest of it was. We even got a “hello there” which made the whole thing worthwhile.
Call me sappy, but I have to say that one of the best things about this series is seeing the interveiws with Hayden and Ewan, where they are genuienly happy and enthusiastic about this and want more. Hayden really left under a cloud, and for a while seemed a bit bitter about the whole Star Wars experience. Ewan was kind of ambivalent for a long time. He loved playing Obi but it was a hard experience.
After Obi slashes Anakin's face and we see the duality of Vader with Anakin's face and Vaders face, was the use of the Lightsaber colors. Throughout the conversation, Ben's face was awash in Blue, Anakin's Red.
But when Anakin was talking, you would get flickers of Blue breaking up the red. Look at about 9:18 of the video above after Anakin tells Obi that Anakin is dead and he is what remains. Then pauses and the color switches to Blue on his face as if we're seeing a flicker of Anakin trying to fight through. Then when Anakin tells Obi that he didn't kill Anakin that Vader did and they flash back to Obi and the Blue light from the saber fades on his face, while Anakin's is still a mixed Red and Blue, as if Anakin is still conflicted, but after they get Obi's face shot they go to Vader's face and its completely and bright Red. I think its at that moment that we see that there is no longer conflict and Anakin is now completely Vader. Then we go back to Obi's face and its more red then blue, as if to illustrate that in this case even though Obi has won the duel, that at this point the Dark Side as won the war, and Anakin is truly gone.
I just wanted to point this out because its brilliant.
The other thing, going back to the episode where Obi gives the money to the Clone Trooper in the streets, the Trooper is dressed in 501st coloring. To me we can say that Sidious used the Clone Troopers and threw them away as we're seeing in the Bad Batch. But more importantly the 501st was Anakin's unit. Through TCW we saw that Anakin did everything he could to support and protect his soldiers. And now we see one on the streets abandoned and that shows that even Anakin is not Vader. Vader is not Anakin.
Ok that last one was a stretch.
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Anyone else catch Obi-Wan switch saber hands behind his back in the second half of the duel? Damn
When I watched the documentary on the making of ROTS, they showed a lot of the rehearsal work and how indepth it was.
They even showed Obi and Ewan smacking each others hands by mistake and how often they had to replace the blades on the practice sabers because they were hammering each other hard.
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