Kyle Rittenhouse Trial - Update: Acquitted On All Charges

[corporatejay]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

If you are white and charged with a gun crime and you do not get off you should ask for your money back from defence counsel in the US. Just like Zimmerman, the system worked as it should.

I'm not sure why race keeps getting brought up. Whether a black defendant would have been convicted seems unrelated to whether Rittenhouse should be.


Do you want the justice system to be unfair for all?

[Hockey_Ninja]

Meh. I’ve sadly become numb to this stuff

[burn_this_city]

Originally Posted by CaptainYooh

Sure. But what's good the for goose should be good for the gander. There seems to be a lot more latitude given to the goose here in all of these situations by a certain group of posters.

People shouldn't die for property crimes.

[corporatejay]

Originally Posted by burn_this_city

People shouldn't die for property crimes.

They died because they attacked a guy with a gun who was acting in self defense.

[burn_this_city]

Originally Posted by corporatejay

They died because they attacked a guy with a gun who was acting in self defense.

I wasn't referring to this case specifically, but the underlying belief that rioters should be shot that permeates a lot of these discussions in the US.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

If you are white and charged with a gun crime and you do not get off you should ask for your money back from defence counsel in the US. Just like Zimmerman, the system worked as it should.

Zimmerman isn't white. He is hispanic. Looks very hispanic, and in the USA what you look like is paramount. Zimmerman is even part black.

I agree with you generally though.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by timun

This trial will be used in American law schools to teach what not to do as prosecutor.

Verdict is probably 'correct' given the laws on the books, which says more about how broken American society is than how fair its justice system is.

Thats why its called the 'Legal System' and not the 'Justice System.'

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Being out on the street at all that night was illegal. And given the violence and destruction the previous two nights, and the presence of the National Guard, everyone out on the streets was unwisely looking for excitement or trouble.

At least one of them were looking for it with assault rifles, got it, and is now free.

But it seems like a couple of you are dead set on missing the point.

[btimbit]

The people he killed were all criminals too, I won't really shed a tear for any of them. Everyone involved is an absolute scumbag, including Rittenhouse

[CaptainYooh]

Originally Posted by burn_this_city

People shouldn't die for property crimes.

OK. This is the wrong premise to begin with. Riots are specifically noted as uninsured events for property destruction by most property insurance policies. If you are a small business owner, you lose your entire livelihood all at once, when an army of middle-class kids wearing $1,000 Prada jeans and $300 sneakers start throwing fire bombs at it, because it's fun to be rioting and the police is standing by doing nothing for the fear of escalation. If you work at that business, you've lost your job. If you own that business, you've lost everything. Half of the public seems to find rioting excusable even though it is extremely dangerous and extremely illegal.

Yet, the actions of those who don't accept the situation and decide to defend their property are found inexcusable by that same half of the public.

Violence always breeds violence and I hate both groups sincerely with all my heart. Just annoyed by the bias. Our political systems in US and Canada have full freedom to those wishing a peaceful protest and debate. So many people today, especially younger people, have no clue and no appreciation of how fortunate they are to live in a truly democratic liberal society.

[burn_this_city]

Originally Posted by CaptainYooh

OK. This is the wrong premise to begin with. Riots are specifically noted as uninsured events for property destruction by most property insurance policies. If you are a small business owner, you lose your entire livelihood all at once, when an army of middle-class kids wearing $1,000 Prada jeans and $300 sneakers start throwing fire bombs at it, because it's fun to be rioting and the police is standing by doing nothing for the fear of escalation. If you work at that business, you've lost your job. If you own that business, you've lost everything. Half of the public seems to find rioting excusable even though it is extremely dangerous and extremely illegal.

Yet, the actions of those who don't accept the situation and decide to defend their property are found inexcusable by that same half of the public.

Violence always breeds violence and I hate both groups sincerely with all my heart. Just annoyed by the bias. Our political systems in US and Canada have full freedom to those wishing a peaceful protest and debate. So many people today, especially younger people, have no clue and no appreciation of how fortunate they are to live in a truly democratic liberal society.

This isn't true though.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/03/insu...usinesses.html

[Redliner]

Originally Posted by burn_this_city

This isn't true though.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/03/insu...usinesses.html

Username checks out

[Fuzzy14]

The problem here is not the self-defense. Based on the evidence we've seen in the media, I think a reasonable argument can be made for that.

The real problem is that you have a society where it's legal to walk around in public with that sort of weapon.

In Canada, he probably get's away with his self-defense, while still getting crushed with weapons charges and getting jail time.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

At least one of them were looking for it with assault rifles, got it, and is now free.

But it seems like a couple of you are dead set on missing the point.

I was pretty clear that everybody out on the street that night was putting themselves in a dangerous situation for the sake of thrills. But while he was an idiot for being there, and Wisconsin’s open carry laws are bound to foster that kind of idiocy, I don’t believe Rittenhouse deliberately set out to shoot anyone.

[CaptainYooh]

Originally Posted by burn_this_city

This isn't true though.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/03/insu...usinesses.html

This might a more recent development. I obtain property insurance for various projects (in Canada and US) and riots are listed as an exclusion in those policies I have been reviewing for the past 20 years. I still stand by my point though. What if you didn't buy a riot insurance (assuming it was available)?

[Nyah]

Originally Posted by burn_this_city

This isn't true though.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/03/insu...usinesses.html

While this may be the case for bigger stores like Target, Walmart, etc., a lot of small businesses hit by rioters didn't have a level of insurance they needed to cover their losses, and they're SOL.

In Kenosha, more than 35 small businesses were destroyed, and around 80 were damaged, according to the city’s business association. Almost all are locally owned and many are underinsured or struggling to manage.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/09/b...t-kenosha.html

[Lanny_McDonald]

Not surprising, but still a travesty of justice. Charges are not adjudicated wholly. Rittenhouse gunned down two individuals who had a skateboard as their weapon, their words a s a weapon, and a sidearm in a defensive position (expected by the CCW) as a weapon. All three were treated the same because the judge was a ####ing idiot and instructed the jury to do so. When you have a jury of his peers - mostly morons - you are going to get the outcome expected. Make no mistake, jurors are selected because they are morons, not because they are educated and will examine the intricacies of the law. I've been dismissed from two jury selection processes the second I mentioned I had a law enforcement background and a terminal degree. They don't want experts judging these matters, they want morons being involved because they are have no idea and are extremely pliable. This is yet another example of the process being broken.

Frankly, Rittenhouse should be guilty of murder of two of the individuals. The person who uttered death threats is an automatic conviction in a vacuum. The individual with the skateboard (a non lethal weapon) is an automatic. Both of these should have been at worst homicide by negligent handling of dangerous weapon. The third, where the EMT had a weapon that could inflict deadly force, is the onw he should have skated on. The other two, he should have roasted on. No discussion.

This is yet another dark day for the United States. What should have been an automatic judicial decision has been dragged out into a political decision, driven by a judge who had very political motivations for the handling of his courtroom. The United States is a steaming pile of ####, and this outcome is further proof of that belief. Self defense is now a defense for anything. The precedent has been established.

[burn_this_city]

Originally Posted by Nyah

While this may be the case for bigger stores like Target, Walmart, etc., a lot of small businesses hit by rioters didn't have a level of insurance they needed to cover their losses, and they're SOL.



https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/09/b...t-kenosha.html

I don't believe rioting is justifiable in any circumstance, but killing people for it is a bit much. It turns into extrajudicial killing for crimes that aren't capital offenses.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by btimbit

The people he killed were all criminals too, I won't really shed a tear for any of them. Everyone involved is an absolute scumbag, including Rittenhouse

Except one of the individuals involved got a day in court.......

[PeteMoss]

People were in the wrong for rioting, but they didn't need to get shot. I did things for 'thrills' when I was young as I'm sure a lot of people did. Guess we all got off lucky no one shot us.


And again - I don't disagree with the verdict. I do disagree that people should be parading around with guns.