[News] Kyle Beach reveals himself as John Doe, speaks out to TSN's Rick Westhead about abuse

[djsFlames]

I feel like Torts would've walked the guy down the hallway himself and pushed him out the door, like he said. Even if management hadn't yet come to a conclusion on how to deal with it.

He's not known as a players coach, but based on his give no ####s attitude in standing up for his principles, he wouldn't tolerate a guy being around him and his team that committed such atrocities.

He was willing to fist fight Hartley in a hallway in Vancouver because he believed Bob went against the coaching code.

He absolutely would've thrown the guy to the curb and told him not to come back.

Torts is a lot of things, but he's not a passenger/bystander.


Edit: and he certainly wouldn't have written the guy a positive letter of recommendation for his next employer. That's for damn sure. (Hearing Quenneville did this, not sure if confirmed, but if so.. wow)

[dammage79]

Anyone in that room at that meeting should be sh*t canned and banned from coaching or managing anywhere.

And the PA??? WTF is the point if you're not going to step up when players need you the most! That's your galldanged primary point of existence! Players need to vote Fehr out.

Chevy and Q should have their heads on the block next, you can't just let this go.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by codynw

It’s easy for him to say that now, but what would Tortorella have actually done in that situation? Especially 11 years ago? Not so sure it would’ve played out any differently. Tortorella isn’t exactly known for being a players coach. But who knows, maybe he’s being genuine and wouldn’t actually have let that happen. Impossible to say for sure.

Torts is totally known as a players coach for this kind of thing.

[Coach]

Originally Posted by codynw

It’s easy for him to say that now, but what would Tortorella have actually done in that situation? Especially 11 years ago? Not so sure it would’ve played out any differently. Tortorella isn’t exactly known for being a players coach. But who knows, maybe he’s being genuine and wouldn’t actually have let that happen. Impossible to say for sure.

Hypotheticals shouldn’t stop people from speaking out about heinous stuff. This is just projecting your own insecurity about what you would or wouldn’t have done on other people. I think it’s important for us to really think about what we would have done, because you’ll likely be faced with similar decisions at some point.

Not that it matters, people can be a-holes to work for and humans at the same time. And from what I’ve seen Torts has had problems with players who are low on effort, but he has always come across as someone who actually cares a great deal about his players. Especially since his NY days.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

I feel like Torts would've walked the guy down the hallway himself and pushed him out the door, like he said. Even if management hadn't yet come to a conclusion on how to deal with it.

He's not known as a players coach, but based on his give no ####s attitude in standing up for his principles, he wouldn't tolerate a guy being around him and his team that committed such atrocities.

He was willing to fist fight Hartley in a hallway in Vancouver because he believed Bob went against the coaching code.

He absolutely would've thrown the guy to the curb and told him not to come back.

Torts is a lot of things, but he's not a passenger/bystander.

Yeah, I can see Torts being the kind of guy that wouldn't let something like that go unpunished. I'm not sure he would have broken through the NHL politics and blacklisted himself from working in the NHL, but I don't doubt that Aldrich would have been nowhere near the players after that and eating his meals through a straw.

[Knightslayer]

Originally Posted by codynw

It’s easy for him to say that now, but what would Tortorella have actually done in that situation? Especially 11 years ago? Not so sure it would’ve played out any differently. Tortorella isn’t exactly known for being a players coach. But who knows, maybe he’s being genuine and wouldn’t actually have let that happen. Impossible to say for sure.

This has nothing to do with being a player's coach. What a weird comment.

[bluejays]

Originally Posted by codynw

It’s easy for him to say that now, but what would Tortorella have actually done in that situation? Especially 11 years ago? Not so sure it would’ve played out any differently. Tortorella isn’t exactly known for being a players coach. But who knows, maybe he’s being genuine and wouldn’t actually have let that happen. Impossible to say for sure.

Personally I believe most have good intentions but it could be a lesson in group think. Or it could be an authoritarian type group where the top honcho calls the shots and everyone has to fall in line. Tortorella through his career has shown himself to be the anti-company man and just plays to his own drummer so he’d probably have taken it upon himself to do what was right. We’ll never know. But we’ll never know who exactly knew what at what time and only each individual knows what they truly knew. Poor decisions were made by a few, that’s a certainty.

[jg13]

dont push me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LprzxFAoH9w

[Jetfire]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

I feel like Torts would've walked the guy down the hallway himself and pushed him out the door, like he said. Even if management hadn't yet come to a conclusion on how to deal with it.

He's not known as a players coach, but based on his give no ####s attitude in standing up for his principles, he wouldn't tolerate a guy being around him and his team that committed such atrocities.

He was willing to fist fight Hartley in a hallway in Vancouver because he believed Bob went against the coaching code.

He absolutely would've thrown the guy to the curb and told him not to come back.

Torts is a lot of things, but he's not a passenger/bystander.


Edit: and he certainly wouldn't have written the guy a positive letter of recommendation for his next employer. That's for damn sure. (Hearing Quenneville did this, not sure if confirmed, but if so.. wow)

As much as I hate 2004, Torts is one of my favorite coaches of all-time. Guy would fight a war on behalf of his players and has a huge heart behind all of his tough love. Screw hacks like Q who don't have the fortitude to do the right thing. Tortorella is the exact kind of guy who should be remembered in the Hall of Fame some day. Proven winner with the character to back up his winning. That's how it should be.

[Hemi-Cuda]

More proof that Cheveldayoff is a piece of ####

https://www.reddit.com/r/hockey/comm...rs_with_kevin/

[Yoho]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1453781163529707520

[Coach]

Originally Posted by Yoho

https://twitter.com/user/status/1453781163529707520

No. Quenville ended his own career.

[Derek Sutton]

Originally Posted by codynw

It’s easy for him to say that now, but what would Tortorella have actually done in that situation? Especially 11 years ago? Not so sure it would’ve played out any differently. Tortorella isn’t exactly known for being a players coach. But who knows, maybe he’s being genuine and wouldn’t actually have let that happen. Impossible to say for sure.

I was going to post the same thing. Not just Torts though, it is way too easy to be saying the right thing now. Players, coaches and management telling everyone what should've been done and how they would've handled this situation. The truth of the matter is many of them have been involved in some sort of cover up along their way to the NHL. Be it assualts, violence, misdemeanors, theft, drugs/ alcohol, bullying, impregnating multiple womne at multiple times, hazing, or sexual assaults. There has been cover ups and blind eyes happening in hockey forever.

Junior hockey, back in the 90's through the 2000's was a total gong show for off ice incidents, mostly it resulted in players being traded, players quitting and going home/ being released or shamed into silence. Anyone with any sort of involvement in the game, during this era can verify this, This is IMO why the players on the 2010 Blackhawks did nothing, incidents had always been handled in house and the house would handle this. By the time a coach reaches the NHL they've become masters at covering up incidents.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Coach

I think that setting a precedent that this type of behaviour will result in “loss of wins” is important. Whether that be championships won during the even and/or high end futures, i think it’s crucial. Yes it does punish the fan base. A fan base that will put pressure on that organization to not put up with this again and make the proper changes.

Putting winning above humanity is the problem and will still occur if the only risk is money and personal accountability. They obviously don’t care about that. They were at risk already.

Punish the guilty. Taking away wins and championships doesn't do that and I personally don't see why the punishment needs to try and motivate the fanbase to do something.

I agree wholeheartedly with the concept of deterrence but IMO you do that by focusing on those who did wrong. Taking away wins years later doesn't do that.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Derek Sutton

I was going to post the same thing. Not just Torts though, it is way too easy to be saying the right thing now. Players, coaches and management telling everyone what should've been done and how they would've handled this situation. The truth of the matter is many of them have been involved in some sort of cover up along their way to the NHL. Be it assualts, violence, misdemeanors, theft, drugs/ alcohol, bullying, impregnating multiple womne at multiple times, hazing, or sexual assaults. There has been cover ups and blind eyes happening in hockey forever.

Junior hockey, back in the 90's through the 2000's was a total gong show for off ice incidents, mostly it resulted in players being traded, players quitting and going home/ being released or shamed into silence. Anyone with any sort of involvement in the game, during this era can verify this, This is IMO why the players on the 2010 Blackhawks did nothing, incidents had always been handled in house and the house would handle this. By the time a coach reaches the NHL they've become masters at covering up incidents.

Yeah unfortunately anything people say now about what "they would have done" really is meaningless. Does Torts have an opinion about what should be done with those involved now?

[Hockey_Ninja]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1453843448629534723

[Coach]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Punish the guilty. Taking away wins and championships doesn't do that and I personally don't see why the punishment needs to try and motivate the fanbase to do something.

I agree wholeheartedly with the concept of deterrence but IMO you do that by focusing on those who did wrong. Taking away wins years later doesn't do that.

The Championship is the organization's and the team that participated. The fans got to watch.

Taking away rings, career point totals, scratching names of Cups and Conne Smythes. How does that punish anyone but those people?

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Pierre Lebrun just said he thinks the Hawks will petition the league to cross Aldrich’s name off the cup. Sounds like it would be up to the hawks to petition the league because the nhl wouldn’t make that decision for some reason.

[Manhattanboy]

So what happened to the intern who was sexually assaulted by Aldrich after the victory party?

[sureLoss]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

So what happened to the intern who was sexually assaulted by Aldrich after the victory party?

We won't know unless he goes public like Beach did. There might be others that haven't even come forward yet.

Looking back at the articles by Rick Westhead. There is one former marketing official that claimed he was warned by training staff to stay away from Aldrich because he abused two players and would try to befriend interns and bring them back to his apartment.

https://www.tsn.ca/alleged-assaults-...urce-1.1659115

The alleged sexual assault of two former Chicago Blackhawks players was “an open secret” among staff both within and outside the team’s hockey department, a former team marketing official said in an interview with TSN.

The official said he was told by Blackhawks assistant trainer Jeff Thomas during the summer of 2010 that then-team video coach Brad Aldrich had allegedly sexually assaulted two players. The official asked for anonymity because he still works in the pro hockey industry and fears repercussions from the National Hockey League.

“Brad would routinely befriend young interns and invite them to his apartment in Chicago to watch March Madness basketball and other sports,” the marketing official said. “I was told to steer clear of him because he had tried something at his apartment on a few players. This was not something that only a few people knew about. The entire training staff, a lot of people knew...This was an open secret.”