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[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Bolded: No one in their right mind was saying that. Some (few) who are hopelessly enamoured with Phillips might have thought of this, but it was never seriously put forth by anyone.

2. Pitlick is one thing, but I think it's valid criticism of Richardson, Lewis, and Ritchie. All of whom have looked bad in preseason too.

3. Again, I think a much more reasonable reflection is that none of our prospects have made any sort of case to make the team. That is disappointing as this is their opportunity. It is ok to be disappointed that these prospects are seemingly not fighting for their spots or if they are that they don't actually have the requisite talent to make it.

Pretty sure I saw it.

Would be a tough search to prove it, but I think it was said. Think Monahan was exposed by some as well.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Bolded: No one in their right mind was saying that. Some (few) who are hopelessly enamoured with Phillips might have thought of this, but it was never seriously put forth by anyone.

2. Pitlick is one thing, but I think it's valid criticism of Richardson, Lewis, and Ritchie. All of whom have looked bad in preseason too.

3. Again, I think a much more reasonable reflection is that none of our prospects have made any sort of case to make the team. That is disappointing as this is their opportunity. It is ok to be disappointed that these prospects are seemingly not fighting for their spots or if they are that they don't actually have the requisite talent to make it.

I saw it. Whether you consider those posters to be in their right mind or not is another question.

[Goriders]

Better performance than the first game.

Dube stood out to me.

Vlader looks like a keeper.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Bolded: No one in their right mind was saying that. Some (few) who are hopelessly enamoured with Phillips might have thought of this, but it was never seriously put forth by anyone.

2. Pitlick is one thing, but I think it's valid criticism of Richardson, Lewis, and Ritchie. All of whom have looked bad in preseason too.

3. Again, I think a much more reasonable reflection is that none of our prospects have made any sort of case to make the team. That is disappointing as this is their opportunity. It is ok to be disappointed that these prospects are seemingly not fighting for their spots or if they are that they don't actually have the requisite talent to make it.

If you look at our voted on top 4 prospects it is reasonable that almost all NHL teams would have these guys start the year in the AHL. Coronato is in his first season after being drafted and is going to be playing NCAA so he isn't even an option. Wolf, Zary and Pelletier all should be in the AHL at leats to start. I could see Zary and Pelletier getting a crack if the light up the AHL. So that leaves prospects that rank 5 through 20 left as players who have an outside shot of making the NHL. Some of the guys in this group also were drafted in 2021. That leaves around 13-14 players in a group of lower ranked prospects. Some could make an impact in future years still but I think it is reasonable that if 2 make the team or make an impact at some point this year that would be considered successful.

Vladar looks like he will be the back up but what if he is and he plays very well? What is he wins more than he losses and post 2.50 GAA or better and +.910 SV%? It's possible that we have a gem here and he could make an impact this season and look to be a future keeper for this franchise.

Pospisil has looked good IMO and could be another Hathaway type player. He might have more upside but if he can be a physical energy player he also could make an impact.

I'm not willing to write off other players like Phillips or Ruzicka based on 2 pre-season games and not all players need to make it day 1 to have an impact but if we can have even just 2 players make an impact out of our 5-20 rated prospects it will be a huge plus for this team this year and next.

If some of these guys bust them why not have Richardson types on this team to give guys a bit more time in the AHL? I'm pretty sure most of the old depth guys can be sent down at no cap hit due to lower NHL salary.

Also I find older players take longer to warm up so just because players look bad now doesn't mean they all will suck all season

[Ped]

Originally Posted by Goriders

Vlader looks like a keeper.

Well, yeah. He's got the pads and everything, after all...

[Steve Bozek]

It’s early days, but these 2 games have made me a little concerned about Valimaki’s progress and upside. In what I saw of yesterday’s game, I was actually more impressed with Kylington than Valimaki.

[talladega.25]

Originally Posted by Steve Bozek

It’s early days, but these 2 games have made me a little concerned about Valimaki’s progress and upside. In what I saw of yesterday’s game, I was actually more impressed with Kylington than Valimaki.

Agreed! Valimaki has looked like a fringe NHLer already, and thats coming off of a bad year. High hopes for him but he's no where near progression and has some glaring warts.

Kylington has been a pleasant surprise, I don't know why he is a Fan 960 whipping boy when he passes every eye test (for the most part).

If the season starts tomorrow I would ice this:
Hanifin Tanev
Kylington Andersson
Zadorov Valimaki

[dino7c]

Don't forget Kylington plays much easier minutes

Valimaki/Stone played had the toughest matchups last night as the top pair

[SeanCharles]

Originally Posted by Canada 02

there is no prospect in this organization who is not worth giving up to get Eichel. If Adams wants 6 of them, knock your socks off

While I generally agree, there is something about Zary that I just don’t want to give up.

I think he could become a gem.

(Kew the Ben Stiller, Cameron Diaz gifts)

[Lanny_McDonald]

Can you imagine the state of the player development for this team if they gave up two to three of their best prospects (basically all of them) and a 1st or two in a deal to land Eichel? The prospect pool would be as thin as the years the team didn't ice a minor league team of their own. Yikes.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Can you imagine the state of the player development for this team if they gave up two to three of their best prospects (basically all of them) and a 1st or two in a deal to land Eichel? The prospect pool would be as thin as the years the team didn't ice a minor league team of their own. Yikes.

Whatever team acquires Eichel will have this as an issue no?

It's four big assets so likely a 1st round pick robbing the team of their next top prospect, and potentially the last two guys they took in the first round, plus another asset.

Only 3-4 teams would have much left if they pulled that trigger.

The need to pile on more misery on this site astounds me.

[sketchyt]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Whatever team acquires Eichel will have this as an issue no?

It's four big assets so likely a 1st round pick robbing the team of their next top prospect, and potentially the last two guys they took in the first round, plus another asset.

Only 3-4 teams would have much left if they pulled that trigger.

The need to pile on more misery on this site astounds me.

1. "Why won't this team make moves to get better???"
2. <team signs players>
3. "I don't like these players! We need high end talent!"
4. <team trades for high end player(s)>
5. "They traded too much! The deal should be one for one. Waaaah!"
6. <team doesn't trade for high end player(s)>
7. "The GM sucks and should be fired! Where's my pitchfork?"
8. <team doesn't commit to players and blows up the roster. Repeat step one>

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Whatever team acquires Eichel will have this as an issue no?

Nope. The Flames are rice paper thin when it comes to prospects. I honestly don't know how people can't see this? Maybe its the constant pumping of tires from the likes of Scorpion, but this is a system with very few players with NHL potential. I would say we are limited to four or five players total that you can look at and say, yes, in the next three years they will be NHL players. Most teams are way beyond that number. The Flames are a team that doesn't have a single bluechip prospect, which really hurts when you consider the complete lack of success this team has had.

Only 3-4 teams would have much left if they pulled that trigger.

Disagree. Almost every team could pull the trigger and still have a much better system than the Flames. Yes, it would hurt, but most teams would recover a lot quicker than the Flames because they have the foundation of higher picks from past drafts to rely upon.

The need to pile on more misery on this site astounds me.

What is this piling on misery bull####? It's just the reality this team faces. The current roster is not good, and the clock is ticking down on it. The minor league team is bereft of players ready for the NHL. The junior aged guys still have a long way to go, so no immediate help there either. This is a team that is not well constructed, not likeable in any way, and doesn't have that hope factor to play. It is what it is, and it isn't good. Better to be honest and set reasonable expectations IMO.

[neo45]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

What is this piling on misery bull####? It's just the reality this team faces. The current roster is not good, and the clock is ticking down on it. The minor league team is bereft of players ready for the NHL. The junior aged guys still have a long way to go, so no immediate help there either. This is a team that is not well constructed, not likeable in any way, and doesn't have that hope factor to play. It is what it is, and it isn't good. Better to be honest and set reasonable expectations IMO.

Well said. No one is creating misery, some are just pointing out the reality and asking for drastic change

Fans aren’t negative for being unhappy with this:


If you think that visual is nauseating now wait until next year

[TheIronMaiden]

That graph would be more impactful if it only went back ten years.
Hockey is a what have you done for me recently business and 16 year old play off runs mean nothing today.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Nope. The Flames are rice paper thin when it comes to prospects. I honestly don't know how people can't see this? Maybe its the constant pumping of tires from the likes of Scorpion, but this is a system with very few players with NHL potential. I would say we are limited to four or five players total that you can look at and say, yes, in the next three years they will be NHL players. Most teams are way beyond that number. The Flames are a team that doesn't have a single bluechip prospect, which really hurts when you consider the complete lack of success this team has had.



Disagree. Almost every team could pull the trigger and still have a much better system than the Flames. Yes, it would hurt, but most teams would recover a lot quicker than the Flames because they have the foundation of higher picks from past drafts to rely upon.



What is this piling on misery bull####? It's just the reality this team faces. The current roster is not good, and the clock is ticking down on it. The minor league team is bereft of players ready for the NHL. The junior aged guys still have a long way to go, so no immediate help there either. This is a team that is not well constructed, not likeable in any way, and doesn't have that hope factor to play. It is what it is, and it isn't good. Better to be honest and set reasonable expectations IMO.

Bader has the Flames 6th, so yeah if they give up four pieces they'd be like any of the teams in that area, not worse in his opinion ... which has a lot more in it than you're Chicken Little schtick.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1421117051733610496

Now beyond that I'm not that far from you on the AHL guys, not high at all, but that nor the roster was the topic. It was prospect systems, of which the junior aged players are likely the ones being coveted by Buffalo.

Not likeable.
No hope.
Not good.

And you wonder why I call you out for the sky is falling crap on a weekly basis? It gets old man.

Even if you were 100% right which you aren't 100% of the time it would be a tiresome and bleak way to live.

[neo45]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

That graph would be more impactful if it only went back ten years.
Hockey is a what have you done for me recently business and 16 year old play off runs mean nothing today.

And what has the team done for us lately?

The last 10 years are worse than the 10 that came before it, that’s for sure

[Jiri Hrdina]

^(to the chart above) Again is there a fresh take. We all know that.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by neo45

Well said. No one is creating misery, some are just pointing out the reality and asking for drastic change

Fans aren’t negative for being unhappy with this:


If you think that visual is nauseating now wait until next year

There isn't a Calgary hockey fan that isn't aware of the franchise and how it's done for the last X number of years.

None.

But most of us aren't looking to dig up Mike Stone trades in order to make things seem worse.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by neo45

Well said. No one is creating misery, some are just pointing out the reality and asking for drastic change

Fans aren’t negative for being unhappy with this:


If you think that visual is nauseating now wait until next year

But aren't we all aware of the reality? We all know this team isn't great. This isn't new.

You don't need your pom-poms out with every post but the need to post negative stuff endlessly by some people is just exhausting. And isn't this supposed to be a little bit fun, even if the team isn't great? It shouldn't be 'This team is terrible and that's the reality so I'm going to go on and on and on about it because it's the truth'. There has to be some sort of middle ground when it comes to posting about this team, because some of the stuff I'm reading on here daily makes a lot of people (including the owner I believe) want to take a break to get away from the endless negativity.