Why does everyone crap on Enterprise? I mean, lame theme song aside I think the best of Enterprise was better than the best of Voyager. I think its weakest episodes were still better than the weakest episodes of Voyager.
I guess it's not fair simply because voy had more seasons. S2 of Ent is just incredibly boring. Nothing happens. And the start of S4 was stupid.
"Goodbye everybody, I must return to my timeline, until the writers need me again!"
Also I know it's a somewhat unpopular opinion, but Scott Bakula is not a very good actor.
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I guess it's not fair simply because voy had more seasons. S2 of Ent is just incredibly boring. Nothing happens. And the start of S4 was stupid.
"Goodbye everybody, I must return to my timeline, until the writers need me again!"
Also I know it's a somewhat unpopular opinion, but Scott Bakula is not a very good actor.
Was anyone on Voyager a good actor? I think that the first three seasons showcased the worst impulses of Brannon and Braga. They had jumped the shark as showrunners, and that is unfortunate. As mentioned above, Manny Coto was a breath of fresh air into that show, and I wish that he had an opportunity to run with the regular seven Star Trek seasons.
The cancellation and the final episode had Braga jealousy written all over it, as he was still producer.
To be honest, once Roddenberry died, the quality of people with power running Star Trek has just been rolling downhill. Anytime there is an outside influence, Star Trek comes back alive. Even Lower Decks has a pretty big producer roster (and although there is Kurtzman, there is also Roddenberry's son), but the writing and direction are all outside of regular Star Trek.
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Startrek.com has releaseda look into the series bibles online for TNG, DS9, VOY, and ENT.
They're not very long but are interesting, and you can see what they changed when they got to air.
Couple new things - they’re doing a big live steam thing for the 55th anniversary next week. Likely to be some new trailers and hopefully a premiere date or too. Released a pretty great trailer for it as well:
And also the release of the title sequence for Star Trek Prodigy, which is pretty freakin great
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Not really my style to focus on things that bother me...except the Flames (please note sports-specific reference, likely my first for CP), but I painfully rewatched seasons 2+3 of Discovery last month, and the show ranking posts from this week have reawakened my unsuppressed repugnance and there's no better place to vomit than this thread:
I gave Discovery a lot of leeway in first season cause for whatever confounding reason Star Trek shows need a really long runway to get off the ground. Then in S2 the thing that really carried the show was Captain Cullen Bohannon and Spock. But season three was absolute garbage - and what's worse is it set itself up to be something different and exciting. However by the end of the season every other scene was slapping us over the head with a social message. Great, I get it: diversity, IDIC, yadda-yadda, but any sort of salient story lines, character development, or inertia kept getting trampled
And as for the characters, aside from Burnham, I would have thought I'd have learned, well, *any* other character's name by now, but they're just so utterly uninteresting and unmemorable, or downright f'n annoying that I havent
I always thought Voyager was the worst, but even that show had some good episodes, and a handful of great ones. No episode of Discovery--nothing--stands out as a Top 10, let alone a Top 100 episode of Star Trek
Not really sure where my ire is to be directed--writing, direction, acting, casting, the studio--the show was just a miss on so many levels
finally, I'm honestly surprised Discovery was renewed. But of course I'll tune in next season cause I hate myself. Will also watch the Flames this fall cause I really hate myself. Was thinking I might watch Picard again, but I just don't know how much I can take
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Not really my style to focus on things that bother me...except the Flames (please note sports-specific reference, likely my first for CP), but I painfully rewatched seasons 2+3 of Discovery last month, and the show ranking posts from this week have reawakened my unsuppressed repugnance and there's no better place to vomit than this thread:
I gave Discovery a lot of leeway in first season cause for whatever confounding reason Star Trek shows need a really long runway to get off the ground. Then in S2 the thing that really carried the show was Captain Cullen Bohannon and Spock. But season three was absolute garbage - and what's worse is it set itself up to be something different and exciting. However by the end of the season every other scene was slapping us over the head with a social message. Great, I get it: diversity, IDIC, yadda-yadda, but any sort of salient story lines, character development, or inertia kept getting trampled
And as for the characters, aside from Burnham, I would have thought I'd have learned, well, *any* other character's name by now, but they're just so utterly uninteresting and unmemorable, or downright f'n annoying that I havent
I always thought Voyager was the worst, but even that show had some good episodes, and a handful of great ones. No episode of Discovery--nothing--stands out as a Top 10, let alone a Top 100 episode of Star Trek
Not really sure where my ire is to be directed--writing, direction, acting, casting, the studio--the show was just a miss on so many levels
finally, I'm honestly surprised Discovery was renewed. But of course I'll tune in next season cause I hate myself. Will also watch the Flames this fall cause I really hate myself. Was thinking I might watch Picard again, but I just don't know how much I can take
I don't get why people like Disco either, and I dislike it for a lot of the same reasons you did; but the ultimate reason I don't like it is because it's the Michael Show - it seems that every single event in the universe revolves around her. And even when she was demoted or whatever, or she's in a meeting with higher ranking people, she's giving orders and acting all in charge, and everyone just kind of lets her.
I stopped watching Discovery after the first season, and just reading that description of seasons two and three, made me mad. It's like Paramount is going out of their way to make me hate Star Trek, when I thought of myself as an unshakable fan.
From the moment they made Voyager more powerful than all of Star Fleet combined, the insulting ending to Enterprise, to the horrible Abramsverse movies (made by someone who himself said he didn't like Trek), to whatever the hell Disco was, to Picard actually being a remake of Space Pirates.
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Discovery and Picard make the Kelvin Trilogy look like masterpieces in comparison. Even Into Darkness. Yeah there’s lot of plot holes and stupidity too but at least they’re super entertaining, well cast, with some solid dialogue and interesting characters. Star Trek 09 is a legitimately fun sci-if movie, and Beyond is actually a pretty good Trek film. Into Darkness well… has great special effects at least.
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I stopped watching Discovery after the first season, and just reading that description of seasons two and three, made me mad. It's like Paramount is going out of their way to make me hate Star Trek, when I thought of myself as an unshakable fan.
From the moment they made Voyager more powerful than all of Star Fleet combined, the insulting ending to Enterprise, to the horrible Abramsverse movies (made by someone who himself said he didn't like Trek), to whatever the hell Disco was, to Picard actually being a remake of Space Pirates.
Ok I give you Into Darkness, that was pure drek. And the first one while a decent movie was more generic sci-fi than Star Trek. But Beyond is a great Trek movie, no doubt because people who actually get the series wrote it. I'd put that one right below Wrath of Khan and First Contact
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True, Beyond was co-written by Simon Pegg, who I like a lot. You can tell the parts that he had a hand in. And the cast is great, although that whole three movie series didn't know what to do with the antagonists, or the actors that played them.
Star : Trek into Darkness is below Star Trek V on the scale.
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True, Beyond was co-written by Simon Pegg, who I like a lot. You can tell the parts that he had a hand in. And the cast is great, although that whole three movie series didn't know what to do with the antagonists, or the actors that played them.
Star : Trek into Darkness is below Star Trek V on the scale.
V is a half-decent film though! And it gets points for being Trek!
It isnt a masterpiece by any stretch of the imagination.
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Star Trek V is awesome and I will fight anyone who says otherwise. It’s just become a meme that it’s “the bad one” from people who haven’t watched it in 25+ years
The only one I struggle to say anything nice about at all is Nemesis.
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TFF greatly expanded the characterizations of many of the crew. It also expanded what the Federation was and was probably the first fleshed out look at non-Federation territory.
But it also had some terrible scenes, the Scotty hitting the bulkhead scene is particularly galling, the SFX are abysmal even by that time's standards, and it drags on far far too long.
It's still the worst out of the first six, and it's a chasm between fifth and sixth.
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