Star Wars : Episode IX (No Spoilers)

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Inglewood Jack

eh, Palps had the galaxy under his fist for barely one generation. the Star Wars films are like war propaganda showing one tiny window of victory among thousands of years of bad guy failure. he literally had to wait for the Jedi to get bored of winning before his plan would even have a chance of working.

I'm not sure it was the Jedi being bored. It was the Jedi being arrogant.


Later on it was Palpatine that paid for his arrogance.


The Sith plan to defeat the Jedi had been in play for 1000's of years and it was based around the Sith re-inventing themselves and realizing that knowledge and not light sabres was power.


Even Yoda realized it when he was facing Sidious. The Jedi had spent 1000's of years training to face the Sith of the last war, whereas the Sith had evolved beyond them.


Palpatine said it all when he was zapping Luke "You will pay for your lack of vision". The Jedi had no vision and the Force had basically abandoned them, overwhelmed by the Dark Side.


When Palpatine fell it was for the same reason, his arrogance lead to the dark side being clouded by the Light side.


Eventually the Force makes everyone it's $$$$$.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Buff

I agree, however, TLJ was so poorly received that fans weren't willing to give Solo a chance.

Had a Marvel movie or two been as criticized as TLJ then I think they may have slowed down the release schedules a bit.

Also it was ridiculous placement of that movie in the release calendar - it should have been in the holiday time frame where Star Wars has had more success.

Infinity War: April 27th
Deadpool 2: May 18th
Solo: May 25th
Incredibles 2: June 15th

Trying to squeeze it in that window with very little marketing focus due to Infinity War still being the main focus at that time just wasn't smart by Disney.

I bet that if it was released in December 2018 it would have performed much better.

Originally Posted by Wormius

The theaters don't seem exactly packed for later screenings (at least looking at Silver City's seating maps for the Friday showing). Not sure if that is a good sign or not of SW fatigue.

I think there are also way more earlier screenings this time though, feel like other times the earliest screening wasn't until 9, and this time screenings start as early as 5.

[peter12]

I had some downtime on the weekend and re-watched The Last Jedi for the first time since I saw it in theatres. When I first saw it, I was kind of lukewarm, somewhat because I appreciated a kind of attempt to breakaway from the pure fan tribute of TFA, but mainly because of all the edgelord Redditor complaints about it being too woke or SJW or whatever. I hate that reactionary crap.

Anyway, my thoughts now? Just an absolute hot garbage dump of a movie. Totally irredeemable and I stopped watching ohhhh about 4 seconds into the casino scene.

[CaptainCrunch]

Its funny, I used to be that guy that would re watch Star Wars movies or have a Star Wars marathon.


Now in terms of rewatch value. Lets say when it comes on TV


ANH - Yuuuup, and still rewatchable
ESB - Yuuuup and still rewatchable
ROTJ - Not as rewatchable as the first two, but yeah I'll watch it again, outside of the Ewoks it had some very cool moments.


TPM - Yeah I'll rewatch it, but I won't make time to rewatch it. Still love the Palpatine stuff.
AOTC - Ehhhh, Again, if I'm not doing anything, I'll check it out
ROTS - I might be in a minority, its the best of the PT, it had great potential and didn't reach it, but I'll watch it.


TFA - I've maybe seen it two or three times, but it just doesn't make me run to my DVD collection, or if its on TV I'll flip back and forth to see the cool stuff
TLJ - Honestly, I've seen it twice all the way through. Now when they open if Poe and the General Hugs thing, chances are I'll find something else to do.


Solo - I've watched it twice and I actually really like it, but I don't race to netflix to watch it
Rogue One - Yes, I've seen it more then a few times, and it sucks me in everytime.


The Clone Wars - Yuup, love that series and have watched it end to end a couple of times
Rebels - More along the lines of I'll watch episodes from the final couple of years if they're on.

Resistance - I've even lost interest in the new ones.

[nik-]

The Phantom Menace is easily as trash as The Last Jedi. Really the entire prequel trilogy is as bad as The Last Jedi.

The series is basically Star Trek movies at this point. Batting less than .500

[peter12]

Originally Posted by nik-

The Phantom Menace is easily as trash as The Last Jedi. Really the entire prequel trilogy is as bad as The Last Jedi.

The series is basically Star Trek movies at this point. Batting less than .500

The Hold for General Hugs thing is worse than anything in any Star Trek movie.

[GreenLantern]

Phantom Menace is worse IMO, it's only saving grace is the light saber battle is pretty decent.

I want to re watch the movies before the new one comes out, but im struggling to motivate myself to watch Phantom Menace which is holding everything up lol

I think I will just have to skip it.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by nik-

The Phantom Menace is easily as trash as The Last Jedi. Really the entire prequel trilogy is as bad as The Last Jedi.

The series is basically Star Trek movies at this point. Batting less than .500

Bite your tongue Philistine!

That being said, Star Wars doesnt tend to enjoy the same degree of reveling in self-deprecation that Trek does.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern

Phantom Menace is worse IMO, it's only saving grace is the light saber battle is pretty decent.

I want to re watch the movies before the new one comes out, but im struggling to motivate myself to watch Phantom Menace which is holding everything up lol

[nik-]

Originally Posted by Locke

Bite your tongue Philistine!

That being said, Star Wars doesnt tend to enjoy the same degree of reveling in self-deprecation that Trek does.

Search your feelings, you know it to be true.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

No doubt the film will be a box office success. But Disney has so much more riding on the Star Wars brand, including huge investments at its theme parks and hotel properties. It’s imperative that it keeps new fans coming through the pipeline. The films are how you do this. I will no doubt see the movie but I will be dragging my kids with me, not the other way around.

Yeah what kids are into Star Wars these days? My boys don't even want to see these movies as you say I pretty well have to force them to come to the theatre to see them and they simply won't watch them at home.

[MillerTime GFG]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Yeah what kids are into Star Wars these days? My boys don't even want to see these movies as you say I pretty well have to force them to come to the theatre to see them and they simply won't watch them at home.

All four of my kids love Star Wars...age 13, 11, 7, 5

[chedder]

My girls, 15 and 13, love going to watch them as a family. I'm not certain it's because they are really into it or just supporting their old dad's lifelong fascination. I do believe they enjoy them though and loved the stuff at Disneyland. I was in kindergarten for A New Hope.

[CaptainCrunch]

I think that the whole idea of kid friendly and selling toys really doomed TPM.


I've always said that I thought that instead of child Anakin you have teenager Anakin who's actually live a life of slavery that's really slavery, not the pseudo slavery that we saw.


Imagine a 15 year old Anakin who has been working in a mine for years with his mother, horribly abused, and his mother being right there with him.


When our hero's arrive Qui-gon feels that powerful disturbance in the Force and he goes off to check it out, while Ben works on fixing the ship.


Qui-gon see's the horror of the Hutt slave masters, and he runs into Anakin who recognizes the Jedi and begs him to break him and the other slaves out. Of course Qui-gon says the typical Jedi line that he doesn't have the permission of the Jedi or the council for it.



Qui-gon is torn because he knows that Anakin is the mythical Jedi who will bring balance to the force, but his duty is to his mission.



He's torn between his duty to the republic and his duty to the Jedi and doing the right thing and later that night he sneaks back to the mine and arrives just in time to see Anakin killing Overseer Jar-Jar Binks the cruel overseer of the prison with a instinctive Force Throw, t after Binks punished his mother. Anakin helps the slaves escaped but his mother is recaptured and she begs Anakin to go free, and he does.


As they race back to the ship they encounter Darth Maul and Anakin is fascinated by Qui-gon's skills in beating back the Sith Lord and they make their escape. On the ship Qui-gon tells Anakin that he has the Force and that he needs a teacher to harness it for good.


When Anakin goes in front of the Jedi Council to get tested they tell him he's too old and angry. Qui-gon says screw you, we can't let him back out into the world with this power and no control, they agree to let Anakin be trained by Qui-gon.



Then everything else can be the same without Jar-Jar, or podraces or whatever.


Then in AOTC, we get an older wiser Anakin haunted by leaving his mother behind. When they return to Tattoine to rescue her, Anakin heads to the mines and finds out that his mother was executed by Gardulla the Hutt after the breakout. Anakin flies into a rage and destroys the mines and kills the cruel Hutt using the Force. He begs Padme for forgiveness and to keep it a secret.


When we get to the battle with Dooku, Anakin takes the attack to the count ignoring Ben, and fights the more experienced Sith to a stand still. Yoda arrives in time to witness Anakin's power as he kills Dooku without mercy.


The movie ends with the wedding, then we see Sideous and Grievous watching a hologram of Anakin destroying Dooku. The Dark Lord smiles and tells Grievous that the final stage of the war has begun.

[blankall]

^^^^^

You don't think this was better?



TPM and TLJ were atrocious in their own ways. TPM was aimed at kids, yet also full of convoluted economic and political debate. TLJ feels like a parody of SW movies more than a SW movie. If SpaceBalls was not funny, it would be TLJ.

The prequel trilogy actually had some good bones to it though. The clone wars, Empire takeover, rise of Darth, end of the Jedi order, etc... were all great concepts. The execution was just so poor. TPM could have been great, if they'd taken the same main concepts, but kept the overall tone in line with the original trilogy.

The new movies have also struggled with this concept of tone. TLJ was, inexplicably, full of near 4th wall breaking quips. Solo started off okay but devolved into a "fun" action movie. If you watch the original trilogy there is all sorts of banter between Shakesperian trained actors, action pieces were built up as well anticipated and thought out battles, etc..

Lucas was obviously trying to sell toys. Disney hasn't even got that right, as they seem to be doing their best to alienate old fans and not capture new ones.

[Igottago]

The prequels were horrendous, terribly executed movies -- but they at least tried to tell a coherent story about important characters. And Ewan McGregor was an exceptional Obi Wan.

The Last Jedi was a well executed film (from a production standpoint) that had contempt for everything that preceded it as well as its audience, and gave up any semblance of a quality story or characters in order to "subvert expectations". For that reason I rate TLJ as the worst. It almost needs to be stricken from the record somehow.

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by Igottago

The prequels were horrendous, terribly executed movies -- but they at least tried to tell a coherent story about important characters. And Ewan McGregor was an exceptional Obi Wan.

The Last Jedi was a well executed film (from a production standpoint) that had contempt for everything that preceded it as well as its audience, and gave up any semblance of a quality story or characters in order to "subvert expectations". For that reason I rate TLJ as the worst. It almost needs to be stricken from the record somehow.

Yes and Yes.

Rian Johnson: You know what would make a high speed car chase even better?

No one:

Rian Johnson: A slowmotion car chase! In space!

No one:

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by blankall

^^^^^

You don't think this was better?



TPM and TLJ were atrocious in their own ways. TPM was aimed at kids, yet also full of convoluted economic and political debate. TLJ feels like a parody of SW movies more than a SW movie. If SpaceBalls was not funny, it would be TLJ.

The prequel trilogy actually had some good bones to it though. The clone wars, Empire takeover, rise of Darth, end of the Jedi order, etc... were all great concepts. The execution was just so poor. TPM could have been great, if they'd taken the same main concepts, but kept the overall tone in line with the original trilogy.

The new movies have also struggled with this concept of tone. TLJ was, inexplicably, full of near 4th wall breaking quips. Solo started off okay but devolved into a "fun" action movie. If you watch the original trilogy there is all sorts of banter between Shakesperian trained actors, action pieces were built up as well anticipated and thought out battles, etc..

Lucas was obviously trying to sell toys. Disney hasn't even got that right, as they seem to be doing their best to alienate old fans and not capture new ones.

The prequels weren't great, it was sad, because the whole idea of the fall of the Republic and and how it was manipulated by one Sith Lord is a story that needs to be told.


I've said before that for any Star Wars fan the ROTS novel is a must read. Especially the scene that they spent 5 minutes on in the movie and a whole chapter on in the book and that was the seduction of Anakin to the Dark Side part one and two.


In the first part when Anakin discovers that Palpatine was the Sith Lord. They have a amazing conversation that breaks down that the Jedi are what's wrong with the universe, that they're sitting back while the Republic spirals into corruption. Then he asks the pointed question of Anakin about what he wants.


Anakin treats it like a joke, "I want a speeder" Palpatine answers back "What kind". "I want a moon" "How about a bunch of moons" Then Anakin stats that he thinks that Palpatine is joking with him and Palpatine asks him what he really wants. Anakin answers "This war to be over" and Palpatine answers "Is tomorrow soon enough?"


The whole the Jedi and Sith are identical in their goals peace and justice for the galaxy, but only the Sith have the will and desire to make that happen because the Sith command the Force, with the Jedi the Force commands them, and it creates a unfair galaxy.


Then after Anakin saves Palpatine and kills Mace, Palpatine makes him confront his choice and get past what he had done in the name of gaining greater control and power.


I wish the movie could have had those conversations.


I think they should have Harry Pottered the PT and made it 4 movies instead of 3 with ROTS being part 1 and part 2. Instead things got rushed.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

Yes and Yes.

Rian Johnson: You know what would make a high speed car chase even better?

No one:

Rian Johnson: A slowmotion car chase! In space!

No one:

One of the best things for humor that Family Guy exploited in ANH was when Solo saw the Star Destroyers and said "He knew a few maneuvers and that he'd lose them" and then did this slow drift to the right. I wonder if the Resistance Fleet thought of that.


Hodo - "Enact the Solo maneuver"


The whole resistance fleet slowly drifts to the right


General Hux - "Where'd they go"


First Order Lacky - "We've lost them sir"

[Buff]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Yeah what kids are into Star Wars these days? My boys don't even want to see these movies as you say I pretty well have to force them to come to the theatre to see them and they simply won't watch them at home.

My kids are. Aged 14, 11 and 8.

They haven't seen IV, V and VI as much as I have and we're probably on par for I, II and III, but for VII and VIII they have definitely seen them more than me.

I've seen Solo more than them. Rogue One we're probably equal. I appreciated Rogue One much more than they did.