On the topic of punching or not punching Nazis and what's okay to do to stop them, probably the best known historical anecdote, the Battle of Cable Street.
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The Battle of Cable Street is pretty interesting, as I'm sure every possible argument against anti-fascists action currently thrown around could have been made back then, and back then you didn't have the historical perspective on Nazis we know have. The anti-fascists, lead by the far-left back then like they are now, were in the right then and they're in the right now.
You can't be serious with that. I mean really. There was nothing heroic about the anti-facists in that battle. They didn't just attack fascists, they brawled with everyone, and as pointed out woman and children and police officers were brutalized.
All because those idiots that you're idolizing wanted to stop a march contained by police that had no chance of turning violent.
What would have you said, if the Anti-Facists had tried to peacefully march in Germany and were accosted by facists who beat the piss out of them?
Right, that the facists were evil and the anti-facists were heroic.
Antifa, black bloc anarchists, racists, kkk members and neo nazi's need to be put on an island somewhere so that they can brawl for all eternity or until they wipe each other out.
We could probably pay off the worlds debt by selling it on ppv.
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They didn't just attack fascists, they brawled with everyone...
That's kind of the point I've been trying to make. While the "leftwing antifa" is a good narrative, their behaviors are not consistent with a political movement endorsing a particular ideology. They are anarchists. Their behavior is consistent with those who believe in the disruption and destruction of all institutions of power or governance. They do not display any allegiance to any particular ideology and will brawl with anyone, because they just want to disrupt and lash out.
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thanks for sharing. Tough to watch for sure....
It is tough...its hard to watch that sort of ugliness and not feel defeated by it.
That being said, and as I pointed out before, this is a miniscule amount of people in proportion to the population. That is where, I believe, the focus should lie. Though they are clearly very organized and somehow well funded, the fact that they are outnumbered so vastly by those that don't share their beliefs is the starting point to making them completely irrelevant.
As has been said endless times, the thing they need to continue to grow is to get attention to their cause. If they don't get the media coverage and see their stupid ass symbolism all over the internet and mainstream news sites, they don't get any more support.
If you aint moving forward, you're moving backwards as the saying goes. Lets push them backwards, and i say lets do this by entirely ignoring them. There has always been and always will be a certain segment of society who will remain "white supremacy", "Ku Klux Klown", "anti-government militia" types. Nothing will stop that, but most certainly we can limit it and even shrink it with education and understanding what drives these disenfranchised individuals.
Confrontation is exactly what they desire and thrive on.
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This may have been posted a while back in the US Politics thread, I don't know. But it's especially relevant here and a fascinating profile, in a sort of macabre way. Outstanding writer, too.
“The fact that they are excusing violence against Richard Spencer inherently means that they believe that there’s a state of exception, where we can use violence,” he said. “I think they’re actually kind of right.”
“War is politics by other means and politics is war by other means,” he said. “We don’t all want the same thing. And that’s why I think there is a kind of state of war going on.”
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Skip to 7:40, it's only couple minutes. It's an interview with the father of the woman killed. For those who write off all of the US as racist bigots this is a refreshing view of forgiveness, and that there are Americans who deserve our respect and support.
That's kind of the point I've been trying to make. While the "leftwing antifa" is a good narrative, their behaviors are not consistent with a political movement endorsing a particular ideology. They are anarchists. Their behavior is consistent with those who believe in the disruption and destruction of all institutions of power or governance. They do not display any allegiance to any particular ideology and will brawl with anyone, because they just want to disrupt and lash out.
Yeah but saying "leftist antifa" lets people continue to treat this like sports. They need the foil of the left or else what are you supposed to do? Examine the issue of the American conservative courting and fostering the white supremacists mindset for over decade, stockpiling all of this metaphorical tinder, and then acting shocked when someone drops a match on it? Heavens no, that would be ridiculous.
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The Riel situation is a little bit more nuanced. Equating him to confederate officers is perhaps a bit unfair.
The guy led a rebellion and was hung for treason.
Friends of mine went to Louis Riel school here in Calgary. They petitioned the principal to allow them to change the name of their mascot/sports team from the Bisons to the Rebels. The principal would have none of it. What kind of message would the students be getting if the school was associated with rebellion?
Canadians have pretty incoherent feelings about Riel.
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Friends of mine went to Louis Riel school here in Calgary. They petitioned the principal to allow them to change the name of their mascot/sports team from the Bisons to the Rebels. The principal would have none of it. What kind of message would the students be getting if the school was associated with rebellion?
Canadians have pretty incoherent feelings about Riel.
You're all over the place with this post. First part is common knowledge, second part is totally random tangent about some school and the third part is a sweeping generalization that has nothing to do with the first two parts or my post.
Hold on a minute. You really don't understand how his anecdote relates to incoherence on the topic of Louis Riel? Seriously?
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I can't tell what Corsi and Cliff are arguing, but it seems like they're saying "confederates TOO require more nuance! (just like Riel)" which seems about as strong of a condemnation of that ideology as Trump attempted.
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