[News] Flames only qualify 4 players. 9 go to UFA on July 1st (incl Jooris, Colborne, Ortio)

[JiriHrdina]

Boy. Can people just strive to talk a little nicer to each other? Doesn't have to be all rainbows and sunshine but geez louise.

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by calgaryblood

So when 90% of the board, including yourself thought Colborne would be qualified and/or signed, you actually thought he'd be coming in under $2.5 million? Talking about context. Gaudreau and Monahan needed a contract regardless of what happened with Colborne so it's pretty convenient you point to that as the reason when you thought he'd be at least qualified at that same time. Colborne defenders always have an excuse to why he wasn't signed. It can't possibly be because he wasn't looked at as part of the future, it must have been because his ridiculously high salary of $2.5 million was just so insanely high.

And I made it quite clear not many teams would be interested in Colborne and never suggested we'd get anything for him in a trade because I do feel he's a terrible player.

And yes I have given him props multiple times about his work in the community, I seriously don't recall another Flame who was more involved in the community. I was talking about his on ice play and you know that.

It's really not worth discussing with you because you're so blinded by what is an irrational dislike towards the player. It's honestly bizarre.

Several people have pointed out to you that the Flames were on record as saying they would look at negotiating with him after July 1st as they didn't want to pay him what he would have been qualified at. There are several articles mentioning this showing Colborne was made aware but opted to sign for what he knew would be more money. It's a business good on him for doing so.

But you claiming the Flames wanted nothing to do with him because they share your irrational feeling that "he's terrible" - is delusional. They WERE looking to negotiate with him - at a lower dollar amount.

It's 100% fine to think Colborne wasn't worth re-signing at any price. No issues with that opinion. Calling him "terrible" and saying he has no heart or compete is asinine. He busted his a** for us in the playoffs and was solid during his time here. By all accounts he was a well liked team-mate, and his demeanor off the ice plays into that. Suggesting he needs to be kept away from young player because he's a "bad influence" is just you digging deeper and deeper into gross ignorant over-statments here.

[CsInMyBlood]

Pretty obvious the Flames management wasn't really interested in Colborne at any price.

Addition by subtraction. His play this year in Colorado certainly seems to confirm that.

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by CsInMyBlood

Pretty obvious the Flames management wasn't really interested in Colborne at any price.

It's not obvious, but it is moot. By all accounts they were looking to retain him at a lower figure:

http://www.calgarysun.com/2016/06/27...t-to-negotiate

But he took a better offer. He was already aware what Calgary wasn't willing to pay him, and made the best move for him personally.

[Calgary4LIfe]

Originally Posted by CsInMyBlood

Pretty obvious the Flames management wasn't really interested in Colborne at any price.

Addition by subtraction. His play this year in Colorado certainly seems to confirm that.

[Bourque's Twin]

Colborne is a better player than what his stats show this year. Not too long ago Monahan had 8 points in 24 games.

Colborne was simply too soft for what the Flames needed. He and guys like Jooris and Jones were replaced by Brouwer, Tkachuk and Chiasson. That's a big reason why the Flames were able to manhandle the Ducks the other night.

[Zarley]

It's foolish to draw conclusions based on the small sample size we have to work with right now.

[savardandjokinen]

To me if we keep Agostino it was 100%, but I will give management a 95% on that.

[Strange Brew]

I remember Treliving saying something to the effect that the contract Colborne got from CO was not the same money he was asking from the Flames. In other words his price tag went down at start of free agency.

Maybe the Flames wanted no part of him but that is different than what boat parties said publicly. Maybe they dodged a bullet but he is better than his current stats indicate IMO.

[Racki]

Originally Posted by savardandjokinen

To me if we keep Agostino it was 100%, but I will give management a 95% on that.

I could be wrong but I think that there were some things going on behind the scenes with Agostino. It seems like the relationship between player and team had soured. Like I said, this could be a rumour but they parted ways with a player that had been very productive in the AHL kind of abruptly.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

Boy. Can people just strive to talk a little nicer to each other? Doesn't have to be all rainbows and sunshine but geez louise.

I can appreciate your sentiment and I'm probably a guilty party in this, but it's an understandable and perhaps appropriate reaction when you can present overwhelming confirmation of something and have it completely disregarded in favour of hyperbolic vitriol.

Guy who wins the peter maher award 3 years running for nicest guy is a problem for young players to be around?

Calgary4Life nailed it:

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

I remember Treliving saying something to the effect that the contract Colborne got from CO was not the same money he was asking from the Flames. In other words his price tag went down at start of free agency.

Maybe the Flames wanted no part of him but that is different than what boat parties said publicly. Maybe they dodged a bullet but he is better than his current stats indicate IMO.

Colorado held strong. Refused to pay him for shoot outs and declines to use him.

[Mister Yamoto]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Guy who wins the peter maher award 3 years running for nicest guy is a problem for young players to be around?

Makes sense to me. Probably a big part of the reason that the Flames didn't want him back at any price under any circumstance.

The "I don't want him around our kids" argument has always been a laugher for me. First of all, these "kids" are usually millionaires in their twenties. And second of all, how would any of us know who is good or bad in the room?

I remember when all of a sudden some of CP decided that Iginla was a dressing room cancer. Then Glencross was "bad for the kids". I'm sure we aren't far off from turning on Giordano.

Props to Calgaryblood for going after Joe Colbornes' character retroactively. You don't see that often. (Because who the hell cares anymore)

[ToraToraTora]

Originally Posted by Mister Yamoto

I remember when all of a sudden some of CP decided that Iginla was a dressing room cancer. Then Glencross was "bad for the kids". I'm sure we aren't far off from turning on Giordano.

Props to Calgaryblood for going after Joe Colbornes' character retroactively. You don't see that often. (Because who the hell cares anymore)

Sadly, we'll never be as good at it as Boston fans.

[CsInMyBlood]

If the Flames wanted to have Colborne on this team, he would have been on this team.

They didn't, he isn't.

[jaikorven]

Originally Posted by CsInMyBlood

If the Flames wanted to have Colborne on this team, he would have been on this team.

They didn't, he isn't.

Again, he would have been awarded higher than they wanted to pay in arbitration. They did make an offer after July 1, so I would suggest they were interested, just not a "must have" kind of interest.

Let it go...omg

[McG]

I think the Flames wanted Colborne, but at their right price, their term, and a signing at the right time.

I always wonder if players get dumped on when they are asked to do or be a player that they aren't, especially when that means ice time higher up the depth chart.

I'm sorry for Colborne as he appeared to like Calgary, but NHL careers are short so take the loot and enjoy Denver. With so many Flames Alumni, and actually being in Denver, it is as close to being a Flame as you could get if you were not actually in Calgary.

Having said all of that, Flames were looking to build the core and give more playing time to the younger players. Signing Joe would have reduced their playing time, especially on a longer deal. With all due respect, I'm not sure where he would play right now.

[calgaryblood]

Originally Posted by Mister Yamoto

Makes sense to me. Probably a big part of the reason that the Flames didn't want him back at any price under any circumstance.

The "I don't want him around our kids" argument has always been a laugher for me. First of all, these "kids" are usually millionaires in their twenties. And second of all, how would any of us know who is good or bad in the room?

I remember when all of a sudden some of CP decided that Iginla was a dressing room cancer. Then Glencross was "bad for the kids". I'm sure we aren't far off from turning on Giordano.

Props to Calgaryblood for going after Joe Colbornes' character retroactively. You don't see that often. (Because who the hell cares anymore)

Not a single person has said he would be a bad influence in the room or had an attitude problem. Literally no one. His play on the ice would be a bad influence because of his no heart, no passion, pond hockey style of play.

His work in the community was amazing that has not been matched by anyone the Flames have ever had. He's a great person. Can that be more clear? I've said it numerous times before and after his departure. Him being a nice person isn't the issue here and not what anyone is talking about. My comments on Colborne have been consistent since day 1, didn't like him with the Leafs, not as a Flame, and definitely not as an AV. How does a player have one assist in 21 games? You'd think he'd get a few by accident.

[CsInMyBlood]

Originally Posted by calgaryblood

Not a single person has said he would be a bad influence in the room or had an attitude problem. Literally no one. His play on the ice would be a bad influence because of his no heart, no passion, pond hockey style of play.

His work in the community was amazing that has not been matched by anyone the Flames have ever had. He's a great person. Can that be more clear? I've said it numerous times before and after his departure. Him being a nice person isn't the issue here and not what anyone is talking about. My comments on Colborne have been consistent since day 1, didn't like him with the Leafs, not as a Flame, and definitely not as an AV. How does a player have one assist in 21 games? You'd think he'd get a few by accident.

Here is his single assist this year. I believe this can be classified as an accident. LOL

[Resolute 14]

It is pretty clear the Flames wanted to retain Colborne, but only at their price. The two sides negotiated, but ultimately failed to come to an agreement. The Flames' interest in him had clearly ended though when we acquired Chaisson.