[Trade] Flames acquire G Brian Elliott for 35th OA & conditional 2018 3rd

[Scornfire]

The St.Loo fans seem to squarely blame their GM and coaching for him never being a Full Load starter there. I don't see any reason to think he isn't capable of it

[Roof-Daddy]

I was on the Reimer bandwagon but I didn't think we'd get a proven starting goalie for 35th overall, and I didn't think we could get one of the young up and comers which were the only ones I was willing to pay a big price for.

[Bingo]

Back from a family reunion with next to no time near a PC.

Love the Elliot move. It's better than the Riemer option, but isn't blowing their brains out by means of salary extension or giving away assets.

Love his stats. ... curious how much those get adjusted in a Calgary system without Hitchcock driving the bus???

[Textcritic]

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It is really difficult even to guess given the Flames coaching change. With the change from playing behind NYR's airtight defense to the clown corps in Edmonton, Talbot's SP went down 0.01, and he finished with a respectable 0.917. By the same metric I don't see any reason why Elliot cannot produce in the range of 0.920, which easily makes the Flames a playoff team.

[Erick Estrada]

Elliott doesn't need to lead the league in save percentage. As long as he's at .920 this team is in good shape and the penalty kill should be automatically better.

[EVERLAST]

Gulutzan saying we are playing a 5 man 3 zone system makes me happy . BTW that sounds an elite goalie isn't needing to always be relied upon to bail out players on bad giveaways etc.

It amazes me we had more goals Than st loo last year.

We have the player's , speed , and a team committed right off the bat to a new system we should be okay.

Injuries last year to Brodie really hurt this Team to start and Gio getting back into form

[Racki]

As the weekend goes by I love this move more and more.

Think about this - 15 to 18 bad goals a year won't show up in a big way statistically. However, 15 to 18 bad goals a year could be the difference between winning or losing 8 to 10 games. Elliott is known as a guy that doesn't give up those game breaking softies.

This goalie vs last year's goalies could result in 16 - 20 points easy. That gets us into the playoffs.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by EVERLAST

Injuries last year to Brodie really hurt this Team to start and Gio getting back into form

Yup. When I look at this team, I keep coming back to that. Add in Hamilton learning a new system unlike anything he'd played before.

From November 1 on, the team's goal differential was just about even. And that was with the four-way tire fire in the crease. Taking that as the baseline, and adding in a genuine #1 goalie (but subtracting several months of an unimpressive Hudler), I think this is already a bubble team – one or two players away from having a really good shot at a playoff spot.

All they have to do is not mortgage the farm, so whatever improvement they make this year will be sustainable for years to come. I am confident that Treliving will handle that part well.

[Frank MetaMusil]

Originally Posted by EVERLAST

Gulutzan saying we are playing a 5 man 3 zone system makes me happy . BTW that sounds an elite goalie isn't needing to always be relied upon to bail out players on bad giveaways etc.

It amazes me we had more goals Than st loo last year.

We have the player's , speed , and a team committed right off the bat to a new system we should be okay.

Injuries last year to Brodie really hurt this Team to start and Gio getting back into form

The Flames were also better in SA/G (11th vs. 16th)

Goaltending really sunk this team last season.

[Inferno]

Originally Posted by Frank MetaMusil

The Flames were also better in SA/G (11th vs. 16th)

That's something that I think alot of non-Flames fans don't realize. After the trade there was a Penguins fans on the Flames' Facebook who said "have fun watching him face 30+ shots a night". After everyone corrected him all he could talk about was how he won't be our savior.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Frank MetaMusil

The Flames were also better in SA/G (11th vs. 16th)

Not sure shots against is a useful stat in isolation because blocking or allowing point shots is a coach's decision. FWIW this is what Ramo's shot density chart looked like:



vs Elliott



Pretty easy to conclude Ramo saw proportionally more shots that had an actual likelyhood of going in.

[JJ1532]

Originally Posted by Inferno

That's something that I think alot of non-Flames fans don't realize. After the trade there was a Penguins fans on the Flames' Facebook who said "have fun watching him face 30+ shots a night". After everyone corrected him all he could talk about was how he won't be our savior.

And the reply should have been: "We don't need a saviour".

We never have done. We simply need a goalie that can steal a few games here and there, but generally put up consistently average goaltending. Our roster will be good enough in the next few years to not need elite level goaltending. We aren't the Habs, who are entirely dependant on Price.

If Elliott gives us 50-60 games at .915%-.920%, that would be excellent and put us right in the hunt for a play off spot.

[edslunch]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Yup. When I look at this team, I keep coming back to that. Add in Hamilton learning a new system unlike anything he'd played before.



From November 1 on, the team's goal differential was just about even. And that was with the four-way tire fire in the crease. Taking that as the baseline, and adding in a genuine #1 goalie (but subtracting several months of an unimpressive Hudler), I think this is already a bubble team – one or two players away from having a really good shot at a playoff spot.



All they have to do is not mortgage the farm, so whatever improvement they make this year will be sustainable for years to come. I am confident that Treliving will handle that part well.

You mention a new system for Hamilton last year. One concern this season is everyone will be learning a new system and some of the key guys will miss time at WHC. Elliot may need to earn his money in the first month.

[Inferno]

Originally Posted by JJ1532

And the reply should have been: "We don't need a saviour".

We never have done. We simply need a goalie that can steal a few games here and there, but generally put up consistently average goaltending. Our roster will be good enough in the next few years to not need elite level goaltending. We aren't the Habs, who are entirely dependant on Price.

If Elliott gives us 50-60 games at .915%-.920%, that would be excellent and put us right in the hunt for a play off spot.

Yeah, people were pointing out nobody expects him to be a savior and that he was just butthurt the Flames wouldn't give up 6th for Fleury.

As long as we don't see atleast a bad goal a game like we got for most of last season things will be fine with Elliott in net.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Not sure shots against is a useful stat in isolation because blocking or allowing point shots is a coach's decision. FWIW this is what Ramo's shot density chart looked like:



vs Elliott



Pretty easy to conclude Ramo saw proportionally more shots that had an actual likelyhood of going in.

Is that the conclusion? If I'm reading that correctly, it looks like Elliott faced a lot of "home plate" shots, which are the high-danger shots. It looks like a higher percentage of Ramo's shots were from outside that danger area.

[ricosuave]

Does anyone know where this table came from? From what I can tell, the data isn't available anymore from war-on-ice.com. Would like to see how Eliott fits into it...

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by getbak

Is that the conclusion? If I'm reading that correctly, it looks like Elliott faced a lot of "home plate" shots, which are the high-danger shots. It looks like a higher percentage of Ramo's shots were from outside that danger area.

I've outlined the home plate area. Ramo's work load shows shots throughout the HP, whereas Elliott's work load shows that shots were more spread out (there were more of them "supposedly", but less concentrated in the home plate area)

Ramo saw 27.9 SA/G


Elliott saw 26.5 SA/G

[Frank MetaMusil]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

I've outlined the home plate area. Ramo's work load shows shots throughout the HP, whereas Elliott's work load shows that shots were more spread out (there were more of them supposedly, but less concentrated in the home plate area)

TLDR, Ramo is worse than Elliott.

Shocker.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Yup. When I look at this team, I keep coming back to that. Add in Hamilton learning a new system unlike anything he'd played before.

I never bought that excuse for Hamilton. In any given season about a third of players in the NHL are learning a new system. And as was pointed out by edslunch, every player on the Flames will be learning a new system next season. Should we expect them all to play terribly for the first couple months?

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Frank MetaMusil

TLDR, Ramo is worse than Elliott.

Shocker.

Huh? That chart says nothing about how the goalie performed. All it shows is the shots and missed shots faced.