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Poe969 · 01-19-2016, 06:38 AM

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Originally Posted by killer_carlson

Most of the critics make it sound like Scott - who played 4 years and graduated from college - doesn't understand what is going on.

It seems you refuse to acknowledge that he knows exactly what is going on, thinks it will be fun, thinks he'll make some money going, and has the support of teammates.

And it seems awfully personal for you as well.

To an extent, I don't think Scott knows what's going on. I'm sure he knows that he'd make extra money going and that he'd get a few minutes of fame that wasn't involved with a questionable hit where he seriously injured someone. I just don't think he understands that it would be a bit of a black eye on the league, and if he does and he's going along with it it's somewhat disrespectful. Although some, very few, have come out and said that they support him going I wonder how many of them are saying it for the sake of saying it instead of really saying they don't think he should go and how many are just staying quiet because they don't everyone to know how they really feel. I'm willing to bet one of Duclair or Domi would much rather go in his place and I'm thinking most if not all of the people who support Scott going would be just as happy if not more to see one of the rookies who's a future star going.

As for it being personal to me, it kind of is. I enjoy the all star game and I was actually really excited to see Johnny lite it up and set some kind of record. I thought it would be even more enjoyable to see his team win and both Johnny and Gio get a little more recognition from around the league. I got excited at seeing the potential of Johnny playing with some of the best players in the world....and then all this. Most of the people who support Scott going are saying "who cares, the game is meaningless, it's a joke anyway, I'm not going to watch" and things like that. I take offense to that. I like it and I want to see something good, John Scott could be an oiler becauses hes so No Good. I know I'll get piled on for this but I know others agree that this is just another case of one group cyber bullying the other. The people who don't care about it are more than happy to ruin it or make a joke out of it because they just don't like it and could care less about the people who do like it. People are going out of their way to ruin something for no other reason that to take the joy of what should be a fun game away from others. Sure, if Scott played it would be funny but not the same, even if he only played one shift it would put his team at a disadvantage.

I honestly hate when people who don't care about something go out of their way to ruin it for everyone else or try to change into something it's not supposed to be in the first place. Feel free to throw up that crying face again but then ask yourself what kind of person you really are for ruining someone else's fun then making fun of them for it.

Resolute 14 · 01-19-2016, 07:14 AM

Except the NHL forcing him out of the game has turned into a far bigger black eye than allowing him to play would be. You just don't get it, Poe. The league has put itself in a situation where John Scott playing in the All-Star Game is the best outcome for all involved.

PeteMoss · 01-19-2016, 07:20 AM

I'm pretty certain there are no rules for all-star eligibility (because why would there be) and if there are - they can easily be changed to whatever the NHL wants to do - whether that's allowing him to play despite being in the AHL or not letting him play.

That said - a ton of faux outrage on this issue. Or at least people pretending to really care about it. About 5 seconds after the all-star game is played no one will care if he played or didn't.

saillias · 01-19-2016, 07:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

Do we know for sure this was started by trolls? I don't doubt it I've just seen it mentioned about 100 times in this thread and have never seen a link. I'm assuming from Reddit.

And Poe I think it is a small but important distinction, I think the people that supported Scott, in general since obviously there can be many motivations, were making fun of the league by voting in a total plug. They singled out Scott but he was a bystander. Not a target. I'm pretty sure he knows he sucks. This almost certainly wasn't some grassroots 'let's vote in the nicest guy in the league' sympathy campaign.

It's just the purists trying to discredit what was a "grassroots" movement to get Scott in. It's lazy and pretty ignorant to how things go viral on the internet.

No, a couple trolls from Reddit who don't watch hockey didn't form a master plan to put the worst player in the NHL in the all-star game.

Poe969 · 01-19-2016, 07:28 AM

In your opinion it is. In my opinion the game will be better because he isn't there. Guys will actually be able to play hockey instead of fall over from laughing at John Scott try to keep up. I just don't get it...because Scott was traded? Maybe you mean I just didn't get it...meaning my tinfoil hat. If we're going to start theories that the league is making trades then were do we stop? Are they fixing drafts? Fixing games? Come on... if you're going to reply with "the league is controlling everything and they're the bad guys here!" then I don't know what to say to you. If you look at the actual trade, it makes sense for the teams involved. Scott was a throw in because he had to be, the coyotes had to make room and give someone away and since Scott is useless, it was him. The habs got him and since they knew he was useless, they sent him right to the minors. John Scott isn't in the all star game because he isn't in the league. This may be a little hard for some to understand since the media is telling them that he's an all star but he's not in the league because he just isn't good enough. I'm sure the league is laughing that things worked out the way they wanted it to but I guess my tinfoil hat didn't come in time for me to think that they were orchestrating the whole thing. If me not getting it means that I'm not buying into the bs from some of the media and the internet warriors claiming their new champion John Scott is being wronged here, then I don't want it.

Resolute 14 · 01-19-2016, 07:32 AM

Say what you will, Poe. When guys like TSN's legal expert are saying the league should just let him play, then you know the NHL's put itself in a bad position.

sharkov · 01-19-2016, 07:38 AM

The nhl should seen something like this was going to happen from a mile away but did nothing to address this. The nhl should just live with their mistake and let him play.

Poe969 · 01-19-2016, 07:43 AM

So are the TSN legal experts the go to guys now? I guess they make the rules... It's just funny that the teams were selected and then Scott was traded....he no longer plays for the team he was selected to represent, he actually doesn't play in the NHL any longer so he can't really represent anyone because it's the NHL all star game not the "anyone who fans vote in all star game". I'm sure the league could amend things and let Scott be the rep from the Canadians and take away whoever is representing them and then re select someone from the coyotes...they just don't want to. As empowered as some feel because they're online, they don't get the final say. The league doesn't want Scott there for a bunch of reasons and I think one is player safety. Just imagine Johnny is flying out there and he's taking the game serious and something happens where Scott completely screws up and either runs into Johnny and injures him (because lets face it, Scott isn't really good at playing hockey) or Johnny gets mad and Scott gets mad and loses his mind again and knocks Johnny out or some other star or he does something else incredibly terrible (because he's more likely to do something terrible than he is to do something good considering his career). Fans would be outraged that a no talent ogre like Scott was trusted to play with some of the best players in the world. Scott is a liability and his career stats prove that.

Maybe the Canadians should send Scott as their rep and then tell him to just go crazy and injure as many players as possible so it screws over the other teams and helps the Canadians with their playoff push! Scott injuring someone at the game is about as likely as him scoring points.

Resolute 14 · 01-19-2016, 07:46 AM

CorsiHockeyLeague · 01-19-2016, 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Poe

As empowered as some feel because they're online, they don't get the final say. The league doesn't want Scott there for a bunch of reasons and I think one is player safety. Just imagine Johnny is flying out there and he's taking the game serious and something happens where Scott completely screws up and either runs into Johnny and injures him (because lets face it, Scott isn't really good at playing hockey) or Johnny gets mad and Scott gets mad and loses his mind again and knocks Johnny out or some other star or he does something else incredibly terrible (because he's more likely to do something terrible than he is to do something good considering his career).

These all seem like totally likely scenarios.

CorsiHockeyLeague · 01-19-2016, 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by taxbuster

It started from a convo involving Greg Wyshynski of Puck Daddy:

The topic was a central talking point of the Marek vs. Wyshynski hockey podcast that week, and co-hosts Jeff Marek of Sportsnet in Canada and Yahoo!'s Wyshynski riffed on players that would be fun to see in the 3-on-3 format. In jest, Wyshynski blurted out Scott's name, mostly because of what he might look like trying to keep up with faster, more skilled stars.

From: https://sports.vice.com/en_us/articl...d-nhl-all-star

From there, well. Internet.

It was also proposed, totally independently on the same day by the Steve Dangle podcast. They basically suggested giving nominations to unexpected players. They wanted Shayne Gostisbehere for the Met, because he has a funny name... Oddly, their nominee for the Atlantic was Komarov, who got in anyway.

GioforPM · 01-19-2016, 08:37 AM

Friedman says the NHL had nothing to do with the trade and what Friedman says, I believe.

Poe969 · 01-19-2016, 08:38 AM

It's about as likely as the league orchestrating the trade to get Scott out of the game. I just figured since we're all wearing tinfoil hats and coming up with conspiracy theories it would fit the bill.

Oil Stain · 01-19-2016, 08:42 AM

I thought it was funny the first time when the fans attempted to vote Rory Fitzpatrick into the all-star game.

The NHL didn't have any problem letting Zemgus Girgensons play. They might not have even had an issue with John Scott being there had the All-Star game still been in the old format. He could have blended in a bit 5 on 5.

However the NHL is trying to showcase the new format, and John Scott would be a disaster for that.

I'm actually interested in watching the 3 on 3 format, and I think it'll be pretty entertaining compared to the usual game. Scott would not had added to the entertainment factor. The joke is already old, and that's all he would have been good for.

Scott should have taken the NHL's offer to attend as a ceremonial figurehead. Quit while you're ahead.

Jordan! · 01-19-2016, 08:45 AM

Why is this such a big deal? The NHL All-Star game isn't even for die hard fans, it's to attract new fans to the game and showcase it's stars.

Die hard fans with no life at all made a mockery of the system, and of John Scott himself as the butt end of a joke. He should've declined in my opinion.

Jordan! · 01-19-2016, 08:46 AM

Also, since when was the All-star game/festivities not a fun thing to watch?? Is this something new?

GirlySports · 01-19-2016, 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Oil Stain

I thought it was funny the first time when the fans attempted to vote Rory Fitzpatrick into the all-star game.

The NHL didn't have any problem letting Zemgus Girgensons play. They might not have even had an issue with John Scott being there had the All-Star game still been in the old format. He could have blended in a bit 5 on 5.

However the NHL is trying to showcase the new format, and John Scott would be a disaster for that.

I'm actually interested in watching the 3 on 3 format, and I think it'll be pretty entertaining compared to the usual game. Scott would not had added to the entertainment factor. The joke is already old, and that's all he would have been good for.

Scott should have taken the NHL's offer to attend as a ceremonial figurehead. Quit while you're ahead.

That's fine. The NHL should have kyboshed the Scott vote back in December. They liked the web hits and the publicity.

GreenLantern · 01-19-2016, 08:56 AM

One question, were the Manitowoc County Sheriffs spotted anywhere near the NHL trade office during this transaction?

codynw · 01-19-2016, 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Bouw N Arrow

Also, since when was the All-star game/festivities not a fun thing to watch?? Is this something new?

I guess it might be fun to watch if you're used to watching Coyotes games. Nice change of pace.

killer_carlson · 01-19-2016, 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by GirlySports

That's fine. The NHL should have kyboshed the Scott vote back in December. They liked the web hits and the publicity.

exactly.

Then they changed the rules.

As an aside, any idea how much salary John Scott has lost due to suspensions in his career?

And how would that compare to what he would earn going to the all star game?

And how much would a person enjoy earning that money back, at the same time as watching the people who "took" it from you squirm?