[Rumour] Travis Hamonic requests trade. Western Canada preferred destination

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

I would like to see Calgary build a package around Ian White.

Maybe include Nik Hagman to sweeten the deal.

Hope you are giving yourself a pat on the back because you are hilarious

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

Now you've gone full whine.

Originally Posted by The Yen Man

Lol, it's the same joke you posted 16 posts earlier.

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Hope you are giving yourself a pat on the back because you are hilarious

Sorry, I thought this thread was for unrealistic trade scenarios for Hamonic.

[Badgers Nose]

Someone suggested that Hamonic was a 25 year old Regehr. Really, i don't see it.

Flames need a mean defenseman, a 1st line RW and an agitator.

Hamonic does not help the shopping list.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

Someone suggested that Hamonic was a 25 year old Regehr. Really, i don't see it.

Flames need a mean defenseman, a 1st line RW and an agitator.

Hamonic does not help the shopping list.

Flames need a heck of a lot more than that if their end goal is to be a perennial Stanley Cup contender IMO.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

Someone suggested that Hamonic was a 25 year old Regehr. Really, i don't see it.

Flames need a mean defenseman, a 1st line RW and an agitator.

Hamonic does not help the shopping list.

Ferland could do the last one. I agree they could use a really punishing defenceman like Reg. Mind you, he developed into that - he was too nice his first few years.

I don't care as much about a "first line RW" as I'd like two top lines with at least 2 great players on each (one being a centre). The extra winger can just be good enough to play with them. Like you could slot in a useful player with Gretzky and Kurri, the Sedins, Hall and Oates, Trottier and Bossy, Getzlaf and Perry, etc.

[saillias]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

Someone suggested that Hamonic was a 25 year old Regehr. Really, i don't see it.

Flames need a mean defenseman, a 1st line RW and an agitator.

Hamonic does not help the shopping list.

There are no modern 25 year old Regehrs really. That kind of player doesn't exist past a few older guys. People have been comparing Hamonic to Regehr in the sense of a shutdown player, which he is.

[Komskies]

Originally Posted by saillias

There are no modern 25 year old Regehrs really. That kind of player doesn't exist past a few older guys. People have been comparing Hamonic to Regehr in the sense of a shutdown player, which he is.

The only ones I can think of are Luke Schenn, Dalton Prout, Jared Cowan, maybe Eric Gryba, Simon Despres, and Robert Bortuzzo.

[Da_Chief]

Originally Posted by Komskies

The only ones I can think of are Luke Schenn, Dalton Prout, Jared Cowan, maybe Eric Gryba, Simon Despres, and Robert Bortuzzo.

I know you're saying they play a rough style like Robyn did but lumping these guys with Robyn Regher is an insult to Regher. He was a beast in his prime.

[SuperMatt18]

I like Hamonic but I have a hard time nailing down his value.

Islanders want another good d-man under team control in return but it will be hard to give up a player like that for Hamonic since it's hard to determine if he would really be an upgrade.

He is a very good defensive d-man, moves the puck well, but isn't going to be a top pairing PP guy or be a guy that puts up a ton of points.

Had a good season with 33 points last year, but no points and only 3 assists through 20 games this season.

People are expecting a bigger return then what we paid for Hamilton, which seems to be weird.

The most direct comparable return IMO would probably be Johnny Boychuk getting traded from Boston would it not, and he was worth 2 second rounders.

Have to think the end trade is going to be a d-man with slightly less upside, with some sweeteners added in.

[Jacks]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I don't care as much about a "first line RW" as I'd like two top lines with at least 2 great players on each (one being a centre). The extra winger can just be good enough to play with them. Like you could slot in a useful player with Gretzky and Kurri, the Sedins, Hall and Oates, Trottier and Bossy, Getzlaf and Perry, etc.

Haha, I always called them that too

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I don't care as much about a "first line RW" as I'd like two top lines with at least 2 great players on each (one being a centre). The extra winger can just be good enough to play with them. Like you could slot in a useful player with Gretzky and Kurri, the Sedins, Hall and Oates, Trottier and Bossy, Getzlaf and Perry, etc.

Exactly it's rare to really have a true top 6 where people fit their role exactly.

Hell Kariya and Selanne were one of the top pairs in NHL history...with Steve Rucchin as their center.

[puckedoff]

I still think Hamonic for Hamilton straight up is a good deal and could make both (mostly Calgary's) team better

[Poe969]

Wow, that'll send a great message to people. We just traded for a highly coveted player then signed him to a long term deal and trade him after 20 games?!?!?!

Some people around here are out of their minds. And I don't think Hamonic has nearly as high of a ceiling as Hamilton does. Hamilton will be a legit top pairing guy with Brodie, Hamonic would be a great second pairing guy who could play top pairing.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

The most direct comparable return IMO would probably be Johnny Boychuk getting traded from Boston would it not, and he was worth 2 second rounders.

Not really comparable. 30 year UFA with 1 year left on his contract before asking for a big raise (signed 7 year extension with Islanders for 42M), compared to a 25 year old signed until he is 30 on a contract with a cap hit under 4M.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by puckedoff

I still think Hamonic for Hamilton straight up is a good deal and could make both (mostly Calgary's) team better

Nope. Disagree. I greatly disagree.

I've no idea what the !@#$ is going on around here, but Hamonic is not better than Hamilton. Hamilton is 3 years younger, has accomplished more, and outside of a bad start (where the ENTIRE TEAM WAS AWFUL), he's still the better d-man.

I say this liking Hamonic's game a fair bit, but no - he's just not better than Hamilton. If we could land Hamonic and put him alongside Giordano, Hamilton and Brodie and roll those 4 as our top 4 for the next half decade, it would be amazing - but no way are we moving Hamilton for Hamonic.

The "grass is greener" sentiment around here is crazy.

We can show Gaudreau and Monahan all the patience in the world during their struggles, but the moment Hamilton strings together 10 bad games - he's off the team!

I'm afraid of what this board will be like next year when Monahan and Gaudreau are making around 7M each and go through a scoring funk. Eesh, we'd be lucky to get a 4th round pick for Johnny during a 6 game pointless streak next season, but we should probably sell high at that stage so as to not expose ourselves down the road.

[IamNotKenKing]

Originally Posted by Komskies

The only ones I can think of are Luke Schenn, Dalton Prout, Jared Cowan, maybe Eric Gryba, Simon Despres, and Robert Bortuzzo.

You take that back. Right now.

[Lil Pedro]

Originally Posted by puckedoff

I still think Hamonic for Hamilton straight up is a good deal and could make both (mostly Calgary's) team better

Thank god you aren't a GM

[sureLoss]

Originally Posted by D as in David

Since it appears that his desire is to be near Winnipeg and locations like Calgary and Edmonton apparently fit the bill as being close enough (taking into consideration non-stop flights to and from), I'm surprised that we haven't heard that Toronto or Chicago are options, as well. Both cities offer non-stop flights to Winnipeg and are just a little bit longer of flight times than those to Calgary and Edmonton.

I wonder if that is Snow's doing, doesn't want to trade him to another team in the Eastern conference ruling out teams like Detroit or Toronto.

I wouldn't be surprised if Chicago is on the next round of teams they talk to if the Wild and Avs don't yield anything promising.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

Not really comparable. 30 year UFA with 1 year left on his contract before asking for a big raise (signed 7 year extension with Islanders for 42M), compared to a 25 year old signed until he is 30 on a contract with a cap hit under 4M.

It's why it's tough. There are no real comparables in terms of determining value.

Phaneuf and Hamilton are close but both had much better offensive pedigrees.

In terms of the player himself Boychuk is probably the closest but he was 29 and 1 year away from UFA when traded.

Myers/Bogosian are probably close but the other pieces in that trade (Kane/Draft Picks) make it really hard to compare in terms of value.

Is Hamonic more valuable then Jack or Eric Johnson were at the time that they were traded? Probably not, but people seem to think the returns will be in the similar ball park or more, not even considering both of those guys were traded with a 1st rounder when they were dealt.

[Komskies]

Originally Posted by Da_Chief

I know you're saying they play a rough style like Robyn did but lumping these guys with Robyn Regher is an insult to Regher. He was a beast in his prime.

Right. I wasn't trying to say they are the same calibre as Regehr (because they aren't), I was just listing off guys that around around 25, similar size and weight, and put up similar numbers to Regehr (points, hits, PIMs). Nothing more, nothing less.