2015/2016 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[Moneyhands23]

Originally Posted by Benched

don't care if we lock up MoneyHands for long term

IV been locked up before...I didn't like it

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Beatle17

Wouldn't this be considered tampering if this actually leaked from the Oilers staff somewhere? It is probably OK to discuss internally but as soon as it gets public it becomes tampering to talk about other teams players, or am I understanding that incorrectly.

Why would it be tampering. It's a conversation about considering making an offer sheet. It'd be tampering if they spoke to him or his agent before Thrusday.

I am sure the Bruins know the real distinct possibility one is coming from any team. Pretty sure they don't care who tells who if they're thinking of doing so.

[Walter Reed]

Unless Edmonton has directly approached a agent with discussions of an offer sheet outside of authorized parameters I'm not aware of how that might be construed as tampering. Having discussions concerning offer sheets internally takes place in every organization.
As far as information being leaked, if anything it would not be advantages to the team considering a offer for these strategies to become public but how it differs than a potential trade being leaked I'm unsure.

[taco.vidal]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Chris Nichols @NicholsOnHockey
LeBrun: I'm not sure they will, but #Oilers have had internal discussions about offer-sheeting Hamilton. #Bruins

Do the Oilers have the cap space to make an offer enticing enough for Hamilton to want to come to edmonton?
People often seem to forget that although the team can offersheet any player thats elligible, its ultimately the player that needs to make the decision to sign the offer sheet. Does Hamilton want to join the Oilers?

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Cyclops

Seems that there is a desperation to get Kessel out of Toronto and it doesn't seem like there are too many teams that are looking to take on salary for a player that is as inconsistent as Kessel. Hudler has shown over the past 2 years that he is a top tier player in this league. I wouldn't make that trade 1 for 1 as Kessel is a massive question mark with his play and attitude. Once the Leafs realize that they aren't going to get what they want for him then it will depend on how much they want to get rid of him in terms of what they are going to get.

I'm not exactly sure what kind of player, 1st and prospect you think a team is giving up but I think you are going to be highly let down in the end.

Look, I get it. Flames fans are head over heals with their team. No one can do no wrong and they're all a bunch of winners destined for a meteoric rise to greatness.

but lets take a good look at the reality of the situation here. There is a reason why Jiri Hudler was a 3rd liner on the Red Wings. There is a reason why the Wings chose not to prioritize him as an asset and let him go. There is a reason why Hudler has been passed over for the Czech team numerous times. There is a reason why, when he hit free agency, he signed with the then lowly Flames (not a lot of guys were eager to sign with a losing fanchise smack dab in the Canadian prairie ie pretty freaking low on the destination chart).

but things have gone well for Hudler here, and good on him. but smoke and mirrors aside Hudler is not a legitimate top line player on a contending team. Top six, maybe. He's a nice piece, but that's about it.

Kessel on the other hand is 4 years younger, taller, bigger, more dangerous, has better counting stats, and despite the fact he plays for the leafs (and therefore sucks in the eyes of some) is somehow precieved to be of lesser value. Kessel just scored 25 on one of the worst teams in the league with Tyler Bozak as his center on an 'off' year. Hudler has scored more than 25 once. What's Kessel going to do on a legitmate top line with a high end play maker? 50 goals 90 pts?

I don't think 'desperate' is the appropriate word regarding the leafs desire to trade Kessel. They're interested in trading him because the assets he can fetch the leafs at this point in time is more valuble to this particular team right now and moving forward. No different than Iginla was to the Flames. Only difference is the Flames held on to Iggy 2-3 years longer than they should have for a variety of reasons.

The Flames should be shopping Hudler and try to cash in on his success. But the Leafs will get more for their asset than the Flames will. A lot more.

[Finger Cookin]

Originally Posted by TOfan

but lets take a good look at the reality of the situation here. There is a reason why Jiri Hudler was a 3rd liner on the Red Wings. There is a reason why the Wings chose not to prioritize him as an asset and let him go. There is a reason why Hudler has been passed over for the Czech team numerous times. There is a reason why, when he hit free agency, he signed with the then lowly Flames (not a lot of guys were eager to sign with a losing fanchise smack dab in the Canadian prairie ie pretty freaking low on the destination chart).

Is it a different reason than the reason(s) that Kessel has been a gigantic ****ing loser his entire career? Because if those reasons are different, that alone is enough reason to go with Hudler instead of Kessel, regardless of Hudler's shortcomings.

[H2SO4(aq)]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Look, I get it. Flames fans are head over heals with their team. No one can do no wrong and they're all a bunch of winners destined for a meteoric rise to greatness.

but lets take a good look at the reality of the situation here. There is a reason why Jiri Hudler was a 3rd liner on the Red Wings. There is a reason why the Wings chose not to prioritize him as an asset and let him go. There is a reason why Hudler has been passed over for the Czech team numerous times. There is a reason why, when he hit free agency, he signed with the then lowly Flames (not a lot of guys were eager to sign with a losing fanchise smack dab in the Canadian prairie ie pretty freaking low on the destination chart).

but things have gone well for Hudler here, and good on him. but smoke and mirrors aside Hudler is not a legitimate top line player on a contending team. Top six, maybe. He's a nice piece, but that's about it.

Kessel on the other hand is 4 years younger, taller, bigger, more dangerous, has better counting stats, and despite the fact he plays for the leafs (and therefore sucks in the eyes of some) is somehow precieved to be of lesser value. Kessel just scored 25 on one of the worst teams in the league with Tyler Bozak as his center on an 'off' year. Hudler has scored more than 25 once. What's Kessel going to do on a legitmate top line with a high end play maker? 50 goals 90 pts?

I don't think 'desperate' is the appropriate word regarding the leafs desire to trade Kessel. They're interested in trading him because the assets he can fetch the leafs at this point in time is more valuble to this particular team right now and moving forward. No different than Iginla was to the Flames. Only difference is the Flames held on to Iggy 2-3 years longer than they should have for a variety of reasons.

The Flames should be shopping Hudler and try to cash in on his success. But the Leafs will get more for their asset than the Flames will. A lot more.

Have you ever been to Calgary? We're smack dab at the base of the foothills, which lead to a little know mountain range a mere 50ish minutes away. Calgary is one of the wealthiest cities in Canada and boasts a higher standard of living than most of the cities which host NHL franchises...

Furthermore, you keep saying "there was a reason" hudler was a 3rd liners, didn't make the olympic team, etc. Care to share what that reason is?

Also, it is not acceptable to sit here and compare Kessel as a player vs. Hudler as a player, because we live in a cap world. You have to look at the big picture which is Kessel as a player on his contract, and Hudler as a player on his contract. When you start adding everything up together, their trade values might be a lot closer than you would like. Just the reality of the business in a cap system, and sadly for your sake, Kessel's contract is very long term wise, making it a huge risk to trade for him, and therefore, lowering his trade value.

[Beatle17]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Why would it be tampering. It's a conversation about considering making an offer sheet. It'd be tampering if they spoke to him or his agent before Thrusday.

I am sure the Bruins know the real distinct possibility one is coming from any team. Pretty sure they don't care who tells who if they're thinking of doing so.

Quick google search shows that this false:

NHL fines Maple Leafs for tampering

Wednesday, 10.07.2009 / 6:31 PM / News
Associated Press

Print


NEW YORK (AP) -The NHL fined the Toronto Maple Leafs an undisclosed amount after ruling that coach Ron Wilson was guilty of tampering when he expressed interest in Vancouver Canucks forwards Henrik and Daniel Sedin before they reached free agency.
NHL deputy commissioner Bill Daly announced the penalty Wednesday in a news release. Wilson made reference to the Canucks twins during an interview when they were still under contract with the Canucks. Both players reached new deals to stay with Vancouver.

[bax]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Look, I get it. Flames fans are head over heals with their team. No one can do no wrong and they're all a bunch of winners destined for a meteoric rise to greatness.

but lets take a good look at the reality of the situation here. There is a reason why Jiri Hudler was a 3rd liner on the Red Wings. There is a reason why the Wings chose not to prioritize him as an asset and let him go. There is a reason why Hudler has been passed over for the Czech team numerous times. There is a reason why, when he hit free agency, he signed with the then lowly Flames (not a lot of guys were eager to sign with a losing fanchise smack dab in the Canadian prairie ie pretty freaking low on the destination chart).

but things have gone well for Hudler here, and good on him. but smoke and mirrors aside Hudler is not a legitimate top line player on a contending team. Top six, maybe. He's a nice piece, but that's about it.

Kessel on the other hand is 4 years younger, taller, bigger, more dangerous, has better counting stats, and despite the fact he plays for the leafs (and therefore sucks in the eyes of some) is somehow precieved to be of lesser value. Kessel just scored 25 on one of the worst teams in the league with Tyler Bozak as his center on an 'off' year. Hudler has scored more than 25 once. What's Kessel going to do on a legitmate top line with a high end play maker? 50 goals 90 pts?

I don't think 'desperate' is the appropriate word regarding the leafs desire to trade Kessel. They're interested in trading him because the assets he can fetch the leafs at this point in time is more valuble to this particular team right now and moving forward. No different than Iginla was to the Flames. Only difference is the Flames held on to Iggy 2-3 years longer than they should have for a variety of reasons.

The Flames should be shopping Hudler and try to cash in on his success. But the Leafs will get more for their asset than the Flames will. A lot more.

Look I get it too. The leafs have some dark years ahead of them and trading Kessel is a way to fast track through those dark years by acquiring young assets.

The fact of the matter is Kessel, although highly skilled has been consistently critiqued for his lack of dedication to a team game. Yes he puts up numbers, but at the end of the day does he really help you win all that much? He has also been critiqued for not buying into the coaches system.

Hudler on the other hand has been a great mentor for all the young players on the flames and has truly bought in and set a good example. The fact he was not chosen for the Czech Olympic team has zero to do with his ability and everything to do with politics. A blind monkey could see that Hudler should have been on that team. He was also a top line player on a team that went to the second round of the playoffs so I would say he is quite useful.

Combine these points with the fact that Hudler makes 4 million and Kessel makes 8 million and its glaringly obvious which player a team would rather have in a cap world.

I'm not saying Kessel is a bad piece, because I do think he's a skilled offensive player, but he's hard to justify with that price tag.

Also Calgary is not "in the middle of the Canadian prairies."

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Beatle17

Quick google search shows that this false:

NHL fines Maple Leafs for tampering

Wednesday, 10.07.2009 / 6:31 PM / News
Associated Press

Print


NEW YORK (AP) -The NHL fined the Toronto Maple Leafs an undisclosed amount after ruling that coach Ron Wilson was guilty of tampering when he expressed interest in Vancouver Canucks forwards Henrik and Daniel Sedin before they reached free agency.
NHL deputy commissioner Bill Daly announced the penalty Wednesday in a news release. Wilson made reference to the Canucks twins during an interview when they were still under contract with the Canucks. Both players reached new deals to stay with Vancouver.

That would be quite different than internal discussions though, which is what LeBrun tweeted.

[SuperMatt18]

I feel like Brett Hull had a rep as a one dimensional scorer, who was in poor shape, didn't play defense and was no good in the playoffs too.

Then he scored a cup winning goal.

Hull was much better at that one dimension, but feel like the reputations are similar.

[Beatle17]

Originally Posted by transplant99

That would be quite different than internal discussions though, which is what LeBrun tweeted.

Not if it is leaked to the press by the team, such as LeBrun's tweet. Either he is speculating or someone told him that they are in fact planning on making an offer. If it is the latter then it is tampering.

[Finger Cookin]

How many other times have tampering fines been handed out in the NHL, other than that case from 6 years ago under a no-longer-current CBA?

The chances of the Oilers getting fined for tampering due to that tweet are essentially zero.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Beatle17

Not if it is leaked to the press by the team, such as LeBrun's tweet. Either he is speculating or someone told him that they are in fact planning on making an offer. If it is the latter then it is tampering.

Disagree. Teams discuss "internally" other players all the time...how else would they ever come to a conclusion to make an offer sheet or even make a trade for that matter. The entire hockey department would have to have talks among one another for anything to happen...pretty much ever.

Tampering would only be applicable if it could be proven that the leak was

a) from the Oilers AND was done so in an effort to hurt the Bruins ability to re-sign Hamilton
or
b) said/expressed interest in the player publically as in the example above
or
c) the player or the agent was contacted by an Oiler management/coach before the RFA status was reached.

Nothing thus far indicates any of those things have occurred.

[Incogneto]

Originally Posted by H2SO4(aq)

Have you ever been to Calgary? We're smack dab at the base of the foothills, which lead to a little know mountain range a mere 50ish minutes away. Calgary is one of the wealthiest cities in Canada and boasts a higher standard of living than most of the cities which host NHL franchises...

Furthermore, you keep saying "there was a reason" hudler was a 3rd liners, didn't make the olympic team, etc. Care to share what that reason is?

Also, it is not acceptable to sit here and compare Kessel as a player vs. Hudler as a player, because we live in a cap world. You have to look at the big picture which is Kessel as a player on his contract, and Hudler as a player on his contract. When you start adding everything up together, their trade values might be a lot closer than you would like. Just the reality of the business in a cap system, and sadly for your sake, Kessel's contract is very long term wise, making it a huge risk to trade for him, and therefore, lowering his trade value.

Don't forget that we have the lowest tax rate of any team in the NHL. Some players find that keeping their money is pretty appealing.

[saillias]

Originally Posted by TOfan

but lets take a good look at the reality of the situation here. There is a reason why Jiri Hudler was a 3rd liner on the Red Wings. There is a reason why the Wings chose not to prioritize him as an asset and let him go. There is a reason why Hudler has been passed over for the Czech team numerous times. There is a reason why, when he hit free agency, he signed with the then lowly Flames (not a lot of guys were eager to sign with a losing fanchise smack dab in the Canadian prairie ie pretty freaking low on the destination chart).

Did you really just try to educate us on our top scorer for the past 3 years? Your there's a reason speech doesn't pass the sniff test, sorry. Try using facts.

[Vinny01]

So Galchenyuk fired his agent and is pisswd about his role in Montreal?

If he is moved a lot of teams would line up. One pkayer I would consider moving Porier for but even then these rumors make him sound like a Russian head case (even though he is American born)

[puds]

In a vacuum, Kessel is a better player but even without considering cap hit I still take Hudler over him. I don't think you can make the argument that Kessel scoring 25 on one of the worst teams in the league is that great of an accomplishment. In fact, I think it strengthens peoples argument that Kessel is a player that puts individual statistics over team accomplishments. Most analysts pegged the Flames to finish below the the Leafs this year but because of contributions players like Hudler we made the playoffs and even won a round.

The problem with Kessel is he is paid to the be the go to guy on a team. When in reality he is a secondary piece on an elite team. Hudler, on the other hand is a secondary piece who this season elevated his play so that he was a primary piece.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

I feel like Brett Hull had a rep as a one dimensional scorer, who was in poor shape, didn't play defense and was no good in the playoffs too.

Then he scored a cup winning goal that should not have counted.

Hull was much better at that one dimension, but feel like the reputations are similar.

fyp

[Vinny01]

Not sure if posted but Portzline put on Twitter that due to the cap "you can get a heck of a player with a second round pick"