YLYL Thread and other things...

[Eastern Girl]

Originally Posted by Sliver

OMG that is completely over the top. Your neice lives in one of the best countries in the best time in the history of humanity to be female and things are only getting better by the year. The past week on CalgaryPuck is evidence of how promising the future is for gender equality. The mods made a great decision and are going to pull the less enlightened of us along with them into a more inclusive future.

My wife and I regularly talk about how lucky our daughter is to grow up here and now versus any other place or time in history. I marvel at how other cultures today and ours in past times could look at their daughters as inferior to their sons. I truly cannot wrap my head around that as I have a son and a daughter.

I do find your tone strange on this topic. 'Weeping' for your neice seems dramatic and disingenuous to me. I'm optimistic for the futures of little girls in Canada right now; I think some of them may never even know sexism and they certainly won't experience it to the same level as every other woman that came before them had to experience it.

I haven't been following your posts or this topic until the last page and unfortunately I don't have time to go through everything. I only made the comment about your avatar because I genuinely found hard to take you seriously talking about this issue with a half naked man as the photo you chose to be your visual representation for us, coupled with your location being 'sc'ank'. Thank you for changing your avatar.

The tone of my post was one of sadness. I was sad when I wrote it. Reading it back, that definitely seeped through. I think it's sad that it came to this, and frankly, you can keep your thanks. I didn't take it down because you politely requested it. I did it in the interest of keeping the conversation going. I will say that what is odd to me is that you didn't take the time to read through the threads, but you managed to find time to request my avatar to come down. I hope you find the time to also politely make requests for the boob/ass/"No Fat Chicks" avatars to come down.

I was optimistic when the mods took the thread down. I saw it as a positive step, but the negative reaction from some has diminished that optimism for me. I see a lot of anger, both on the board and in 'real life.' That is why I said I weep for my niece. Perhaps that was a poor choice of words, but it upsets me knowing that she will face sexism, and she will.

You really see a future where they might not ever see sexism? I can't see it, nor imagine it. I see targeted anger (look at Emma Watson's situation). I see some of our choices up for debate and that is difficult to bear. A lot of women and men fought to gain these choices and now suits are debating whether we should be able to keep them.

I think it sucks that you chose to determine the validity of my arguments based on my avatar and location.

[SeeBass]

Originally Posted by Eastern Girl

I don't know what's left to say. I'm not sure I have much left in me to say truthfully. I feel very strongly about this topic and my opinion has not swayed. I maintain that this board can be a very unwelcoming place for the religious and americans. I think the way I have been treated (by some, not all) in this thread and others serves as an example of how unwelcoming this site can be for the religious and americans.

I posted my thoughts, after being asked for them, and I took a beating for it. I've been called whiny, loud, self righteous, childish, hypocritical, too sensitive/PC, and was part of the squeaky wheel club. And why? Because I asked people to think before they speak. Some took what I thought was a simple request, and turned it on its ear talking about extreme "what if" scenarios. It hurts to see an argument that I thought was made sincerely and thoughtfully belittled and rejected as imagined anti religious and Canadian inferiority complex.

It's especially unfair, in my opinion, because all we did was ask for some consideration and respect. I didn't ask for a complete crackdown on anything remotely directed at the religious or americans. I am honestly shocked at the reaction. I didn't think this would be such a controversial situation. I am a very laid back person, but some of what I have read in this thread truly breaks my heart. I have a religious American friend and I weep thinking about what she is going to have to face in her lifetime.

I thought we had a decent discussion going on at times, but it's been derailed with discussion and focus on my avatar. So in the interest of moving forward, I will take down my avatar. I am doing this so we can move on with the discussion and we can hopefully come to some understanding of what can be done to better the site. I am also hoping that others will follow suit and reconsider their avatars.

Since this post seems to be creeping into martyrdom territory, I will wrap this up by saying that I really do feel strongly about this topic. I've experience discrimination on a near daily basis, so it is difficult to not respond to some posts with anything but anger. If my anger got the better of me as a result, I apologize. If you think I've been childish, please don't let that paint our whole argument as simple angry ramblings that are without merit.

Would PMking or Hoz been thanked just as much if they had these feelings in regards to some of the posts you read on Godless apostate or US mass shooting or US politics? I read some of the posts and I must commend some of the US posters on here. They are full of generalizations and ignorant comments directed at massive populations. I believe we have lost some American posters on here from such comments. I know I wouldn't feel very included or welcome either if I was on a US site reading constant Canadian bashing.
If some women posters have had negative feelings to some comments and pictures that is more than fair. If CP used those parameters to delete a thread then fine. Action was taken and the reasons defended.
My question is why do we not use the same measurement for the constant attack on the religious and americans?
CP shouldn't be cherry picking issues and ignoring others. If CP and other posters are going to walk the talk then it looks just silly not to include everyone that may be offended.
I of course expect the follow up posts about how sexism is different from anti Americanism or anti religious comments. Yes they are different but if you were at work and said many of the same statements in front of a person of faith or an American and they told HR. Would you think that you were in the right still?
If we have set a bar at why a thread is deleted then that bar should be set for everybodies desire to feel inclusive?

[Caged Great]

Originally Posted by Eastern Girl

I was optimistic when the mods took the thread down. I saw it as a positive step, but the negative reaction from some has diminished that optimism for me. I see a lot of anger, both on the board and in 'real life.' That is why I said I weep for my niece. Perhaps that was a poor choice of words, but it upsets me knowing that she will face sexism, and she will.

Change is never easy, nor is it quick with limited exceptions. It is a positive step, and the reaction was definitely expected, at least on my part. Everybody complains when something as irrelevant as when facebook changes their layout. This is actually challenging a set of norms.

You should remain optimistic though because even though there will always be issues like this, at least people are not hiding their concerns in the closet any more. If it isn't brought up, it cannot be discussed and potentially addressed. Just like the Ray Rice situation in football and now how that whole issue, which was formerly a non issue, is now getting dealt with.

[Thor]

Well since I'm often involved in the religious discussions, are we suggesting that because it can offend religious people to consider removing those as well? Misogyny is one thing, but debating religion is akin to debating politics. They can be heated and not nice at times, but its something that a lot of people are passionate about discussing.

I agree with the move to remove that thread, but I can't agree with stopping religious discussions because some people might be offended or feel unwelcome, again you can choose to read those threads, if its something that you are sensitive to that is.

[longsuffering]

Originally Posted by Sliver

As a matter of fact, yes I am happier with your new avatar versus the close up of a bulging penis wrapped in spandex. Even with your explanation, I don't understand the point of such a tactless avatar, tbh. But that's moot now anyway since you changed it, so thank you.

In all your time on this form have you ever asked a male to take down a 'tactless avatar'? Didn't think so.

I look forward to you asking every guy with a sexy avatar to pull it down out of respect for your sensitive nature. It would be hypocritical of you not to. And you're no hypocrite, right?

That said, I'm almost surprised that you don't feel the need to protest a doggie avatar.


MOD EDIT: No insults, please.

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by longsuffering

In all your time on this form have you ever asked a male to take down a 'tactless avatar'? Didn't think so.

I look forward to you asking every guy with a sexy avatar to pull it down out of respect for your sensitive nature. It would be hypocritical of you not to. And you're no hypocrite, right?

That said, I'm almost surprised that you don't feel the need to protest a doggie avatar.

Why are you being so rude? And, I did ask everyone with a sexualized avatar to take them down. It was in the same sentence ffs.

Originally Posted by Sliver

I haven't chimed in on this issue at all, but I would like to politely request you change your avatar, Eastern Girl, as well as anybody else with a sexualized avatar.

[WinnipegFan]

I am fairly new around the CP as far as posts go, but I read the forum daily. I was never a poster or a fan of the thread that we are discussing. However, the discussion of feminism is one I engage in on a daily basis. It is a core aspect of the lessons I teach and the choices I make in the literature my students are exposed to.

I find it encouraging that Emma Watson gave a speech that began to include the understanding that feminism is not a woman's movement. It has been redefined as such by men that are scared. Scared because we are being forced to look at our definition of masculinity reflectively and honestly. We are battling the exact stereotypes that define the term as we attempt to revisit its definition. We need to have open conversation about it, we need to share how the definition affects us, but we are constantly reinforced with ideals that say "men" don't do that. Try reading a wonderful essay titled A Time for Men to Pull Together, it speaks to the lack of leadership in the redefinition of masculinity and the consequences of this on our children.

The feminist movement in my mind is not about women or men as genders, it is about humanity. It is about giving the qualities we stereotype as "feminine" equal ground as those we stereotype as "masculine." Men need to embrace and find balance with their "feminine" aspects of themselves as much as women began to wrestle with defining themselves by "masculine" qualities as people fought for gender equality. In my opinion we need to work towards redefining these stereotypical aspects as human qualities unrelated to gender, otherwise we will continually see it as "battle of the sexes" and our children will be constantly caught in the cross fire as they search to find identities for themselves. It won't be easy, or fast but the change is happening and it is not limited to generational change. We simply need to find the willingness to engage in the discussion, and we need leaders to make it a priority.

That is my two cents, and I am more than happy to hear responses but I won't bother with bating comments.

[St. Pats]

Originally Posted by Caged Great

Because A facilitates B, with A being the pictures resulting in B stupid commentaries. In addition to that, quite a lot of the pictures are also degrading to women on some level because a good portion of them are being shown simply as being only sex objects and that too is not good.

If you want to ogle pictures of women, go to google or some other site. There's no reason why a hockey site needs that.

And a hockey site does not need threads bashing this or that or in fact anything on the off-topic forum so thanks for that weak weak argument.

Those who brought up the issue have no problem with the pictures. Only those who stir the pot. There are rubbish threads galore. Offensive ones as well(funnily enough some of those defending this decision when asked about their own favorite threads say "hey you ain't closing that down / I can call those "whoever" whatever I want / don't come into the thread if you don't like it). Yet in this particular thread they are on the high horse. It's laughable.

There is stuff said in a lot of threads that is actually very very offensive. Way more so than a few pics of some babes. Yet this is where the high and mighty crowd stand up? Guaranteed when their pet threads are challenged they will change their tune completely.

[PsYcNeT]

Originally Posted by St. Pats

There is stuff said in a lot of threads that is actually very very offensive. Way more so than a few pics of some babes. Yet this is where the high and mighty crowd stand up? Guaranteed when their pet threads are challenged they will change their tune completely.

Yeah it's funny how people seem to want to change systematic persecution against a minority, but they will turn a blind eye to someone poking a giant bear.

In before a majority group claims persecution by a minority. Wait...

[St. Pats]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

Yeah it's funny how people seem to want to change systematic persecution against a minority, but they will turn a blind eye to someone poking a giant bear.

In before a majority group claims persecution by a minority. Wait...

Must be weak argument day. So I get it. As long as it's a minority position we can just go off on whoever. We can call the bear whatever / I mean they are a bear / Who the fart cares if it's offensive or not / they deserve it / but the majority picking on the minority / yep that's just uncalled for

Two things this whole thing has pointed out. There are a lot of hypocrites on this site. Two wrongs don't make a right.

If you are going the high and mighty route then you follow through all the way. Otherwise you are just full of it.

[Eastern Girl]

Originally Posted by SeeBass

Would PMking or Hoz been thanked just as much if they had these feelings in regards to some of the posts you read on Godless apostate or US mass shooting or US politics? I read some of the posts and I must commend some of the US posters on here. They are full of generalizations and ignorant comments directed at massive populations. I believe we have lost some American posters on here from such comments. I know I wouldn't feel very included or welcome either if I was on a US site reading constant Canadian bashing.
If some women posters have had negative feelings to some comments and pictures that is more than fair. If CP used those parameters to delete a thread then fine. Action was taken and the reasons defended.
My question is why do we not use the same measurement for the constant attack on the religious and americans?
CP shouldn't be cherry picking issues and ignoring others. If CP and other posters are going to walk the talk then it looks just silly not to include everyone that may be offended.
I of course expect the follow up posts about how sexism is different from anti Americanism or anti religious comments. Yes they are different but if you were at work and said many of the same statements in front of a person of faith or an American and they told HR. Would you think that you were in the right still?
If we have set a bar at why a thread is deleted then that bar should be set for everybodies desire to feel inclusive?

Is this directed at me? You've quoted my post, but I honestly don't know how to respond to it. I'm not all that familiar with the postings of the two posters you have mentioned. I'm not American, nor religious, so I can't speak all that intelligently about any persecution or exclusion they might feel. I don't tend to read religious threads because they don't interest me, so I can't even give an opinion as a third party.

I sincerely hope you are not suggesting that because it happens to one group, we should all just deal with it or c'est la vie. I hope that you've quoted my post to highlight that other groups should be included in this discussion of, well, inclusion.

If it's true and you feel strongly about it, you should discuss it with the mods or start a thread to discuss it. It truly would be hypocritical of me if I suggested that Americans or religious people should just suck it up and deal with it, so I would say that taunting and name calling is occurring, it should stop.

It is a difficult discussion to have, how to be inclusive without ruining our ability to freely express our opinions. We want to make sure everyone can share their opinions, but to do that, a line needs to be drawn and my line might be far away from everyone else's.

[Flash Walken]

The thing I don't get is, there are massive online communities dedicated solely to T&A or 'the female form', that have sub forums for your general 'off topic' and sports discussions.

What on earth is the issue here with just joining one of those places to fill your boots full of images of women posted by other dudes?

This is a city-centric hockey community. Many members see each other socially, have friends or relatives in common and engage with the site on a less anonymous basis. There is even a professional endorsement ring for businesses on here.

What on earth are you fighting for here? The petulance is really off putting and I find myself less inclined to post here because of it.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=none+nude+women

^There you go, guys, wasn't so hard.

[St. Pats]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

The thing I don't get is, there are massive online communities dedicated solely to T&A or 'the female form', that have sub forums for your general 'off topic' and sports discussions.

What on earth is the issue here with just joining one of those places to fill your boots full of images of women posted by other dudes?

This is a city-centric hockey community. Many members see each other socially, have friends or relatives in common and engage with the site on a less anonymous basis. There is even a professional endorsement ring for businesses on here.

What on earth are you fighting for here? The petulance is really off putting and I find myself less inclined to post here because of it.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=none+nude+women

^There you go, guys, wasn't so hard.

Really the cluelessness is amazing. And there are many a spot on the internet for political discussion or bashing religion or for that matter Automotive sites(with winter tire threads). Those links could be put up just as easily. Can you not see how dumb an argument that is? So why don't you hop onto the political threads and ask them to piss off to somewhere else on the web? Cause you don't think they are as offensive?

What are we fighting for? Cause it's complete BS that this particular thread was singled out. Whilst some of those favoring it's removal are firing off offensive posts in other threads at the very same time they condemn this one. But yeah you know what they do isn't really offensive(in their minds).

Hypocritical BS is what it is. Got nothing to do with the pics.

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by Eastern Girl

I think it's sad that it came to this, and frankly, you can keep your thanks. I didn't take it down because you politely requested it. I did it in the interest of keeping the conversation going.

We've opened up a conversation here and I think we can keep it productive and moving forward if we all take a step back and tone down the dramatics. "Keep your thanks" is a bit combative, but I'll overlook it because I can now see you're upset.

I think a question you need to ask is if you want equality, or if you want special treatment for women. This conversation is going in the right direction, and if we're all respectful to the broader change that is evolving by the day here, you'll see that removing a sexualized avatar is part of the solution we ultimately want to keep this an all-inclusive site. Because I am male does that mean I shouldn't care about sexualized images on a site to which I come to talk about current events?

I never went in the YLYL thread, but I can't help stumbling upon soft-core avatars on a regular basis in other threads and since it's topical I asked you and others to remove them. Your reaction to that request has definitely surprised me, though, and that reaction has coloured my impression of how well thought out your arguments are much more than the picture to the left of your text.

Originally Posted by Eastern Girl

I will say that what is odd to me is that you didn't take the time to read through the threads, but you managed to find time to request my avatar to come down. I hope you find the time to also politely make requests for the boob/ass/"No Fat Chicks" avatars to come down.

Well it took me two minutes to reply to your post whereas it would take a couple hours to read through the hundreds of posts on this topic spread out over at least three threads, so I'm not sure how odd it is. I definitely will read all the posts if I have time as I didn't know such an interesting conversation was happening here.

And please go back and read my post to you about taking your avatar down as I'm now going to be saying this for a third time. I did ask everybody to take down their sexualized avatars - they add nothing and I'm surprised in light of the current conversation and progress we're all making here you guys even need to be asked:

Originally Posted by Sliver

I haven't chimed in on this issue at all, but I would like to politely request you change your avatar, Eastern Girl, as well as anybody else with a sexualized avatar.

Originally Posted by Eastern Girl

I was optimistic when the mods took the thread down. I saw it as a positive step, but the negative reaction from some has diminished that optimism for me. I see a lot of anger, both on the board and in 'real life.' That is why I said I weep for my niece. Perhaps that was a poor choice of words, but it upsets me knowing that she will face sexism, and she will.

You really see a future where they might not ever see sexism? I can't see it, nor imagine it. I see targeted anger (look at Emma Watson's situation). I see some of our choices up for debate and that is difficult to bear. A lot of women and men fought to gain these choices and now suits are debating whether we should be able to keep them.

I don't have a crystal ball, but, yes, I am optimistic. Don't you think things are trending more toward equality? Look at how we treat homosexuality as a great example. I graduated high school in 1994. If we didn't like something we called it "gay" or "gaybar". If you hated somebody you'd call them a "fag". Those words are going the way of the dinosaur and I'd say most of the positive momentum on that front has been in the past five years. And myself and my friends would never dream of judging somebody negatively just because they're gay.

There are always going to be people (probably all of us) that pre-judge others based on their race, ethnicity, religion, sexual preference, socio-economic background, accent, and, yes, gender. Our goal is to work toward equality for everyone. So sure, some girls will likely face sexism even a hundred years from now, same as somebody may have a preconceived notion about a person with a Newfie accent; however, I think our society right now is on a progressive path of working toward breaking those barriers down. Gender is one where progress will continue to happen and I am 100% sure my eight-year-old daughter will be less impeded in her journey through life by her gender than every previous generation before her. That's why I'm optimistic and not weeping.

Originally Posted by Eastern Girl

I think it sucks that you chose to determine the validity of my arguments based on my avatar and location.

Well your avatar is representation of you. You chose an avatar of a half-naked guy to represent you in a serious discussion about sexism and gender equality. That was a strange choice on your part; please don't put it on me for bringing it up and asking you politely to take it down. If you didn't agree it was distracting from your argument (I don't see how you could since it was), you could have always left it up.

[kipperiggy]

This thread essentially turned into EG, Daradon, witty and others presenting thoughtful and respectful arguments. These arguments were largely ignored by the other side of the debate, who, for the most part, chose to focus solely on EG's avatar and how it objectifies men therefore her arguments are invalid.

This is (one of) the reasons why we still have sexism, racism, age-ism, any kind of -ism.

Entitled, white males, who feel that because they've experienced "reverse racism" or "reverse sexism" that they know exactly what it's like to deal with it on a daily basis. I'm sorry, but unless you've been looked down on because you've not seen as an equal due to your gender, skin colour, whatever it may be - no, you really don't know what it's like.

I'm not going to debate whether or not the avatar was appropriate. But I'm going to point out that the avatars of scantily clad women, the comments such as "0/10 would not bang", and the general objectification of women on this site (by some) FAR outweighs ONE (or two if you count Peanut's protest avatar) avatar of a dude without a shirt.

I never entered the thread and quite frankly it could still be here and it wouldn't bother me at all. It's the fact that I and other women still have to deal with this kind of crap on a daily basis, only to have men turn around and feel they "know what it's like".

We need everyone on board if we're ever going to make a change.

I feel like a lot of people in this thread could benefit from watching this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-iFl4qhBsE

[Makarov]

Originally Posted by St. Pats

Must be weak argument day. So I get it. As long as it's a minority position we can just go off on whoever. We can call the bear whatever / I mean they are a bear / Who the fart cares if it's offensive or not / they deserve it / but the majority picking on the minority / yep that's just uncalled for

Two things this whole thing has pointed out. There are a lot of hypocrites on this site. Two wrongs don't make a right.

If you are going the high and mighty route then you follow through all the way. Otherwise you are just full of it.

Threads devoted to discussion of topics such as religion or politics have the potential for meaningful discussion of important topics. Therefore, those threads have value to the CP community. A thread about nearly nude women has little or no potential for meaningful discussion of important topics. Therefore, I suspect that the cost/benefit analysis conducted by the moderators is fundamentally different. Therefore, I don't see any hypocrisy.

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by kipperiggy

This thread essentially turned into EG, Daradon, witty and others presenting thoughtful and respectful arguments. These arguments were largely ignored by the other side of the debate, who, for the most part, chose to focus solely on EG's avatar and how it objectifies men therefore her arguments are invalid.

This is (one of) the reasons why we still have sexism, racism, age-ism, any kind of -ism.

Entitled, white males, who feel that because they've experienced "reverse racism" or "reverse sexism" that they know exactly what it's like to deal with it on a daily basis. I'm sorry, but unless you've been looked down on because you've not seen as an equal due to your gender, skin colour, whatever it may be - no, you really don't know what it's like.

I'm not going to debate whether or not the avatar was appropriate. But I'm going to point out that the avatars of scantily clad women, the comments such as "0/10 would not bang", and the general objectification of women on this site (by some) FAR outweighs ONE (or two if you count Peanut's protest avatar) avatar of a dude without a shirt.

I never entered the thread and quite frankly it could still be here and it wouldn't bother me at all. It's the fact that I and other women still have to deal with this kind of crap on a daily basis, only to have men turn around and feel they "know what it's like".

We need everyone on board if we're ever going to make a change.

I feel like a lot of people in this thread could benefit from watching this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-iFl4qhBsE

I agree with the decision by the mods to delete the YLYL thread.

Why is it wrong to prefer PG avatars as well? I don't think objecting to bulging crotch shots on avatars (Peanut's) means you can't also support deleting the YLYL thread.

I don't get why some posters can't reconcile the issues as two branches on the same tree.

[St. Pats]

Originally Posted by Makarov

Threads devoted to discussion of topics such as religion or politics have the potential for meaningful discussion of important topics. Therefore, those threads have value to the CP community. A thread about nearly nude women has little or no potential for meaningful discussion of important topics. Therefore, I suspect that the cost/benefit analysis conducted by the moderators is fundamentally different. Therefore, I don't see any hypocrisy.

Obviously you haven't read some of those threads. Discussion? How about a pile on and total disrespect for someone who lives in a different country, has any religious views whatsover etc. They aren't discussions in any sense whatsoever. They are threads for bashing plain and simple. They are quite obviously going to offend. Their participants have already stated in this thread if you don't like their offensive comments you can piss off and stay out of their thread.

It's a message board. Every thread isn't about meaningful discussion. Some are total fluff. Some are entertainment. Some could be about important topics IF they were actually allowed to be so.

Completely hypocritical to say this is off limits but yeah I'm good with dissing those freaking long nose, pond sucking Kikes.

[FireFly]

Originally Posted by St. Pats

Really the cluelessness is amazing. And there are many a spot on the internet for political discussion or bashing religion or for that matter Automotive sites(with winter tire threads). Those links could be put up just as easily. Can you not see how dumb an argument that is? So why don't you hop onto the political threads and ask them to piss off to somewhere else on the web? Cause you don't think they are as offensive?

What are we fighting for? Cause it's complete BS that this particular thread was singled out. Whilst some of those favoring it's removal are firing off offensive posts in other threads at the very same time they condemn this one. But yeah you know what they do isn't really offensive(in their minds).

Hypocritical BS is what it is. Got nothing to do with the pics.

Political and religious leanings are a choice and a fluid one at that. Conversation and discussion can change opinion on political and religious leanings. How many people were 'born Catholic' and are no longer Catholic? How many were born into conservative households and became liberal?

How many were born female and through conversation, just became male?

Yes, it's possible to change your gender, I understand that. It's also rare and complicated. It is not rare or complicated to put thought into your own personal beliefs surrounding religion or politics.

Do the conversations become personal and offensive? Absolutely they can. Should that be stopped? Absolutely. Political and religious discussion however is not inherently offensive unless those partaking in the conversation make it so. It has the ability to open a person's mind to other possibilities if done in a respectful manner.

A thread dedicated to the discussion of women as if they were cars or food is inherently disrespectful and if you can't understand that, you need to look more carefully.

"I'll have one of those, two of those, that shouldn't even be in the showroom and that one needs an engine upgrade and a paint job."

[FireFly]

Originally Posted by St. Pats

Obviously you haven't read some of those threads. Discussion? How about a pile on and total disrespect for someone who lives in a different country, has any religious views whatsover etc. They aren't discussions in any sense whatsoever. They are threads for bashing plain and simple. They are quite obviously going to offend. Their participants have already stated in this thread if you don't like their offensive comments you can piss off and stay out of their thread.

It's a message board. Every thread isn't about meaningful discussion. Some are total fluff. Some are entertainment. Some could be about important topics IF they were actually allowed to be so.

Completely hypocritical to say this is off limits but yeah I'm good with dissing those freaking long nose, pond sucking Kikes.

I don't believe anyone has said it's okay to launch personal attacks on people for their religion. If they are doing so, why don't you report the posts instead of using this thread to bring it up?