You'd have to imagine this arena will incorporate some sort of in house betting on the game and others too. There's a potentially large source of income for the owners as well. You already have the people in your building, more than likely drinking, and gambling between periods. All of which I would think counts as concession sales no matter what casino comp'd said tickets.
You'd have to imagine this arena will incorporate some sort of in house betting on the game and others too. There's a potentially large source of income for the owners as well. You already have the people in your building, more than likely drinking, and gambling between periods. All of which I would think counts as concession sales no matter what casino comp'd said tickets.
Actually Daly said the NHL will ask the Nevada legislature to ban betting on the new franchise's games like they did for UNLV.
The NHL doesn't want a race track feel at the games were people are only watching the game because they are gambling on it.
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This has disaster written all over it from a demographics point of view.
Las Vegas is:
-a very small city by American standards
-uneducated, not very white (important predictors of american fans) 47% white, 42% black and hispanic
-poor
-the biggest employer is the service industry with terrible hours
The NHL is really hoping for double zeros on this gamble.
bigger than at least 10 existing US markets I believe.
I've noticed that a lot of the new arena's being built, Pittsburgh/Arizona/Edmonton (asked for casino license originally) all want casino's involved. In fact Pitt didn't get a new rink until the casino was approved. Maybe the cities, owners/teams and league realize that getting the casino's involved is easy money because even if there are only 8-9000 fans showing up the casino's are happy to have the opportunity to drag some of those paying customers to the casino floor and take their money, then the city and state get the tax money from the casino to help fund the arena's.
The only groups interested in buying the Coyotes were hoping to get something for nothing because they knew staying in Phoenix had gotten personal for Bettman. Eventually yeah, someone stepped up with some strange financing but it hasn't taken long for them to try and get out.
The fact that you have a personal issue with Bettman does not mean that Bettman had a personal issue with Balsillie, or anyone else. But we've gone over your inane ramblings on this point numerous times, so no sense beating a dead horse yet again.
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As for Balsillie, all Bettman had to do was okay the move, other leagues didn't take it to court, but he chose to fight even though it made no business sense. Like most sports ownership it comes down to stroking egos and the Coyotes are all about Bettman's ego.
Bettman doesn't OK moves, even if you want to continue to delude yourself into thinking he operates as a dictator with 30 of the richest groups on the continent kowtowing to his every demand. To suggest otherwise is simply you stroking your own ego.
And all the NHL had to do was okay the move? So, basically allow a manipulate a Chapter 11 claim into force a team into the home territory of two teams, against their will? No, there is no chance in hell that anybody on the NHL side was going to stand for that. And you bloody well know it.
So please, if you are going to continue with your typical garbage, take it back to the Phoenix thread and let the grown ups here talk Las Vegas and wider league issues.
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Did he mention anything about say VLTs or blackjack tables available in between periods?
Nope, but I imagine that would be fine as other NHL arenas have Casino licences.
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Interesting.... are they ok with the idea that tickets come from gambling though? (i.e. "comps")
yup. not sure why they wouldn't be. If a person comes to a game because they were comped a ticket, that means they are there to see the game, not gamble.
I would debate that point. There is more talent available to the NHL now than there was in the 1980s. There has been a big influx of European players, and there are now more minor hockey players in the USA than Canada.
yep, everyone always uses that argument thats its diluted
guys on 4th lines now would be top 6 players in the 80s with ease
theres never been more skilled players, and the growth in kids playing which bring in streams of players is only going to expand
I wonder if it would make more sense to bring in a NBA and NHL team at the same time. Sharing the same arena would cut costs + it gives a bit more incentive for people to travel based on a sports trip. While most of us on CP would plan a trip around the flames, you have to think that other fan bases could care less. By bringing in a NBA team, you essentially open yourself to any NBA fan who would plan a trip around their favorite team.
And while I am not a huge NBA fan myself, I would go down for the flames and if possible, catch a nba game and I assume it would be vice versa for someone going to watch a nba game.
Also, I know nothing of the arena being built but one would assume it is very suite heavy. Similar to Atlanta I believe it was? I think it would be easy to sell out suite season tickets to clubs and hotels for their high rollers.
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I wonder if it would make more sense to bring in a NBA and NHL team at the same time. Sharing the same arena would cut costs + it gives a bit more incentive for people to travel based on a sports trip. While most of us on CP would plan a trip around the flames, you have to think that other fan bases could care less. By bringing in a NBA team, you essentially open yourself to any NBA fan who would plan a trip around their favorite team.
And while I am not a huge NBA fan myself, I would go down for the flames and if possible, catch a nba game and I assume it would be vice versa for someone going to watch a nba game.
Also, I know nothing of the arena being built but one would assume it is very suite heavy. Similar to Atlanta I believe it was? I think it would be easy to sell out suite season tickets to clubs and hotels for their high rollers.
I think it would be a very bad idea for the NBA and NHL to go in at the same time. Especially for the NHL.
The best scenario for the NHL to build a local fan base is if they are the only pro sports option in town.
Also unclear how sharing an arena would cut costs.
Put a bunch of twenty somethings with millions of dollars into the middle of the desert where all there is to do is party and gamble and blow a paycheque in a night, what could possibly go wrong? Oh right, everything. Everyone is talking about the fans, what about the players? I forsee a lot of bad news stories and black marks on the NHL coming of this
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