[News] Cammalleri has NOT been traded. Upd: Cammalleri likely heading to free agency

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Is he really?

Honest question, because I don't think so.

I think he gets about 4 on the open market.

I think he'll get between $5 and $5.5m (unless it's longer term), but we shall see.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

The price is important because if you are planning on dangling him at the deadline again this coming season, he has to be priced competitively in order to garner return, otherwise you're in the same boat the Flames found themselves in this season, where more attractive guys went for more substantial returns to a team like Ottawa, who have concerns about 'real dollars'.

Cammalleri at 1.75 million with 50% retained is a hell of a lot more enticing than Cammalleri at 3 million with 50% retained. It's also more enticing to Flames ownership.

I'd prefer to meet the cap floor by overpaying for a couple of players or taking them on as salary dumps than overpaying by nearly double for one guy who isn't very good.

While true, I think the sticking point that made him untradeable was the fact that he'd have been a rental. Thats why the term is key. Get him locked to a minimum of 2 years and you get assets at the deadline. If hes paid $6M then we retain 50% and the team picking him up gets a signed player.

The two scenarios are in totally different worlds in terms of return on assets.

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Obviously. But at $3.5m (in order to be at $1.75m) he doesn't sign here. So you've got nothing.

He is worth more than $3.5m as a UFA.

Precisely.

[Enoch Root]

This year, everyone was tight to the (artificially low) cap as well - hopefully it normalizes next year

[Hack&Lube]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

The price is important because if you are planning on dangling him at the deadline again this coming season, he has to be priced competitively in order to garner return, otherwise you're in the same boat the Flames found themselves in this season, where more attractive guys went for more substantial returns to a team like Ottawa, who have concerns about 'real dollars'.

Cammalleri at 1.75 million with 50% retained is a hell of a lot more enticing than Cammalleri at 3 million with 50% retained. It's also more enticing to Flames ownership.

I'd prefer to meet the cap floor by overpaying for a couple of players or taking them on as salary dumps than overpaying by nearly double for one guy who isn't very good.

Is there a limit to the amount of retained salary on a traded player?

[theoforever]

I think it is 50%.

[The Fonz]

I can't see Cammalleri getting 5m+ on the open market.

I bet he falls in the 4-4.5 range.

[Sylvanfan]

For Cammalleri the dollar figure will honestly be less of a factor than the term of the contract. On a 1-2 year deal, teams can absorb a 6-7 million cap hit if they need. Start signing a guy his age for 3-5 years and you need to look at the cap number a lot harder.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Locke

While true, I think the sticking point that made him untradeable was the fact that he'd have been a rental.

I don't agree with this. The reason no one was offering more than a third was because he wasn't an attractive player at the deadline.

Hemsky went for a 3rd +5th, partially because it meant less salary obligation to the Senators. More importantly though, Hemsky is a better player than Cammalleri. Still one dimensional, but provides more than Cammalleri does at a lesser price.

If you pay cammalleri 5 million a year for 2 years and expect to deal him at the deadline on his first year, you will be in tough finding a trade partner because that cap and salary are just outrageous for a player of his type and ability. On this Flames team, he's also not going to be able to shine up a turd, as he doesn't really have anyone to play with.

Maybe you give him a bigger money one year deal and hope a team bites at the rental potential, but in my opinion, term stunts his value especially if he has another lacklustre season next year.

[T@T]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Hemsky is a better player than Cammalleri.

On what planet?

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

I don't agree with this. The reason no one was offering more than a third was because he wasn't an attractive player at the deadline.

Hemsky went for a 3rd +5th, partially because it meant less salary obligation to the Senators. More importantly though, Hemsky is a better player than Cammalleri. Still one dimensional, but provides more than Cammalleri does at a lesser price.

If you pay cammalleri 5 million a year for 2 years and expect to deal him at the deadline on his first year, you will be in tough finding a trade partner because that cap and salary are just outrageous for a player of his type and ability. On this Flames team, he's also not going to be able to shine up a turd, as he doesn't really have anyone to play with.

Maybe you give him a bigger money one year deal and hope a team bites at the rental potential, but in my opinion, term stunts his value especially if he has another lacklustre season next year.

You gave some legit reasons about Cammy, but I lost you after that remark.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

I don't agree with this. The reason no one was offering more than a third was because he wasn't an attractive player at the deadline.

Hemsky went for a 3rd +5th, partially because it meant less salary obligation to the Senators. More importantly though, Hemsky is a better player than Cammalleri. Still one dimensional, but provides more than Cammalleri does at a lesser price.

If you pay cammalleri 5 million a year for 2 years and expect to deal him at the deadline on his first year, you will be in tough finding a trade partner because that cap and salary are just outrageous for a player of his type and ability. On this Flames team, he's also not going to be able to shine up a turd, as he doesn't really have anyone to play with.

Maybe you give him a bigger money one year deal and hope a team bites at the rental potential, but in my opinion, term stunts his value especially if he has another lacklustre season next year.

This is all nonsense. The Sens are still paying him $2.5M and hes a rental. They're not going to make the playoffs and they lost two draft picks, so how is picking up Hemsky a balling bit of business?

Not to mention the fact that I'm sure they could have taken a 3rd +5th for Cammy, but thats a ridiculous low-ball. Its so close to nothing as makes no difference.

[Buck Murdock]

If you're Cammy, this is your last chance at a big contract, so to remain with a rebuilding team and forgo free agency, you're going to need $$ and term. Maybe not 7 years, but certainly not 2 unless the money is huge.I think 6million AAV is the territory that would get it done, and a minimum of 3 years. the lowball 3.5-4 million talk is crazy.

[dino7c]

Cammalleri on a bad year with major injuries is approaching Hemsky's career high in goals

put the pipe down

[heep223]

Lowball or not we should have pulled the trigger, because he will walk at the end of this season. He wants to win a cup. A 3rd rounder is better than 0, no matter how you look at it. Love the guy and would have hated the return but again 3>0.

[Buck Murdock]

Problem with letting him walk is that we'll just have to overpay on other free agents to reach the cap floor. Better to sign the guy who you know fits in your locker room and can score 25-30 goals that an unknown.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

With Burke wanting the team to get bigger I wonder how he will handle some of the small forwards this team has now and pushing for spots next year. Gaudreau and Sven will likely be vying for a spot with the Flames. Then we have Byron who looks like someone worth keeping around.

If Cammy does sign what happens with Hudler, Sven, Johnny, and Byron?

Cammy won't sign. And we will likely have to trade one of Sven, Hudler or Gaudreau in the next 2-3 years.

[Phanuthier]

3 years is a long time..... look at our team from 3 years ago..... a lot could happen, in 3 years Hudler could be coaching the Boston Bruins, Sven could be a bouncer at a club and Gaudreau could be playing goal for Toronto's farm team.

[heep223]

Originally Posted by Buck Murdock

Problem with letting him walk is that we'll just have to overpay on other free agents to reach the cap floor. Better to sign the guy who you know fits in your locker room and can score 25-30 goals that an unknown.

This is a good point and very true. However as a few others have mentioned, he's not going to sign. So should have gotten whatever possible for him.

[Buck Murdock]

Scott Oak asked Cammy about resigning and the way he answered made it seem like he'd be gone July 1st. Maybe I'm wrong but I think he'd be a good guy to bring back. Hopefully Burke gets it done.

[dying4acup]

I'm betting the kings are having regrets right now (Gaborik). And I bet Darryl is saying "I told u so!"