New iPhone/iPhone5/iPhone 2012 Thread

[HELPNEEDED]

Originally Posted by polak

Weird. They should probably look at the millions of other tablets out there that are significantly cheaper then the IPad.

Crazy thought... You know, not buying an Apple product.



I was staying out until the specs came out and then I saw people saying that apple had market dominance and I just couldn't resist.

Sorry, I forgot that this thread was ment for all Apple fanboys to praise each others great taste and pat each other on the back.

I'll leave

Sorry, please stay.

Fact: Android may have more market share, but Apple has the highest market share as a phone producer. Remember, Android does not produce phones, it is only a piece of open source software.

The one by regulator about buying all iproducts

I have since day one of Iphones release had an iphone, but was never willing to try another mac product since like you i was like damn mac its just for fan boys. But then something happened last year, I bought a asus transformer tablet and by george was that a heap of garbage, I mean swiping from page to page was choppy, the UI was not intuitive... just not what you expect from a large company like asus. So i gave into the hype, however hard i tried to keep my apple hate on, and bought an ipad. My life changed, the thing was usable out of the box, and to date has required zero maintance besides s/w updates.

Since then I have switched to imac computing all the way, you won't believe how superior it is.

[MickMcGeough]

Originally Posted by polak

The fact that there are IPad owners out there who want an IPad mini should tell you that Apple fanboys are mindless cult followers.

Or, they like their iPad but wish it was smaller.

Originally Posted by polak

If you were a nerd than you wouldn't be getting an IPhone... Do you happen to own a fixed gear bike as well?

No, but I do own a Lumia 900, BlackBerry Playbook, BlackBerry Bold 9700, Galaxy Nexus, Galaxy Nexus 7, Nokia E71, and (wait for it) the HTC Dream / T-Mobile G1.

But you're right, I'm probably not really a nerd.

[burn_this_city]

Originally Posted by MickMcGeough

Or, they like their iPad but wish it was smaller.

No, but I do own a Lumia 900, BlackBerry Playbook, BlackBerry Bold 9700, Galaxy Nexus, Galaxy Nexus 7, Nokia E71, and (wait for it) the HTC Dream / T-Mobile G1.

But you're right, I'm probably not really a nerd.

I'd say you're a hoarder.

[HELPNEEDED]

Originally Posted by MickMcGeough

Or, they like their iPad but wish it was smaller.

No, but I do own a Lumia 900, BlackBerry Playbook, BlackBerry Bold 9700, Galaxy Nexus, Galaxy Nexus 7, Nokia E71, and (wait for it) the HTC Dream / T-Mobile G1.

But you're right, I'm probably not really a nerd.

They have a thread for your kind, its the S3 thread.

I'm kidding. I just dropped by the S3 thread, we should talk about how many iphones are going to sell, like they talk about how many S3s are giogn tosell.

[oilyfan]

Originally Posted by MickMcGeough

Or, they like their iPad but wish it was smaller.

No, but I do own a Lumia 900, BlackBerry Playbook, BlackBerry Bold 9700, Galaxy Nexus, Galaxy Nexus 7, Nokia E71, and (wait for it) the HTC Dream / T-Mobile G1.

But you're right, I'm probably not really a nerd.

You just got all the android gang sexually aroused

[edslunch]

I'm curious if there is a gender split between S3 and iPhone. I have a small sample size but all the women have iPhones, men are closer to 50/50 (still more iPhones). Do the size, usability, style, flexibility, geek potential aspects of one vs. the other resonate more with one sex than the other (obviously generalizing here)?

[chemgear]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

Apple once again showing what an "innovative" company they are...indeed they aren't. In fact Apple isn't going to be getting much more innovative anytime soon. Their R&D spending levels aren't even amongst the top-50 companies in the world, and where they once spent 7.5% of revenues on R&D between 2001 and 2003, they now spend less than 2.5% of that on R&D. But why spend the money to innovate when people will buy your products even if one generation to the next is only a 5-10% difference in feautures?

Ummm . . . hasn't their revenue increased multiple times since 2001/2003?

Roughly speaking, your 7.5% is on $5 billion vs. 2.5% of $110+ billion.

[bomber317]

Originally Posted by chemgear

Ummm . . . hasn't their revenue increased multiple times since 2001/2003?

Roughly speaking, your 7.5% is on $5 billion vs. 2.5% of $110+ billion.

Stop using real numbers!

[MickMcGeough]

Originally Posted by burn_this_city

I'd say you're a hoarder.

Probably also true, but in my defence, it's my incomplete mobile testing suite.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Originally Posted by chemgear

Ummm . . . hasn't their revenue increased multiple times since 2001/2003?

Roughly speaking, your 7.5% is on $5 billion vs. 2.5% of $110+ billion.

Its irrelevent how much as a dollar figure they spend. As their revenues rise, everything else rises as a dollar amount but likely remains consistent as a % of revenue (expenses relating to selling, COGS, amortization etc), but R&D as a % of revenue declining shows they are not as commited to developping newer technologies, moreso it suggests they are more interested in refining their current technologies (and nothing wrong with that, but it isn't innovation).

And just to give the roundabout for the Google fans, Google spends around 13% of their revenues on R&D.

So which one is it? Apple is not innovative, as Android users remind everyone constantly, or Apple is innovative but just not anymore?

Obviously its the latter. I don't think anyone can say Apple hasn't been an innovative company in the past, but to trot out the line about them being innovating now is simply unfounded. Of late, they've chosen upgrading existing technologies over expanding into new ones. Again, nothing wrong with that, but that simply isn't innovation.

[Tinordi]

Not an overly inspiring phone but am incremental continuation that had made them a market leader.

With that said the barbarians are at the gate and I certainly would divest from Apple and realize my gains.

Why?

They can't match google's integrated innovation over the next 10 years.

We're already starting to see significant differentiation between Google suite products on Android and iPhone. Googles software options are far far better than Apple at this point and more developer firmly on the content side. As Android increasingly consumes market share Google will feel less pressure to offer those services on iPhone.

And that's the rub, navigation, goggles, project glass, automated vehicles, continued maps development, and whatever else Google is working on will integrate much better on the Android platform.

I don't think that Apple realizes that the next wave of mobile computing is in software not hardware. Having a foot in both pools is a disadvantage to Apple where Google can focus exclusively on software and bringing the content that mobile users want to their devices.

[MickMcGeough]

Originally Posted by edslunch

I'm curious if there is a gender split between S3 and iPhone. I have a small sample size but all the women have iPhones, men are closer to 50/50 (still more iPhones). Do the size, usability, style, flexibility, geek potential aspects of one vs. the other resonate more with one sex than the other (obviously generalizing here)?

This one's a year old but probably still reasonably close:

[oilyfan]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

Apple once again showing what an "innovative" company they are...indeed they aren't. In fact Apple isn't going to be getting much more innovative anytime soon. Their R&D spending levels aren't even amongst the top-50 companies in the world, and where they once spent 7.5% of revenues on R&D between 2001 and 2003, they now spend less than 2.5% of that on R&D. But why spend the money to innovate when people will buy your products even if one generation to the next is only a 5-10% difference in feautures?

The coorelation between R&D spend and success is unclear at best. Nokia outspent Apple on R&D by a large amount, what is the result? The Lumia is not going to be its saviour. R&D spend is essentially and accounting number to manage taxes, the heavy spenders are usually the hardware guys because they have significant capital investment to make. Apple is piggybacking on the hardware guys, why should Apple spend the billions when Samsung is doing it for them?

http://www.strategy-business.com/med...sb41_05406.pdf

[chemgear]

Originally Posted by polak

Woah some of you are out of touch if you think Apple dominates the phone market... Android has had the majority of the smartphone market for over a year now and their share is only growing while Apple is losing some of it's share to Windows/Nokia.

Android currently at 68.1% market share:

Apple is down to 16.9%

Originally Posted by HELPNEEDED

Fact: Android may have more market share, but Apple has the highest market share as a phone producer. Remember, Android does not produce phones, it is only a piece of open source software.

I still find it funny when people look at those numbers like that. Android isn't a single company/unified product line - they have dozens of different companies all doing their own thing. It's like comparing the population size of North America to the number of people in the rest of the world and saying - "Holy poop, North America is DOOMED(tm) or clearly not a good place to live in."

Even more importantly, the market share that Apple has accounts for nearly 75% of ALL the profit in that market place.



Between Samsung and Apple, they hold 99% of ALL the profit there. Roughly 60% of the market is non Samsung and Apple (ie mostly other Android makers) and they don't make ANY money - or are bleeding it through their eyeballs in losses. Who wants a business that has to lose money to hold any kind of market share. Clearly such businesses aren't sustainable and are in serious trouble.

17% market share and making 75% of the all profit? Ummm sure, I'd take that in any market.

[MickMcGeough]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

I don't think anyone can say Apple hasn't been an innovative company in the past...

I can. Apple has "invented" very little (if anything), ever. They take an existing concept or a piece of technology and make it appealing to the masses. They've done this from mice to all-in-ones to smartphones to tablets to ultrabooks. They didn't invent any of this, but they did make the first one most people ever considered buying.

[Tinordi]

Impressive chemgear but I'm sure the exact same thing could have been written about RIM teen years ago.

The forward outlook is what matters.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Originally Posted by oilyfan

The coorelation between R&D spend and success is unclear at best. Nokia outspent Apple on R&D by a large amount, what is the result? The Lumia is not going to be its saviour. R&D spend is essentially and accounting number to manage taxes, the heavy spenders are usually the hardware guys because they have significant capital investment to make. Apple is piggybacking on the hardware guys, why should Apple spend the billions when Samsung is doing it for them?

http://www.strategy-business.com/med...sb41_05406.pdf

I'm not sure I said success had anything to do with the perception of Apple being "innovative". In fact I don't even think I mentioned success period. My thoughts were simply about Apple being innovative. But if you're saying R&D can't be correlated to innovation, I simply have nothing to add to that.

[sclitheroe]

Originally Posted by Hemi-Cuda

um, Porche? Apple has always marketed their products as top-of-the-line, why do you think they have such a premium price markup on everything they sell? if Apple wanted to be like Toyota, they would release cheaper budget phones to capture more of the market. instead they've simply let their flagship product stagnate to the point where it's merely average now

Except that Apple has always striven to be the every-person's computer. They very definitely position their machines as something that anybody can use, from kids, to grandma, to artists and creative types, to "normal" people to do useful things, rather than the hard-core gearhead that a Porsche style marketing campaign would target, with an emphasis on raw performance and power.

[oilyfan]

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-0...dget-tech.html

“This is going to be the best-selling consumer electronics device of all time, bar none,” said Carl Howe, an analyst at Boston-based Yankee Group, who predicted that Apple will sell more than 10 million by month’s end, surpassing the record set last year by the predecessor device, the iPhone 4S.

Apple gained 1.3 percent to $678.49 at 10:05 a.m. in New York. Through yesterday, the stock had increased 65 percent this year.

[bomber317]

Originally Posted by Tinordi

Not an overly inspiring phone but am incremental continuation that had made them a market leader.

With that said the barbarians are at the gate and I certainly would divest from Apple and realize my gains.

You've been negative on AAPL for awhile,

http://forum.calgarypuck.com/showpos...postcount=1715

Essentially the same argument from you back then.

AAPL closing price on Jan 20th, the date of that post. $420.30

While you make some valid points on Apple "innovating", my opinion is the stock still has room to grow. I doubt Apple will be able to release anything ground breaking without Jobs, they will still be able to make a lot of money in the near future on their current product line.

How long will that last? I'm not sure, and perhaps a comment of "Sell AAPL, buy GOOG" is better than just "sell AAPL, realize your gains".