FFS...the MB THEMSELVES have said repeatedly over the last few days that they will not acknowledge Israel as a soverign state and that they consider them nothing but occupiers of Palestinian land.
THEIR words...no one elses. Not sure why you refuse to acknowledge that this group has really bad intentions for Israel. They do, and they don't hide it....in fact it's a reason why they are so anti-Mubarek. They are pissed that he has held peace with them for the last 30 years.
Links? I havent heard anything on CNN and AL Jazeera about this. I find that conflicting with statements made by their chief negotiator with the regime, ElBaradei, who was on the record yesterday saying the Arabs and Jews know they have to live together, and that the only thing to change would be the pressure on Israel to improve the Palenstinian situation.
haha ... is that all you got? whats your next cliche?
so the Iran government isnt of the opinion that no israel is a good israel? Iran government provides a free and open channel of communication for their citizens to speak their mind, learn about issues and form their own opinions?
i dont need CNN to tell me to not support this kind of regime. anyhow, i cant imagine you have any idea what you are talking about to truly believe what you are saying.
haha ... is that all you got? whats your next cliche?
so the Iran government isnt of the opinion that no israel is a good israel? Iran government provides a free and open channel of communication for their citizens to speak their mind, learn about issues and form their own opinions?
i dont need CNN to tell me to not support this kind of regime. anyhow, i cant imagine you have any idea what you are talking about to truly believe what you are saying.
Talk is talk.
North Korea has been threatening the South, and other nations for years. So why doesn't America go and destroy that repressive regime? Or maybe China?
Maybe because there isn't the same level of geo-political interest in that region?
North Korea has been threatening the South, and other nations for years. So why doesn't America go and destroy that repressive regime? Or maybe China? Maybe because there isn't the same level of geo-political interest in that region?
and, so?
Iran has no good intentions, but you support them just to be anti american?
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Links? I havent heard anything on CNN and AL Jazeera about this. I find that conflicting with statements made by their chief negotiator with the regime, ElBaradei, who was on the record yesterday saying the Arabs and Jews know they have to live together, and that the only thing to change would be the pressure on Israel to improve the Palenstinian situation.
This was live on CNN 2 nights ago. The transcript of the whole interview is the second half of this link. The guy was really quite cordial, fair and answered everything he was asked and with all the correct pluralistic answers one could hope for.....until the subject of Israel was raised.
Then after this interview, they switched to a mid-east affairs expert who was asked to give his take on what was said.
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SPITZER: So if your -- if the Muslim Brotherhood had a significant position in the parliament or your candidate for president were elected would you observe and continue to uphold the peace treaty with Israel?
MORSY: Yes, let's talk about this in some details. If you want to talk about the peace treaty with Israel, this has to do with the parliament. The parliament comes from the people. Then the opinion of the parliament must be respected.
Now, if you talk about the last 30 years in this treaty the Israeli hasn't respected the treaty. In the beginning of the treaty, in the introduction, it talks about comprehensive -- peace, where is comprehensive peace?
SPITZER: Well, let me ask the very simple first question. If you're -- the Muslim Brotherhood had a major role in the government or if your candidate were the president would you continue to recognize the existence of the state of Israel?
MORSY: Well, the state of Israel is already registered in the United States. We are talking about the Palestinian state now. Do you recognize a Palestinian state or not?
SPITZER: Well, I'm asking you --
MORSY: The Israeli -- does the Israelis recognize a Palestinian state or not? What can we do about a state that's registered in the United States now?
SPITZER: Mr. Morsy, I understand what you're saying, but I'm asking you again a simple question which I think can be answered yes or no. I'm not trying to be tough on you but would you recognize the state of Israel if your candidate for president were elected tomorrow? Would you recognize the state of Israel?
MORSY: Sir, sir, sir, this is a heavy question. You want to talk about the future, and you do not look into the past and the present. This is a heavy question. It's out of faith. It's ridiculous to ask about the future.
Why you don't have even your freedom in your country and you are close by, the foreign policies of the United States against the Palestinians and others. The blood is shed from the Palestinians for more than 60 years. Let us stop the bloodshed of the Palestinians and then talk about such matters in the future.
We are not against people. We are not against mankind. We are not against the Jews. We are against Zionism. We are against torturing the Palestinians.
A political leader of Egypt’s Muslim Brotherhood Thursday called on any government that replaces Hosni Mubarak’s regime to withdraw from the 32-year-old peace treaty with Israel.
“After President Mubarak steps down and a provisional government is formed, there is a need to dissolve the peace treaty with Israel,” Rashad al-Bayoumi, a deputy leader of the outlawed movement, said on Japan’s NHTV.
And lastly this one which is flat out frightening.
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Sheikh Yusuf al-Qaradawi an influential Muslim cleric in Qatar, has increasingly been lashing out at Jews and Israel, including calling on God to "kill them, down to the very last one."
Qaradawi gave a sermon which aired on the Arabic satellite channel Al-Jazeera TV on January 28, 2009, in which he expressed his desire to “go to the land of Jihad and resistance.” He tells his audience, “I will shoot Allah’s enemies, the Jews, and they will throw a bomb at me, and thus I will seal my life with martyrdom.” Two days later, Qaradawi gave another speech that also aired on Al-Jazeera, where he claimed that Adolf Hitler was sent by Allah to punish the Jews.
In another sermon on January 9, 2009, Qaradawi incited violence against the Jews. "Oh Allah," Qaradawi said, "Take this oppressive, Jewish, Zionist band of people…do not spare a single one of them. Oh Allah, count their numbers, and kill them, down to the very last one." Qaradawi also called on Muslims to boycott Starbucks and other stores that he said support Israel
Granted, this lunatic lives in Qatar, but he is an Egyptian ex-pat and a huge part of the MB.
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Qaradawi, born in Egypt in 1926, graduated from Al Azhar University in Cairo. He was arrested several times by government authorities between 1949 and 1961 because of his activity in the Muslim Brotherhood, an Islamic extremist movement founded in Egypt that has spawned and inspired global terrorist groups, including the Palestinian terrorist group Hamas. Egypt banned the Muslim Brotherhood in 1954 because of its opposition to the Egyptian government. In 1961 Qaradawi moved to Qatar, where he currently resides.
Except when they are oppressing and murdering their own citizens who were peacefully demonstrating after a sham of an "election" I guess.
Other than that...yeah they are just an awesome government.
Don't forget about funding Hamas and Hezbollah and providing those groups and others with weapons and training camps and intelligence.
Lets not forget about the absolutely awesome Jews are evil convention that aberjimaniac held not to long ago.
Oh and the protests that occured against their government after the last election, I hear that the Iranian Government has had to order several hundred thousand feet of extra rope because they don't believe in reusing nooses.
Yep, that government they're just freaking huggy bears of peace and compassion.
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Yeah they are an oppressive regime. The only people they are reppressing are their own people however, and is that any of America's business?
Meddling in the business of other nations is what creates hatred toward America.
Who is meddling in Egypt?...in fact when did the US last meddle in Iran itself?
As for your stance that no one should care because it "doesnt affect me"...that may be perhaps the most short-sighted and narrow-minded solution I have ever heard of....and I dont think you truly believe it, because if you did you wouldnt give a crap about why the towers were attacked nor who was behind it because it was in another country....and you do.
Who is meddling in Egypt?...in fact when did the US last meddle in Iran itself?
As for your stance that no one should care because it "doesnt affect me"...that may be perhaps the most short-sighted and narrow-minded solution I have ever heard of....and I dont think you truly believe it, because if you did you wouldnt give a crap about why the towers were attacked nor who was behind it because it was in another country....and you do.
Of course America is helping to steer events in Egypt. I posted a couple links in previous posts demonstrating that. Why wouldn't they? They spend a few billion dollars there every year for military aid, so they better damn well have a vested interest there.
America meddling in Iran? Google Operation Ajax. The Americans have had interest in Iran (and their oil) for a long time. I wouldn't doubt they played a similar role with Iran's 2009 revolution, much like they are conducting things behind the scenes in Egypt currently.
As for 9/11, I believe the Bush Admin. had inside foreknowledge of the attacks and that they were mostly carried out by American/Israeli intelligence services, with useful idiots playing the role of hijacker. 9/11 has and will affect all North Americans with all the new police state/security measures being put into place, so I wouldn't say it doesn't affect me.
Iran has no good intentions, but you support them just to be anti american?
Where have I claimed to be anti-American?
I love American constitutional ideals, and their passion for freedom. I just hate that those ideals are being ripped to shreds by the scumbag political/corporate elites down there, and Americans are seemingly going along with it.
Of course America is helping to steer events in Egypt. I posted a couple links in previous posts demonstrating that. Why wouldn't they? They spend a few billion dollars there every year for military aid, so they better damn well have a vested interest there.
America meddling in Iran? Google Operation Ajax. The Americans have had interest in Iran (and their oil) for a long time. I wouldn't doubt they played a similar role with Iran's 2009 revolution, much like they are conducting things behind the scenes in Egypt currently.
As for 9/11, I believe the Bush Admin. had inside foreknowledge of the attacks and that they were mostly carried out by American/Israeli intelligence services, with useful idiots playing the role of hijacker. 9/11 has and will affect all North Americans with all the new police state/security measures being put into place, so I wouldn't say it doesn't affect me.
Just what the internet needs, a gun-lovin anti-american skeptic from Lethbridge.
Of course America is helping to steer events in Egypt. I posted a couple links in previous posts demonstrating that. Why wouldn't they? They spend a few billion dollars there every year for military aid, so they better damn well have a vested interest there.
America spends a lot of money in Canada, and the UK, are they meddling in those countries?
The two billion a year was a given because Mubarek decided to adopt a more Israel friendly policy.
You have a very strange slant on things my friend.
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America meddling in Iran? Google Operation Ajax. The Americans have had interest in Iran (and their oil) for a long time. I wouldn't doubt they played a similar role with Iran's 2009 revolution, much like they are conducting things behind the scenes in Egypt currently.
Operation Ajax was in the 1950's in a completely different era, with a completely different CIA. I wonder if you read the news where the CIA admits that it was caught off guard by both the Egyptian revolution and the one in Tunisia. Yet somehow they are orchestrating it. Oh sorry the standard conspiracy slant will be "They're lying"
The biggest problem with the American intelligence community is that its become passive and relies on signal intelligence and intelligence from other countries within that region. They don't have enough feet on the ground. And there aren't sinister CIA agents out there driving over throws of governments anymore, the CIA is not that competent.
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As for 9/11, I believe the Bush Admin. had inside foreknowledge of the attacks and that they were mostly carried out by American/Israeli intelligence services, with useful idiots playing the role of hijacker. 9/11 has and will affect all North Americans with all the new police state/security measures being put into place, so I wouldn't say it doesn't affect me.
Sometimes I worry about you Mikey.
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America spends a lot of money in Canada, and the UK, are they meddling in those countries?
Yeah, it's called globalism.
And as far as the C.I.A. goes, I have noticed you always use the "they are incompetent" excuse, and that is fine but I just don't believe it.
The CIA has been extensively involved in alot of political upheaval in South America, Sout-East Aisa etc. Just because we don't know what they are doing this very day, it always comes out years later when documents become de-classified.
"John Stockwell, former CIA Station Chief in Angola in 1976, working for then Director of the CIA, George Bush. He spent 13 years in the agency. He gives a short history of CIA covert operations. He is a very compelling speaker and the highest level CIA officer to testify to the Congress about his actions. He estimates that over 6 million people have died in CIA covert actions, and this was in the late 1980's."
