2021/2022 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

You don’t need to reduce salary until Eichel comes off LTIR anyway.

Really, though, you do. Because when the day comes that Eichel is cleared to play and you need to cut your payroll by $10 million, every other GM in the league will gladly hold you to ransom.

‘Suuuure, I'll take Monahan off your hands… for free… if you also throw in a 2nd-round pick. After all, you'll lose a 1st and more for violating the cap.’

And what happens if that day comes after the trade deadline? How do you cut payroll then? Put $10 million worth of players on waivers and hope somebody bites?

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Really, though, you do. Because when the day comes that Eichel is cleared to play and you need to cut your payroll by $10 million, every other GM in the league will gladly hold you to ransom.

‘Suuuure, I'll take Monahan off your hands… for free… if you also throw in a 2nd-round pick. After all, you'll lose a 1st and more for violating the cap.’

And what happens if that day comes after the trade deadline? How do you cut payroll then? Put $10 million worth of players on waivers and hope somebody bites?

Fine then we will trade him to your division rival

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Fine then we will trade him to your division rival

Who also wants a fat price to take the excess salary off your hands, since that team will have to turn around and lose a player to make the cap work…

The teams with the cap to spare aren't going to be contenders in any case. Divisional rivalries don't matter when you're in the cellar. Accumulating assets does.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Really, though, you do. Because when the day comes that Eichel is cleared to play and you need to cut your payroll by $10 million, every other GM in the league will gladly hold you to ransom.

‘Suuuure, I'll take Monahan off your hands… for free… if you also throw in a 2nd-round pick. After all, you'll lose a 1st and more for violating the cap.’

And what happens if that day comes after the trade deadline? How do you cut payroll then? Put $10 million worth of players on waivers and hope somebody bites?

Unless he only clears day one of the POs.

Anyway, every team has this issue.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Unless he only clears day one of the POs.

And… you're willing to bet the farm that absolutely everything comes up Milhouse, and have no plan B in case even the slightest thing goes wrong. Good to know.

Anyway, every team has this issue.

Every team is trading for Eichel now? Do they have a clone factory in Buffalo?

Or maybe… every team knows better than to saddle itself with this issue, and that's one reason why Eichel still hasn't been traded.

[sureLoss]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Really, though, you do. Because when the day comes that Eichel is cleared to play and you need to cut your payroll by $10 million, every other GM in the league will gladly hold you to ransom.

‘Suuuure, I'll take Monahan off your hands… for free… if you also throw in a 2nd-round pick. After all, you'll lose a 1st and more for violating the cap.’

And what happens if that day comes after the trade deadline? How do you cut payroll then? Put $10 million worth of players on waivers and hope somebody bites?

Doubtful the scenario happens. The league's central registry won't allow a team to make a roster move/trade/signing/activation if it violates the salary cap/floor.

The most likely scenario is that if a team doesn't have the cap space to activate Eichel off LTIR he stays on LTIR for the rest of the regular season or until they make the cap space to allow it to happen.

May cause some issues with the player and maybe a grievance with the PA with maybe an arbitrator ruling, but that is the precedent right now in the NHL.

[1qqaaz]

For Klingberg that ask is completely reasonable compared to other contracts that have been handed out

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

And… you're willing to bet the farm that absolutely everything comes up Milhouse, and have no plan B in case even the slightest thing goes wrong. Good to know.



Every team is trading for Eichel now? Do they have a clone factory in Buffalo?

Or maybe… every team knows better than to saddle itself with this issue, and that's one reason why Eichel still hasn't been traded.

LMAO, keep trying to poke holes. First of all, no, that’s not “betting the farm with no plan B. The longer this drags the more likely it is as a matter of fact.

And second, no, not every team is trading for Eichel. But every team that has an interest has the same issue. You act like Calgary is the only team foolish enough to want to do it.

[AT77]

Jack we need you

Come to us please our curly haired saviour

[Jiri Hrdina]

Seeing Jack and McDavid going head to head in a game like that WOULD be fun wouldn't it?

[AT77]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Seeing Jack and McDavid going head to head in a game like that WOULD be fun wouldn't it?

Most battle of Alberta games would be Eichel > McDavid due to the amount of motivation Eichel would have going against the guy picked before him and considered more generational than him. Eichel seems like the type of guy who would play better due to a chip on his shoulder, more so than McDavid who doesn’t really have that personality.

[Manhattanboy]

Date to dream.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Date to dream sounds like a wonderful singles site.
/patent pending

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

LMAO, keep trying to poke holes.

I'm simply pointing to the obvious holes that you appear either unwilling or unable to see. I'm really glad you're not my lawyer; you seem entirely unable to perceive the weaknesses in your own case.

First of all, no, that’s not “betting the farm with no plan B. The longer this drags the more likely it is as a matter of fact.

If you are counting on Eichel to be out of the lineup precisely until the start of the playoffs and then come back with no cap consequences, you are in fact betting the farm with no plan B.

And second, no, not every team is trading for Eichel. But every team that has an interest has the same issue. You act like Calgary is the only team foolish enough to want to do it.

I'm acting like NO team is foolish enough to want to do it, but YOU are foolish enough to want the Flames to do it.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

I'm simply pointing to the obvious holes that you appear either unwilling or unable to see. I'm really glad you're not my lawyer; you seem entirely unable to perceive the weaknesses in your own case.



If you are counting on Eichel to be out of the lineup precisely until the start of the playoffs and then come back with no cap consequences, you are in fact betting the farm with no plan B.



I'm acting like NO team is foolish enough to want to do it, but YOU are foolish enough to want the Flames to do it.

Didn't the Lightning do exactly that with Kucherov though? The guy was skating full practice a full two months before the playoffs began yet was out until game 1. The precedent has been set that you can totally get away with it.

[tkflames]

Originally Posted by mile

Happy to hear that Vegas isn't willing to include Krebs.

So if Buffalo can't have any of Krebs, Zegras, McTavish, Drysdale...
Have to think a prospect like Zary would be in that next best tier.

As far as trading close to $10M in cap space goes, some contracts we could move:
Monahan + Valimaki + Gudbranson = $9.875M
Monahan + Zadorov = $10.125M

Monahan + Valimaki + Dube = $10.225M, but would hate moving two forwards in our top 9. Especially since Dube would likely take Backlund's spot as the 3C if Monahan left.
Monahan + Andersson = $10.925M, but no way the Flames move one of their top 3 D.

Don't see Lucic going anywhere. Probably need a 3rd team to take at least one of the contracts above to make it work.

If the rumor posted a couple pages back is true (which actually makes a lot of sense), Monahan + Hanifin works salary wise. I suspect the package will need to be that or Monahan + Andersson as the core pieces.

Valimaki would need an unreal start to become the defenseman in the package or the backfill...

[Poe969]

I'm really nervous about trading for Eichel now. This team isn't good enough but would be better if they could get him just for futures. They can't. They need to make the cap work so roster players have to go, and if you take any good players off of an already average team they'll be a bottom 5 team. The worst part is they'll have to include at least this year's first rounder which will be good.

But they have to do something....or do they?

I'm willing to bet their approach will be to trade prospects and picks for ok players in order to play 4-5 playoff games. Because anything can happen, except this time that anything will be awesome!! Right?

I'm not saying this because of 1 game, I'm saying this because of what's happened since the last game. Nothing major. The team is roughly the same as last year, maybe a bit worse.

[Yoho]

I think Bubbsy nailed it in the game thread. Are we really confident we want to pay Jonny and Matty 8-10 mil a year long term? That’s if they will even sign here?

If the answer is no what does an Eichel do?

I’m starting to lean towards massive rebuild with some amazing talent coming in the next two drafts.Conner Bedard in 2023 is supposed to be generational talent for example.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Yoho

I think Bubbsy nailed it in the game thread. Are we really confident we want to pay Jonny and Matty 8-10 mil a year long term? That’s if they will even sign here?

If the answer is no what does an Eichel do?

I’m starting to lean towards massive rebuild with some amazing talent coming in the next two drafts.Conner Bedard in 2023 is supposed to be generational talent for example.

It is funny when people post about number 1 picks like a team has to do is suck and they get it. Just like the cup only 1 team gets that pick.


If you can get Eichel you need to pay at least one of those guys. I feel a game breaker was the difference last night. Flames didn’t have one

[Yoho]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

It is funny when people post about number 1 picks like a team has to do is suck and they get it. Just like the cup only 1 team gets that pick.


If you can get Eichel you need to pay at least one of those guys. I feel a game breaker was the difference last night. Flames didn’t have one

It’s even funnier when people don’t read. Bedard was used as an example of the top end talent in the next two years. A ten year old knows only one team gets him.