CP Mafia 3 - Super Smash Mafia - GAME OVER - Darkness Win!

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

There is also the possibility that I was specifically blocked and it's just a coincidence that I was investigating Puxlut. Squiggs was an empowerer so it's very possible that the mafia has a block power.

If Puxlut can't be investigated why would the mafia swap her and ECF?

In last game the Godfather showed up town when the cop investigated. I meant the cop checking, not me.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

My Guardians invite was a kill. Rathji received a kill from them as well but missed the deadline to accept and accepted the Eternal's kill after. For what's that's worth.

Double checking this, Rathji actually accepted the Guardians and missed out on Eternals if that matters.

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

Then kill mafia.

It's getting a bit silly..
Puxlut gave Diss a vote but won't vote for him.. feels something weird.
Rathji wrote a novel about everything that is wrong about Diss but won't vote for him... don't know why.
GGG unvotes to hear some more, not sure what else diss can say other than more turtle sex.

It's in your hands.

So what if with this post Girly wasn't trying to get Diss lynched, but she was trying to cast doubt on Puxlut and Rathji for if/when Diss flipped scum?

Once Diss wasn't going to be lynched Aeneas jumped on board and also tried to get Diss lynched.

Originally Posted by Aeneas

There seems to be a real move by a few people against Starseed and Puxlut.

Odd the three people in question: Rathji, Dissentowner, and squiggs have been at each others throats about being mafia. All this since the There is scum in the Guardians message.

I am not saying we shouldn't be wary of the only two people who can communicate with each other, just seems like a concerted effort to me.

Vote: Dissentowner

I unbolded the vote to avoid confusion.

If Diss gets lynched right then, they both vote for him and look good if he flips scum. If someone else gets lynched and flips town and we go back and lynch Diss they also get to play the "I told you so, why would scum lynch scum?" card. Although where my theory falls apart is that Girly did start the vote on Diss.

Originally Posted by GirlySports

You're not making any sense. Eliminating a night and that being scummy has nothing to do with me.

I follow Rathji's logic on you. Going after Rathji who has a town power, and having 2 powers that could be seen as mafia friendly cause it will skew the voting. Also suddenly has a doctor power, from Mazrim? How is that possible?

Vote
dissentowner

[starseed]

Not a lot of time to respond, but to Drury, I meant that the godfather could have an add on to the night kill. In mafia 1, the godfather could turn the night kill into a poison.

Feeling like game over.

Again, pux is the last eternal, so I volunteer to step into the guillotine.

Neither of the 2 mafia that we have lynched accepted an invite?

[Drury18]

Originally Posted by Puxlut

Neither of the 2 mafia that we have lynched accepted an invite?

Squiggs accepted and was a member of the Eternals.

[Drury18]

Originally Posted by Drury18

Squiggs accepted and was a member of the Eternals.

And Squiggs was town. Coffee...seriously need coffee. Or cola. Or direct drip IV of caffiene.

GirlySports and Aeneas rejected their invites.

[Drury18]

Formulate was the Serial Killer and he accepted an Eternals invite.

He's the only person to not flip town and be a member of a group so far.

[Oling_Roachinen]

It's my belief that Puxlut has been sending out at least a couple of the invites which was only amplified with her apparent investigation proof ability.

A couple people have noted the writing sounds like stuff Puxlut would say but I've been suspicious since she got aggressive with me turning down an invite right away:

Originally Posted by Puxlut

That's all you have to say on it? Way to go on the full disclosure! You need to tell us the tone, if it said anything else.... you b!tch about people not telling the truth? Well withholding information is similar. And it's nice of you to ignore it without talking to the rest of the town about it. I thought it was a thing that we had to discuss as a team?

I will not be accepting an invite to prove I'm not mafia. With the extra votes and everything else I see too much of a risk and I don't like that it feels like we're being baited into accepting.

The investigations didn't turn up anything, except that Puxlut dodged another one, and I still don't think it's coincidence that Starseed saved Aeneas on Day 1 with the Bizaro vote or that Girlysports was so defensive of him. Even Aeneas seemed to defend them in that Dissentowner vote.

Vote: Starseed

If I'm wrong, at least there's a possible one last chance tomorrow. If they are mafia and we don't take them out, I don't think we get that chance with their 3 votes.

[Drury18]

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

If Diss gets lynched right then, they both vote for him and look good if he flips scum. If someone else gets lynched and flips town and we go back and lynch Diss they also get to play the "I told you so, why would scum lynch scum?" card. Although where my theory falls apart is that Girly did start the vote on Diss.

I have more info that might help you here.

I looked up on my spreadsheet because when I first made it is when we first did our lists. I left them on there moreso to do stats at the end of the game to see who was closest although I've found they've come in handy more then that.

GirlySports suspected scum list was GGG, hmmhmmcamo and GP_Matt. All confirmed town now. Her town list was ECF, Formulate, Dissentower and Wood. Someone in that town list is possibly a scum put there to hide them. ECF is town, Wood is town, Form is SK...kinda leaves Diss as the only one who we have nothing on.

Granted, when I look at the list, many of us have Diss as town. The people who named him town were Drury18, Wood, GirlySports, Formulate, ECF, Oling. He's got a split between confirmed town saying he's town and confirmed non-town saying he's town. Me and Oling obviously being unconfirmed in that group.

Baxter/Aeneas never gave a list at that time, so I have nothing to go on from him.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by Drury18

I have more info that might help you here.

I looked up on my spreadsheet because when I first made it is when we first did our lists. I left them on there moreso to do stats at the end of the game to see who was closest although I've found they've come in handy more then that.

GirlySports suspected scum list was GGG, hmmhmmcamo and GP_Matt. All confirmed town now. Her town list was ECF, Formulate, Dissentower and Wood. Someone in that town list is possibly a scum put there to hide them. ECF is town, Wood is town, Form is SK...kinda leaves Diss as the only one who we have nothing on.

Granted, when I look at the list, many of us have Diss as town. The people who named him town were Drury18, Wood, GirlySports, Formulate, ECF, Oling. He's got a split between confirmed town saying he's town and confirmed non-town saying he's town. Me and Oling obviously being unconfirmed in that group.

Baxter/Aeneas never gave a list at that time, so I have nothing to go on from him.

I think the opposite is more often the case. A mafia member will put a mafia member in their mafia list so when someone gets outed they can point back to being suspicious.

Both Starseed and Puxlut put Baxter/Aeneas in their list, neither of them went particularly hard after him. In their twilight thread they listed GGG (x2), Devo22, Girlysports, Delgar and stazzy/hockeyguy15 in that. Which is particularly peculiar as Starseed is publicly calling GGG town in his list. Girlysports gives them some credence, but again they never went hard for her.

Delgar was probably not expected to die and who knows what really happened day 1 at this point so really their accusations could have been a lot worse for the town than just the GGG.

I still think Starseed might have asked the most important questions that we need answered at this point.

Originally Posted by starseed

Twilight portal - how do you guys know the messages from the twilight portal were not mafia trying to create confusion? Did it seem genuine? What reasons did they give for their list?

[Drury18]

Fair enough. Just trying to work through the rest of my theories here with the information I have. GGG flipping town really screwed what I had going because I still had that inkling that he wasn't.

My personal "weirdness" with Pux and Starseed is they are really the only two people to point their finger at me and flat out call me scum and group leader. Starseed said he figured I sent the Eternals invite. Pux called me scum in Twilight and then again today. Outside of these two, the only other person to openly question where I stand is GGG and even he didn't fully believe I was scum, he just probably wanted me to get off his ass. No one else has questioned it, I've never had a vote on me. If they asked questions maybe it would make more sense or give some proof around it, but they just seem to be tossing it out here and there.

And if I am right and Pux is sending invites, they damn well know I'm town and trying to take me out. Those aren't invites. Those are ultimatums. The first one might have been funny. The last Guardians one certainly wasn't. And the Eternals one sounded like they wanted to recruit me for the scum because I could take the entire town out. I've said before, I fear for the next one. Especially if it's Guardian. I'm worried I will no longer have a choice in the matter.

[Oling_Roachinen]

I might risk it and decline regardless.

I think Puxlut was trying to very subtly pressure us into accepting invites because the 2 mafia members didn't.

I know I'm town, and I highly doubt that you and Diss are the remaining mafia members, so I'm fairly certain there's nothing stopping them from joining.

Getting an Eternals vote tomorrow or causing an extra kill tonight would cost us the game.

[Hockeyguy15]

At this point I am ignoring who is in what cult, because my Guardian invite straight up said it wouldn't be surprising if mafia members had accepted invites.

I'm just throwing out scenarios. Some of them just pop into my head. The ones that start to get hyper-defensive about it are the ones that make me distrustful of them. (see my distrust of Oling...) Unfortunately almost everyone left has done this.
Yes, my lists have changed as the game has progressed. Things get said and then get bumped up on the ladder. Have I called anyone scum today?
If you lynch myself or Starseed, it's 5-2 (assuming there's 2 mafia left)What happens if they get a double kill again at night? Then we're at 3-2. All it would take is one person to not guess right and it's game over.
I know people will put holes in my plan, but this is how i'm seeing it. Our mafia hunting sucks... or the mafia is just being really good at keeping quiet this game.
I'm not sending out any invites. I don't have any useful powers.
Vote: dissentowner

[dissentowner]

Don't fall for the puxlut's crap. She wants me out because I was the one who has been constantly pointing out how the MOT have been behind more damage to the town than anybody else. If I was scum I would have changed my vote on the prior day and hammered squiggs, I didn't. It should be pretty clear by now I am on the lights side. Last day it was starseed going after me, saying squiggs and I were scum partners, he knew we were both town. He got squiggs killed and now his partner Puxlut is trying to roll the ball on me so they can get that much closer to winning.

[Drury18]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

I might risk it and decline regardless.

That was the plan. If I suddenly start quacking like a duck or exhibit other odd behavior, best to assume I told another group no.

I think Puxlut was trying to very subtly pressure us into accepting invites because the 2 mafia members didn't.

I know I'm town, and I highly doubt that you and Diss are the remaining mafia members, so I'm fairly certain there's nothing stopping them from joining.

I got a similar read on her questioning. Wasn't sure where she was going with that. Perhaps she can further explain her theory on that?

I was offered a Ninja kill that couldn't be tracked to me. If I was scum, I would have been all over that. It's also why I suggested the next person who accepts an Eternal's invite be lynched. There isn't enough certainty at this point to know whose scum and the numbers are close. To kill someone secretly at night isn't town helpful right now.

Originally Posted by Puxlut

Have I called anyone scum today?

Close enough. Or is that being too hyper-defensive for you?

Originally Posted by Puxlut

Could a mafia have a save power? This is a long shot, but what if Drury was mafia and saved his buddy. And then everyone thinks Drury is town because he used a "good" power?

Not sure what you were trying to get at with that. Sort of like Starseed's "throwing it out there" that he thinks I might be sending Eternals invites a few days ago.

[starseed]

I have to prepare for an exam tomorrow and an assignment I've procrastinated for too long on, I'll review and post my theory tomorrow. Also, think Drury is only one besides pux that I trust right now... Which means I have a lot of homework here as well.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by Puxlut

If you lynch myself or Starseed, it's 5-2 (assuming there's 2 mafia left)What happens if they get a double kill again at night? Then we're at 3-2. All it would take is one person to not guess right and it's game over.

It's (likely) 5-2 right now before the lynch. Unless you're somehow lynchproof we'd be down 4-2 after the lynch if you are town and a night kill brings us to 3-2.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Diss, just to confirm so there's not an accidental hammer or something, you have not used your double vote power yet?