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[psyang]

Originally Posted by Tron_fdc

I've been using the Callaway XR16. It got to the point that I've been slowing my swing speed down SO much (likely in the low 90's) that my distance was the same (or less) than my 3W. No control whatsoever, typically hard pulls and pop flys. I just could NOT figure it out. Trackman session told me my attack angle was too steep, which I tried to adjust, but it would never work.

I've been swinging the M6 as hard as I can.....I mean, I can see a large amount of club in my backswing, and I feel like I can't rip it any harder than I do. Most of the t shots are missiles, with the odd mis hit that STILL goes 225+ and is playable.

Just a magic set of drivers so far. I play an old set of Taylor Made M2 irons, and if the sim irons are anywhere near the quality of the driver lineup I'm buying them ASAP.

I would look at the difference in shaft over the actual clubhead. Sounds like the M6 shaft is more geared for your swing speed than the XR16.

[DoubleK]

Originally Posted by Tron_fdc

I've been swinging the M6 as hard as I can.....I mean, I can see a large amount of club in my backswing, and I feel like I can't rip it any harder than I do.

I think I've isolated the problem.

[Tron_fdc]

Originally Posted by DoubleK

I think I've isolated the problem.

I think you might be misunderstanding me.

I had an XR16 with a stiff shaft, typically producing a straight pull when swung hard. Slowed down it was generally in control, but WAY short.

Went to an M6 Regular shaft, but I'm swinging a lot harder (in some instances as hard as I can). You would think at 100+ mph it would be producing a high slice in a reg shaft, but it isn't. It's straight or produces a draw. I tried the M6 stiff shaft, and THAT produced a slice from time to time and almost no pull. I have no idea why (or theory) other than it just "feels" better with a bit of whip in the club.

I guess my question is, do I consider the sim2 max with stiff shaft or regular? Maybe start with a reg shaft and go from there I guess?

[Northendzone]

Golfed at speargrass - the course kicked me hard.

Great deal at $65 with a power cart (no mere mortal could walk that course) and range balls.

Cosier was in decent shape with realities quick greens.

[Weitz]

Got a nice 10 days of golf coming up. Tourney on Thursday. Both kananaskis courses sat/sun and then 36 holes out at priddis (both courses) next weekend!

[DoubleK]

Originally Posted by Tron_fdc

I guess my question is, do I consider the sim2 max with stiff shaft or regular? Maybe start with a reg shaft and go from there I guess?

Honestly, pay the $150 and go hit everything at Modern Golf. Ask them to try all of the stock shafts and in every head. If you buy for them they will waive the fitting fee. You will be paying top dollar, but if you want to take the guess work out, it's the best way.

You might find out that your M6 is best.

When I did my last fitting at club champion, they didn't change the head, just the shaft which I picked up off eBay for a fraction of what they quoted.

[Weitz]

Originally Posted by DoubleK

Honestly, pay the $150 and go hit everything at Modern Golf. Ask them to try all of the stock shafts and in every head. If you buy for them they will waive the fitting fee. You will be paying top dollar, but if you want to take the guess work out, it's the best way.

You might find out that your M6 is best.

When I did my last fitting at club champion, they didn't change the head, just the shaft which I picked up off eBay for a fraction of what they quoted.

That $150 just for a driver? I’d like to get a driver fitting.

[DoubleK]

Originally Posted by Weitz

That $150 just for a driver? I’d like to get a driver fitting.

Driver is $100. I just looked.

They do a 50% off sale a full bag fitting early in the year.

[Enoch Root]

It's worth it. I did a full bag fitting in Phx and I am really happy with the results - have never hit my long irons better, for instance.

[Manhattanboy]

Originally Posted by Tron_fdc

I think you might be misunderstanding me.

I had an XR16 with a stiff shaft, typically producing a straight pull when swung hard. Slowed down it was generally in control, but WAY short.

Went to an M6 Regular shaft, but I'm swinging a lot harder (in some instances as hard as I can). You would think at 100+ mph it would be producing a high slice in a reg shaft, but it isn't. It's straight or produces a draw. I tried the M6 stiff shaft, and THAT produced a slice from time to time and almost no pull. I have no idea why (or theory) other than it just "feels" better with a bit of whip in the club.

I guess my question is, do I consider the sim2 max with stiff shaft or regular? Maybe start with a reg shaft and go from there I guess?

For what it’s worth I don’t have a particularly fast swing so went with Sim2 irons in a regular shaft (steel). But I could not for the life of me hit the regular shaft (10.5) Sim2 driver. Terrible slice every shot.

So I traded for the stiff shaft 9 driver (which is what I had in the old rocket driver, which I still really like btw) and it’s fantastic.

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

For what it’s worth I don’t have a particularly fast swing so went with Sim2 irons in a regular shaft (steel). But I could not for the life of me hit the regular shaft (10.5) Sim2 driver. Terrible slice every shot.

So I traded for the stiff shaft 9 driver (which is what I had in the old rocket driver, which I still really like btw) and it’s fantastic.

Interesting.
I have a terrible slice with my M6 regular shaft (11.5).
I don't slice with any other club, so I wonder if the regular shaft is causing mine too.

Picked up a used Sim Max 3wood stiff shaft yesterday, so hoping to find more consistency with that, then maybe trade in my driver if it seems to be working.

[DoubleK]

What's the standard length for a driver these days? 45.5 or 46 inches? I used to have a wicked blocky slice that went away after going to a 44.75" playing length.

Maybe try gripping down on the shaft an inch or so, before cutting the shaft. Fair warning, cutting the shaft changes the swing weight and flex marginally.

[Tron_fdc]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

Interesting.
I have a terrible slice with my M6 regular shaft (11.5).
I don't slice with any other club, so I wonder if the regular shaft is causing mine too.

Picked up a used Sim Max 3wood stiff shaft yesterday, so hoping to find more consistency with that, then maybe trade in my driver if it seems to be working.

The theory (as I understand it, which is probably wrong) is that with an increase in club head speed the regular shaft can't square up fast enough. So if you swing over 100mph you might want to look at a stiff shaft that is already squared up (less torque? Or is it more? I don't know). I already have a closed face on impact (hence my straight pull) so my personal theory is the regular shaft with a high swing speed (for me) means the head is behind my hands, but because I swing outside in the head is actually square when I make contact. Which is probably the dumbest theory there is, but it's all I can come up with.

You should do a Trackman session to check your swing speed, attack angle and face angle to see if you can identify what you're doing.

[Winsor_Pilates]

I think your theory makes some sense.
I don't think I swing out to in, but I do feel I swing too fast and my club head is behind.
So there's a good chance that's at least part of my issue.

[bossy22]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

Interesting.
I have a terrible slice with my M6 regular shaft (11.5).
I don't slice with any other club, so I wonder if the regular shaft is causing mine too.

Picked up a used Sim Max 3wood stiff shaft yesterday, so hoping to find more consistency with that, then maybe trade in my driver if it seems to be working.

I was doing the same thing. I took a couple of lessons out at Priddis and he changed my grip so that I could see three knuckles on my top hand. He said my swing itself was good, but I was hitting with an open club face. We first tried me focusing on rolling my wrists over to square up the club face, which I could do if I slowed down my swing, but if I sped it up, I couldn't keep up with the rollover, so then next lesson we changed my grip. It was really slight, and felt weird, but this prevented my wrists from rolling too much with the driver. Now I'm hitting the driver straight.

[bomber317]

Originally Posted by bossy22

I was doing the same thing. I took a couple of lessons out at Priddis and he changed my grip so that I could see three knuckles on my top hand. He said my swing itself was good, but I was hitting with an open club face. We first tried me focusing on rolling my wrists over to square up the club face, which I could do if I slowed down my swing, but if I sped it up, I couldn't keep up with the rollover, so then next lesson we changed my grip. It was really slight, and felt weird, but this prevented my wrists from rolling too much with the driver. Now I'm hitting the driver straight.

I believe you are now using a Strong grip?

I had the same problem, club face was too open on contact, and I couldn't lock my wrists enough to close the face. So they switched me to a strong grip to help alleviate that.

[bossy22]

Originally Posted by bomber317

I believe you are now using a Strong grip?

I had the same problem, club face was too open on contact, and I couldn't lock my wrists enough to close the face. So they switched me to a strong grip to help alleviate that.

Yes, that's what he called it.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by bossy22

I was doing the same thing. I took a couple of lessons out at Priddis and he changed my grip so that I could see three knuckles on my top hand. He said my swing itself was good, but I was hitting with an open club face. We first tried me focusing on rolling my wrists over to square up the club face, which I could do if I slowed down my swing, but if I sped it up, I couldn't keep up with the rollover, so then next lesson we changed my grip. It was really slight, and felt weird, but this prevented my wrists from rolling too much with the driver. Now I'm hitting the driver straight.

Are you a member there?

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by bossy22

I was doing the same thing. I took a couple of lessons out at Priddis and he changed my grip so that I could see three knuckles on my top hand. He said my swing itself was good, but I was hitting with an open club face. We first tried me focusing on rolling my wrists over to square up the club face, which I could do if I slowed down my swing, but if I sped it up, I couldn't keep up with the rollover, so then next lesson we changed my grip. It was really slight, and felt weird, but this prevented my wrists from rolling too much with the driver. Now I'm hitting the driver straight.

This is exactly why most club fittings are useless. The imperfections in the golf swing just mean you're going to be making the same errors, just with different clubs. If you want to solve a problem have a professional look at your swing. Good ones can give you minor corrections that will correct most ball flight or shot shape issues, and at a fraction of the cost. It ain't the tool that makes that beautiful piece of furniture, its the carpenter.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

This is exactly why most club fittings are useless. The imperfections in the golf swing just mean you're going to be making the same errors, just with different clubs. If you want to solve a problem have a professional look at your swing. Good ones can give you minor corrections that will correct most ball flight or shot shape issues, and at a fraction of the cost. It ain't the tool that makes that beautiful piece of furniture, its the carpenter.

I've debated getting fit for clubs and I'm completely sure that I've talked about it here. Isn't there some value in getting fit, in the sense that if I have a consistent swing with a consistent "error" that they can basically adapt the clubs to help deal with that these days? I don't know if I'm phrasing that quite right, but other people I know have had clubs fit and it's made a significant difference for them. Other guys I know basically bought a set of clubs off the shelf, and they've also had significant differences...so I have no idea anymore!