Flames 2013 Draft Discussion

[Cheerio]

My dream draft would have the Flames take Monohan at #6 as I think he is a lot like Patrice Bergeron without the concussions and that is the type of guy you win with. Then with 21/22 I would take Theodore/Hagg/Pulock as a good offensive Dman who can QB the PP. Then finally at 27-30 I would hope for JT Compher, he has been compared to Ryan Kesler, and if you can get Kesler without the diving BS you have to make that pick as he is a perfect #2 C going forward behind Monohan/Lindholm.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by cowtown75

I think Gauthier is the next Rob Niedermeyer. He is clumsy as crap- no where close to Joe. I'm sorry about your friend's assessment. He is just big, that's all.

Monahan is more of the Rob Niedermayer of this draft in my opinion. Same type of hype around them, same size, same hitch in their skating. They excelled in junior because of their size advantage, but it doesn't necessarily translate to the NHL, which we saw with Rob. Niedermayer got all the opportunity he could handle because of his draft position and name. He was a good third or fourth liner, but you don't blow a top 10 draft pick on that type of player. Monahan reminds me too much of Niedermayer and I'd stay away from him for that reason. How would Flames fans feel if we spent our first pick on a Rob Niedermayer or an Eric Nystrom?

On Gauthier, the kid has shown the ability to be dominant on both sides of the puck. He's a guy that should be available later in the first round so if he turns into Rob Niedermayer you aren't overly concerned. That's the type of player you hope to get in the late first round. Not much risk with that pick.

[The Original FFIV]

Originally Posted by Commandant

Anton Slepyshev, big Russian forward, very skilled, KHL Factor alarm bells.

http://lastwordonsports.com/2013/05/...er-profile-47/

And we could have picked him in the 7th round last year. Would like to see ghe new management team take a chance on players like these in late rounds - kind of like buying for cents on the dollar.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by The Original FFIV

And we could have picked him in the 7th round last year. Would like to see ghe new management team take a chance on players like these in late rounds - kind of like buying for cents on the dollar.

I was going to post something like I would burn a fourth round pick on him if he made it to the fourth round.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I personally think Horvat may have a higher upside, like maybe that of a Conroy type of player. And while Niedermeyer was decent defensively, he was also dog lazy, indifferent at times, and at other times, just clueless on the ice. Some of the things Horvat gets praised for the most are his drive , hockey sense and work ethic.

Niedermayer was projected as a 1st line center and it never worked out that way while Horvat on his draft year doesn't even project as a 1st line center. It's not impossible that he becomes more but history tells us there is better chance of a player not meeting his expectations than exceeding them.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by cowtown75

Lindholm said he is playing another year in Sweden next year. Monahan is ready now.

I'm not convinced Monahan will make the NHL next year. Also just beavause Lindholm is going back doesn't mean he couldn't make the NHL. He has already succeeded against men.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I personally think Horvat may have a higher upside, like maybe that of a Conroy type of player. And while Niedermeyer was decent defensively, he was also dog lazy, indifferent at times, and at other times, just clueless on the ice. Some of the things Horvat gets praised for the most are his drive , hockey sense and work ethic.

Horvat looks absolutely nothing like Niedermayer. EE has a terrible comparison there.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Niedermayer was projected as a 1st line center and it never worked out that way while Horvat on his draft year doesn't even project as a 1st line center. It's not impossible that he becomes more but history tells us there is better chance of a player not meeting his expectations than exceeding them.

History based on one example? We could easily look at Kesler or Backes who had similar projections to Horvat and point out that they met or exceeded those expectations. I would bet that the lower a player is projected, the more likely it is they will meet those expectations.

Saying that Horvat doesn't even project as a 1st liner has no bearing on his likelihood to make it as a 2nd liner. The comparison is also to the players that Niedermeyer and Conroy became, but not what they were once projected as.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by New Era

Monahan is more of the Rob Niedermayer of this draft in my opinion. Same type of hype around them, same size, same hitch in their skating. They excelled in junior because of their size advantage, but it doesn't necessarily translate to the NHL, which we saw with Rob. Niedermayer got all the opportunity he could handle because of his draft position and name. He was a good third or fourth liner, but you don't blow a top 10 draft pick on that type of player. Monahan reminds me too much of Niedermayer and I'd stay away from him for that reason. How would Flames fans feel if we spent our first pick on a Rob Niedermayer or an Eric Nystrom?

How many games have you watched of Monahan to say that?

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

How many games have you watched of Monahan to say that?

I actually don't think an Eric Nystrom floor is far off for Monahan. He'll be an NHL player, but probably won't be a star.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Saying that Horvat doesn't even project as a 1st liner has no bearing on his likelihood to make it as a 2nd liner. The comparison is also to the players that Niedermeyer and Conroy became, but not what they were once projected as.

You are making comparisons to established NHL players based on what though? Horvat hasn't even been drafted yet. All we have at the moment is projection and what I said was Horvat projects to a 2nd/3rd line center in the mold of a Rob Neidermayer. It's all we have and it's all NHL teams have. Everything else is the future and you simply can't say just because once in a while a guy like Kesler comes along and exceeds expectations that it's the norm because it's the exception not the norm. Could Horvat be the exception? Absolutely but there's a better chance that he's the norm as only a very small handful of the hundreds of players drafted this June will play in the NHL.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

I actually don't think an Eric Nystrom floor is far off for Monahan. He'll be an NHL player, but probably won't be a star.

And how many games of Monahan have you seen? Gotta love that everybody is instantly an expert on a guy that most of us can't have seen much of.

[handgroen]

Anybody else think that philly's pick @ 11th may be available?
Briere i believe does have genuine negative trade value @ 6.5M for 2 more years, and is being rumored as a buyout candidate. The flames could easily take on his salary with nothing coming back.

maybe i'm just bored but i'm wondering what would make this trade work.

To CGY
Briere, 11th overall
To Philly
?????

The deal would be a draft day deal of course, so which player/players would need to be available at 11th to make this deal irresistible for the flames?

my crack at it.

Spoiler!

To CGY
Briere, 11th overall
To Philly
Glencross

i do the deal if
Nurse/Zadorov are available

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

Horvat looks absolutely nothing like Niedermayer. EE has a terrible comparison there.

Neidermayer was a 2nd/3rd line center that played well at both ends of the ice and could chip in with 15-20 goals. You think Horvat hasn't been scouted to be that same type of player? Please explain why it's terrible outside of just trying to trash me.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

How many games have you watched of Monahan to say that?

Probably as many as you.

[freakinsaprikin]

Not sure if this has been posted yet, Interview with Weisbrod on the up coming draft:



http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=672156

I think it's a really strong draft all the way into the third round. So, from our standpoint, it makes me excited about having three picks in the first round because there are a lot of high-potential players in this pool.

Interesting read, especially when Weisbrod talks about the depth of the draft class.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by New Era

Probably as many as you.

And yet you're the one making definitive statements about Monahan. I try to only do that with players I've seen in at least a few games. Monahan I've only seen once at the top prospects game.

So man up and tell us how many times you've seen him.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

And yet you're the one making definitive statements about Monahan. I try to only do that with players I've seen in at least a few games. Monahan I've only seen once at the top prospects game.

So man up and tell us how many times you've seen him.

I said nothing definitive. I stated it was my opinion. My opinion based on three or four viewings of his play, including the prospects game.

[Incogneto]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I have never seen Frederik Gauthier, but someone around here alluded to him as being next Dingman. If so, stay away.

Dingman has two cups. If that comes with Gauthier, then take him with the #6 pick

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by New Era

I said nothing definitive. I stated it was my opinion. My opinion based on three or four viewings of his play, including the prospects game. Is that "man" enough tough guy.

No need to go there as it will just get the mods involved. Flames Draft Watcher is a pretty good poster and I usually agree with him however sometimes he takes his user name a bit too seriously.