Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by OldDutch

They did. It brought down the last era of Liberals.

Along the way the Liberals got smarter. They positioned themselves as the party of righteousness. Playing wedge issues and identity politics to position them as the party of virtue. Anyone against them as plain evil.

Its taken from Trump and American politics. If you use tribalism into a us vs them people will forgive anything you do and reject anything you feel is evil.

Look at the term Liberal in the US. Its an insult.

Look at Conservative here. It means out of touch, greedy evil people who will regress (insert social issue here).

Easy to fleece pockets when people look the other way.

Based on a post like this I think it’s safe to say they definitely got you with that strategy. The only real question is who’s “they”.

Wedge issues are a liberal thing? There’s literally a video a few posts up of the opposition leader gaslighting Canadians and trying to paint the CBC as a propaganda machine without ever being able to provide proof that they’ve misreported anything.

IMO the biggest issue right now in Canadian politics isn’t the conservatives, or the liberals, or the NDP, or big oil, or unions or whoever else you want to target with your cookie cutter mad libs style arguments. The biggest issue is too many people believe manipulative, misleading and often hypocritical bull#### theories that people try to pass off as facts.

[JohnnyB]

Originally Posted by Yoho

https://twitter.com/user/status/1626700104538157062

I always feel that Pierre Polievre seems so very familiar in the way he speaks, and I just realized who it is he reminds me of.

He's 100% what Gavin from KITH would be as a grown-up.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by JohnnyB

I always feel that Pierre Polievre seems so very familiar in the way he speaks, and I just realized who it is he reminds me of.

He's 100% what Gavin from KITH would be as a grown-up.

Just imagine if he was our PM??! laughing stock of the world.

[btimbit]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

Just imagine if he was our PM??! laughing stock of the world.

I don't even want to think about it. Our PM is already embarrassing, why the right thinks we should downgrade to an even bigger idiot is just insane to me

[GGG]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

Based on a post like this I think it’s safe to say they definitely got you with that strategy. The only real question is who’s “they”.

Wedge issues are a liberal thing? There’s literally a video a few posts up of the opposition leader gaslighting Canadians and trying to paint the CBC as a propaganda machine without ever being able to provide proof that they’ve misreported anything.

IMO the biggest issue right now in Canadian politics isn’t the conservatives, or the liberals, or the NDP, or big oil, or unions or whoever else you want to target with your cookie cutter mad libs style arguments. The biggest issue is too many people believe manipulative, misleading and often hypocritical bull#### theories that people try to pass off as facts.

Yes since at least the time of Harper. The liberals have used the they will take away abortion rights as a means to split the electorate in a similar manner to the republicans they will take your guns. Even if you look at libera language around the covidiots it was divisive. It’s highlighted in the EMA report that this exasberbated the problem.

It’s only recently post Trump that the Cons have stepped up the freedom fear mongering as they cosplay republicans.

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by GGG

Yes since at least the time of Harper. The liberals have used the they will take away abortion rights as a means to split the electorate in a similar manner to the republicans they will take your guns. Even if you look at libera language around the covidiots it was divisive. It’s highlighted in the EMA report that this exasberbated the problem.

It’s only recently post Trump that the Cons have stepped up the freedom fear mongering as they cosplay republicans.

I don’t know about that. I think it’s just more noticeable now because of social media.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

I don’t know about that. I think it’s just more noticeable now because of social media.

What would you say the Conservative wedge was when Harper was running?

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by GGG

What would you say the Conservative wedge was when Harper was running?

Different answers for when he first ran and his last election when it was all “Trudeau, Trudeau, Trudeau!…” but if you want to suggest it’s only post trump that they started “cosplaying” as republicans tell me which American political party do these types of statements remind you of?:

We need to get our tax rates down. We are proposing lower taxes for all Canadians, focusing on the middle class that has been left behind under the Liberals.

We will also work to reduce the tax burden on all businesses to create a climate where they can prosper and create jobs.

We need to ensure that our borders are secure

https://www.poltext.org/sites/poltex...2004_PC_en.pdf

[peter12]

Originally Posted by GGG

What would you say the Conservative wedge was when Harper was running?

Inexperience and corruption.

[b1crunch]

Originally Posted by OldDutch

They did. It brought down the last era of Liberals.

Along the way the Liberals got smarter. They positioned themselves as the party of righteousness. Playing wedge issues and identity politics to position them as the party of virtue. Anyone against them as plain evil.

Its taken from Trump and American politics. If you use tribalism into a us vs them people will forgive anything you do and reject anything you feel is evil.

Look at the term Liberal in the US. Its an insult.

Look at Conservative here. It means out of touch, greedy evil people who will regress (insert social issue here).

Easy to fleece pockets when people look the other way.

This is a straight up ridiculous post full of made up nonsense.

Politicians since the beginning of time have "positioned themselves as righteous" or as the "party of virtue". This isn't new. I'd agree that it appears more noticeable now, but it's certainly been happening in politics for a VERY long time. Any suggestion that JT is the first politician to do this is ridiculous.

Then you claim Trudeau took it from Trump?! LOL. Trudeau and the Liberals were first elected in 2015 and Trump in 2016. Trudeau and the Liberals were already doing some of these things pre-Trump. Since, as I said before, these are not anything new to politics. I mean, PP is doing the exact same things now.

It's cute that you think "Liberal" is a positive word here but not in the US and "conservative" vice versa, but that's not even remotely true. I mean, it's probably true in your own mind, but come on. I know plenty of people who use the word Liberal in a negative connotation here in Canada, and there is lots of American content on the internet that is negative towards conservatives. It's all context and who you're interacting with.

I've read some made up, garbage stuff on this forum, but this post is one of the worst in a while. I've said it many times on this forum - Trudeau is a terrible PM in many ways. You don't need to invent things to prove it. He does enough on his own to show that he's generally an idiot.

[b1crunch]

Is Poilievre going to denounce the 'media' outlets that openly support him such as Rebel or True North? If not, then he can stfu about media bias. It's gross and unbecoming behavior of a potential PM.

I hate the idiotic, braindead discussion around media bias that has been taking place recently (on these forums, and in the general society).

Media bias has ALWAYS existed. Literally every minute of every day since the beginning of mass media. Every politician in the history of politics has had to deal with bias. Media bias didn't suddenly just start happening. The only difference now is people started complaining about it, because it triggers the crazies in just the right way to create faux internet rage.

But this country has successfully elected many conservative politicians regardless of some perceived bias. I mean, look at all the conservative Premiers we have across the country right now. There's literally at least 7 conservative-leaning Premiers currently. How did they find success in such a terrible media biased environment? Especially in a country like Canada where apparently the word 'conservative' means 'out of touch, greedy evil people'. LOL

If PP wants to win over the majority of Canadians, he needs to cut out the brain-dead discussion of CBC or whatever media bias and talk about real issues that most people care about. (inflation, jobs, immigration, the military, foreign affairs, housing, healthcare, education, etc.)

Because, for me, the media bias shtick only works on the brain-dead crazies. Average, everyday people who don't post on twitter or a political internet forum, don't give a #### about media bias and PP's whining about it. They care about paying the bills, keeping a job, their house, their health, etc. You know, real, everyday things that actually matter.

[OldDutch]

Originally Posted by b1crunch

This is a straight up ridiculous post full of made up nonsense.

Politicians since the beginning of time have "positioned themselves as righteous" or as the "party of virtue". This isn't new. I'd agree that it appears more noticeable now, but it's certainly been happening in politics for a VERY long time. Any suggestion that JT is the first politician to do this is ridiculous.

Then you claim Trudeau took it from Trump?! LOL. Trudeau and the Liberals were first elected in 2015 and Trump in 2016. Trudeau and the Liberals were already doing some of these things pre-Trump. Since, as I said before, these are not anything new to politics. I mean, PP is doing the exact same things now.

It's cute that you think "Liberal" is a positive word here but not in the US and "conservative" vice versa, but that's not even remotely true. I mean, it's probably true in your own mind, but come on. I know plenty of people who use the word Liberal in a negative connotation here in Canada, and there is lots of American content on the internet that is negative towards conservatives. It's all context and who you're interacting with.

I've read some made up, garbage stuff on this forum, but this post is one of the worst in a while. I've said it many times on this forum - Trudeau is a terrible PM in many ways. You don't need to invent things to prove it. He does enough on his own to show that he's generally an idiot.

This post is hilarious.

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by OldDutch

This post is hilarious.

Solid rebuttal. 10 out of 10

[GGG]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

Different answers for when he first ran and his last election when it was all “Trudeau, Trudeau, Trudeau!…” but if you want to suggest it’s only post trump that they started “cosplaying” as republicans tell me which American political party do these types of statements remind you of?:


https://www.poltext.org/sites/poltex...2004_PC_en.pdf

I think our discussion and my comment was about wedge issues. Trudeau, Trudeau, Trudeau is not a wedge issue. Low taxes and being left behind are not wedge issues. That’s policy discussion and negative campaigning.

My interpretation of the classic wedge issue is to create situations where despite agreeing with a party there is one specific issue that causes you to vote against all the other things that matter. Usually they have been social issues rather than economic. In the US they have been, guns, gays, abortion etc.

But to your specific quotes they sound like this US platform

We must reform our tax code. It's thousands of pages long, a monstrosity that high-priced lobbyists have rigged with page after page of special interest loopholes and tax shelters. We will shut down the corporate loopholes and tax havens and use the money so that we can provide an immediate middle-class tax cut that will offer relief to workers and their families.

We cannot continue to allow people to enter the United States undetected, undocumented, and unchecked. The American people are a welcoming and generous people, but those who enter our country's borders illegally, and those who employ them, disrespect the rule of the law. We need to secure our borders, and support additional personnel, infrastructure, and technology on the border and at our ports of entry. We need additional Customs and Border Protection agents equipped with better technology and real-time intelligence.

I would say that up until Bush II the democrats were similar to the Canadian conservatives but that is a completely separate debate.

[Captain Otto]

Originally Posted by OldDutch

This post is hilarious.

Is that you PP? Dodge, dodge, dodge.... The only thing you missed is first calling it a post by the "MSM" (I feel dirty saying that).

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[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by peter12

Inexperience and corruption.

Muslims too. He wanted us all to call the hotline if we saw anything and wanted to ban certain religious clothing items. Muslims were a convenient wedge for Steve.

[MarchHare]

Originally Posted by GGG

What would you say the Conservative wedge was when Harper was running?

Niqab bans, barbaric cultural practices snitch hotlines, "Old Stock Canadians", treating naturalized Canadian citizens differently under the law from Canadians who gained citizenship at birth.

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by GGG

I think our discussion and my comment was about wedge issues. Trudeau, Trudeau, Trudeau is not a wedge issue. Low taxes and being left behind are not wedge issues. That’s policy discussion and negative campaigning.

When I stop seeing stickers that say “#### Trudeau” with no other context I’ll be more inclined to agree he’s not a wedge issue for many voters.

My interpretation of the classic wedge issue is to create situations where despite agreeing with a party there is one specific issue that causes you to vote against all the other things that matter. Usually they have been social issues rather than economic. In the US they have been, guns, gays, abortion etc.

How do any of those things not fall under the same category of policy discussion and negative campaigning?

I would say that up until Bush II the democrats were similar to the Canadian conservatives but that is a completely separate debate.

I think that overall they’re still fairly similar but as you said that’s a completely separate debate. What’s your take on Harper having been a strong proponent of right to work laws? I think we can agree that there isn’t much to debate about which American party falls in line with that.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

When I stop seeing stickers that say “#### Trudeau” with no other context I’ll be more inclined to agree he’s not a wedge issue for many voters.



How do any of those things not fall under the same category of policy discussion and negative campaigning?



I think that overall they’re still fairly similar but as you said that’s a completely separate debate. What’s your take on Harper having been a strong proponent of right to work laws? I think we can agree that there isn’t much to debate about which American party falls in line with that.

Harper had a law forcing unions to disclose to all Canadians what they spent their dues on. But it did not force Corporations to do the same thing. He was a king of wedge issues.

[Fuzz]

Or the "office of religious freedoms" which was really just to protect Christians. And wasn't their a hotline to rat on people you found uncomfortable(Muslims)?