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Old 03-24-2022, 12:11 PM   #4481
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Now Biden says that NATO would respond if Putin uses chemical weapons.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...08d422c5d5cc74
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Good Twitter string again by Mark Hertling on morale


https://twitter.com/user/status/1506977806261051394


Plus Mark on CNN


https://vimeo.com/user87970289/revie...243/95e78a1d62

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Old 03-24-2022, 12:22 PM   #4483
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Does Putin want NATO to respond ?
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Old 03-24-2022, 12:25 PM   #4484
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Does Putin want NATO to respond ?
Many have speculated he's already dying of illness.

Maybe he wants to go down guns a blazing instead.
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Now Biden says that NATO would respond if Putin uses chemical weapons.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...08d422c5d5cc74
Of course they would. He never said how they would respond, likely more sanctions.
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Of course they would. He never said how they would respond, likely more sanctions.
More sanctions/supply more arms and resources to Ukraine.
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Now Biden says that NATO would respond if Putin uses chemical weapons.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...08d422c5d5cc74
and?


Listen all this rests at Putin's feet.

All of it.
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Good Twitter string again by Mark Hertling on morale


https://twitter.com/user/status/1506977806261051394


Plus Mark on CNN


https://vimeo.com/user87970289/revie...243/95e78a1d62
This is an important point:

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"Training and the trust in equipment"

Both sides have similar equipment (though the RU's certainly have a quantity advantage).

But in seeing RU training...it's abysmal.

On the other side, starting in 2008, UKR adopted the EUCOM and NATO training model.
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Now Biden says that NATO would respond if Putin uses chemical weapons.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...08d422c5d5cc74
yes he did. and I'm glad.
You can't excuse the use of chemical weapons.

and he actually said

he (biden) could not talk about military intelligence.

And he then added on Putin and chemical weapons: “We would respond if he uses it. The nature of our response would depend on the nature of the use.”

seems reasonable.
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Old 03-24-2022, 01:40 PM   #4490
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Of course they would. He never said how they would respond, likely more sanctions.
NATO does not impose sanctions. It's a military alliance.
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Old 03-24-2022, 02:12 PM   #4491
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I suspect a response would be similar to what Trump did to Syria when they used chemical weapons. Cruise missile strikes wherever the attack originated.
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NATO does not impose sanctions. It's a military alliance.
Easy solution, don't use chemical weapons.
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NATO does not impose sanctions. It's a military alliance.
Kinda feels like you are reaching a bit here. NATO countries have been the main group of countries to impose sanctions. Seems like semantics to me.

But frankly I am glad he said this, Putin needs to know that there are consequences for his actions and he cannot continue to murder innocent people for no valid reason. Stop murdering people!!!!

This whole thing disgusts me.
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Pointman is seriously no worse than all the dumb Americans with their Support our Troops bumper stickers and all the, 'let's fight them over there so we don't have to fight them here' bs when the USA attacked and destroyed Iraq. A certain type of guy will just rally around "the cause" for the their country. We've seen it ourselves when our main ally decided to go completely fataing nuts and destroy a country for no justifiable reason. Hell, there were Canadians - usually the right-leaning ones - who also supported ruining Iraq.

It's weird how as you get older you just see this same #### over and over. Depressing.
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Unpleasant, you say? Well that's a shame.
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Unpleasant Positions? Like what? Like in the back of a Volkswagen?
or being tied down in hell, forced to eat pizza with only pineapple toppings

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Unpleasant Positions? Like what? Like in the back of a Volkswagen?
well maybe if you're in the back of a Volkswagen with Jimmy Saville and you're 12
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Old 03-24-2022, 04:49 PM   #4500
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Pointman is seriously no worse than all the dumb Americans with their Support our Troops bumper stickers and all the, 'let's fight them over there so we don't have to fight them here' bs when the USA attacked and destroyed Iraq. A certain type of guy will just rally around "the cause" for the their country. We've seen it ourselves when our main ally decided to go completely fataing nuts and destroy a country for no justifiable reason. Hell, there were Canadians - usually the right-leaning ones - who also supported ruining Iraq.

It's weird how as you get older you just see this same #### over and over. Depressing.
Or he's someone who lives in a different country and has a different worldview than you do, who is being fed (and likely has for years) a steady diet of lies and propaganda by his government and society and is scared that his country just started a war that is pissing off pretty much everyone else on the planet and doesn't know what to think. I see him asking a lot of questions in this thread, which many of us are taking as contrarian because we're very emotional about this situation, but I do not see him supporting Putin or rushing to "rally around the cause" for his country - in fact most of his comments have indicated a clear lack of support for the actions of his government.

To be clear, my wife's whole family is Ukrainian and I am very firmly on team Ukraine here. What Russia is doing here is heartbreaking, disgusting, immoral, and in many cases straight-up evil. I will be the first one to take up the "#### Putin" chant, but I don't know if it's fair to jump on a guy who (I think) has been a pretty solid member of this community because he is offering different viewpoints. Admittedly a lot of it doesn't make sense to me either, but I'm not in his position. If I lived in a country where my President had just started an unjust and inhumane invasion and alienated the rest of the world, I might be a little worried about if & when the bombs were going to start falling on my head too.
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