Craig's List 2014 Prospects

[codynw]

Originally Posted by shutout

Maybe not. But a rebuilding team should be looking at and talking about any and all potential scenarios that might make the team better.

I realize that you like to follow the crowd and mock out of the box thinking, but try not to strain your meager intelligence too much.

That won't make the team better than a 4th overall pick that could end up being Reinhart/Bennet/Draisaitl. If they were picking 6th, I would agree with trading down, but there is supposedly a huge talent dropoff after the top 4-5 players. The Flames have never had a top 5 pick before, it's time.

[Calgary4LIfe]

Originally Posted by codynw

That won't make the team better than a 4th overall pick that could end up being Reinhart/Bennet/Draisaitl. If they were picking 6th, I would agree with trading down, but there is supposedly a huge talent dropoff after the top 4-5 players.

I am not advocating trading down - but the gap between the 'first tier' (loosely organized with and without Dal Colle in there) and the 'second tier' with Nylander, Ritchie and Ehlers is not THAT huge. All 3 of these players have the POTENTIAL to become the best player from this draft, but they all have more holes in their respective games. I think a bigger drop-off happens right after these players.

I would not want to see the Flames trading down at all, but I would be very irate if they traded down past 7 or 8 and into the 'third tier' (imo).

[Flames_F.T.W]

No matter what we do with the 4th OA (draft or trade it), we need it to turn into a first line/elite player. Our system is overflowing with 2nd and 3rd liners. Maybe some pan out as 2nd-1st liners, but we can't bank on that.

This team is currently devoid of top line talent (Not to say some of our current top prospects can't become a top line player). So whatever we do, we need to turn this 4th OA into a stud. That's all I care about.

[Phanuthier]

Just generally what I read from the experts, the drop off in value seems to be at No 3/4, then after 6, then after 10. Given our situation, I would think the best spot would be No 4, exactly where we are at now......so I don't think it makes much sense to change.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Rick M.

Ryan Kennedy at THN has the top group ordered somewhat differently than what we're used to.

http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/ry...he-2014-draft/

While I'd agree that a different order of the same four guys isn't that much of a change, I sure like the fact that Draisaitl has entered the mix so heavily due to his WHL finish this season.

Really felt like the Flames were the bridesmaid again with an elite top three and the Flames sitting fourth.

Now that looks to have changed with a top four and the Flames having one of the key picks.

That will be a fun draft day to watch.

Flames likely to take the last of the four left, and little fear of an off the charts pick in that selection spot. Watching the three go ahead will be fun as hell, and as closest to that Suter/Colborne/Phaneuf situation as we've seen in a while (though last year I was certainly watching player peel versus Monahan etc)

[Bingo]

double post

[saillias]

Originally Posted by shutout

I know that we need elite talent.
And we now have a pretty good talent pool that will fill the bottom six and some second line potential.

But if you thought that you could still get Fleury, Ritchie, or Ehlers at #10, would you trade with the Ducks?
#4 for #10 and #28. Have to be for both first round picks.

But it would give you a pretty good shot at

Ritchie, Ehlers, Fleury, Virtanen

And then it would give you a chance at two of the following with #28 and #34

Bleakley, MacInnis, Goldobin, Sanheim, Vrana, Karlsson, Tuch, Ho Sang

I wouldn't, just because I think at this stage the team needs someone to turn into a superstar more than it needs average first round talent, which those guys are.

[Rick M.]

Originally Posted by Bingo

While I'd agree that a different order of the same four guys isn't that much of a change, I sure like the fact that Draisaitl has entered the mix so heavily due to his WHL finish this season.

Really felt like the Flames were the bridesmaid again with an elite top three and the Flames sitting fourth.

Now that looks to have changed with a top four and the Flames having one of the key picks.

That will be a fun draft day to watch.

Flames likely to take the last of the four left, and little fear of an off the charts pick in that selection spot. Watching the three go ahead will be fun as hell, and as closest to that Suter/Colborne/Phaneuf situation as we've seen in a while (though last year I was certainly watching player peel versus Monahan etc)

It's interesting too that Craig Button's most recent ordering of his list speaks of a top 4 and not a top 3 with a drop off after 3 as the earlier version had it. He clearly revised his opinion of Draisaitl upward.

[nik-]

I want draft day NOW

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Seems like Draisaitl might be a possibility for BUF or EDM. I know since we're close to the WHL a lot of people here think Reinhart should be top two but there's not as much buzz on him lately. I really think he could fall to #4 in certain scenarios.

So exciting! Total crapshoot this year, especially with FLA shopping the pick.

[Rick M.]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

Seems like Draisaitl might be a possibility for BUF or EDM. I know since we're close to the WHL a lot of people here think Reinhart should be top two but there's not as much buzz on him lately. I really think he could fall to #4 in certain scenarios.

So exciting! Total crapshoot this year, especially with FLA shopping the pick.

I think Florida is just fishing. Unless somebody gives them a considerable overpayment, they'll take the pick.

[ForeverFlameFan]

I am just glad we get to draft another center at #4. Fine with either 3.

[greentree]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

Seems like Draisaitl might be a possibility for BUF or EDM. I know since we're close to the WHL a lot of people here think Reinhart should be top two but there's not as much buzz on him lately. I really think he could fall to #4 in certain scenarios.

So exciting! Total crapshoot this year, especially with FLA shopping the pick.

Agreed, and with the ascent (or so it seems) of Draitsaitl, the chance of finding Reinhart at 4th o/a is > 25% imo.

[Obsidian]

Originally Posted by shutout

I know that we need elite talent.
And we now have a pretty good talent pool that will fill the bottom six and some second line potential.

But if you thought that you could still get Fleury, Ritchie, or Ehlers at #10, would you trade with the Ducks?
#4 for #10 and #28. Have to be for both first round picks.

But it would give you a pretty good shot at

Ritchie, Ehlers, Fleury, Virtanen

And then it would give you a chance at two of the following with #28 and #34

Bleakley, MacInnis, Goldobin, Sanheim, Vrana, Karlsson, Tuch, Ho Sang

Would you take Monahan or Poirier/Klimchuk if you had to choose? And that's even a generous comparable cause last year was a way deeper draft than this one. don't think your getting much at 28, not enough to justify moving from 4 to 10.

[Enoch Root]

IF Ekblad, Reinhart and Bennett went 1-2-3 and we were left with Draisaitl/Dal Colle, I would consider trading down to the 7-10 range.

But the 28th pick, to drop six spots, sounds a bit soft. If we could get a bit more than that, I would trade the chance to draft Draisaitl for the chance to draft Ritchie ++

Depends what that + is

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

Seems like Draisaitl might be a possibility for BUF or EDM. I know since we're close to the WHL a lot of people here think Reinhart should be top two but there's not as much buzz on him lately. I really think he could fall to #4 in certain scenarios.

So exciting! Total crapshoot this year, especially with FLA shopping the pick.

Is the knock on Rienhart that he is further away from the NHL than the other guys?

Because if so, that suits us fine. We can afford to wait for a few seasons.

[Caged Great]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Is the knock on Rinehart that he is further away from the NHL than the other guys?

Because if so, that suits us fine. We can afford to wait for a few seasons.

He, Bennett and Dal Colle are all a bit thin for their heights right now. So they'll all likely need time to fill out. Otherwise what happened to RHN with injuries could happen to them.

[Caged Great]

I would not trade down past #6. We need skill. We have enough depth. The guys that are listed in the 7-12 range all profile out to be more 2nd line guys than 1st liners. We need 1st line talent.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

IF Ekblad, Reinhart and Bennett went 1-2-3 and we were left with Draisaitl/Dal Colle, I would consider trading down to the 7-10 range.

But the 28th pick, to drop six spots, sounds a bit soft. If we could get a bit more than that, I would trade the chance to draft Draisaitl for the chance to draft Ritchie ++

Depends what that + is

Really? If the deal is absolutely worth it, sure I guess.

But Draisaitl and Dal Colle are still worth it.

[FlamesAddiction]

Not really sure where to put this. Not worth it's own thread, but for interest's sake, McDavid was drafted by Zagreb in the KHL.

http://nhl.si.com/2014/05/08/connor-...014-khl-draft/