Israel declares war on Hamas

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by Oil Stain

With a population that is 15% Russian and also a high percentage of radical religious nuts I think they prefer it that way.

They have always been looking for an excuse to "Defend" themselves.

“They have always been looking for an excuse to defend themselves” is one of my favourite types of posts in this thread. We really need a bingo card.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

“They have always been looking for an excuse to defend themselves” is one of my favourite types of posts in this thread. We really need a bingo card.

There could be a bingo card for sure, and it wouldn't be all those upset at Israel's actions, that for damn sure.

[Bagor]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

In the end Hamas started this mess with the barbaric slaughter of innocent men,women and children and they could end this in one minute, surrender and give back the hostages.

But you know what? it won't happen because the Hamas leaders want this, they could care less about civilians being bombed as long as it makes Israel look like the bad guys.

Listen to yourself. Anything to justify Genocide. Just like Manhattanboy.

It's Hamas. It's Hamas that is making us do it. It's Hamas that is making us drop 2000ib bombs in densely populated areas. It's Hamas that's making us slaughter newborns in incubators and so much more.

If you had any senses of decency and honesty you'd edit your first post to change the thread title to Israel committing Genocide in Gaza.

But you won't do that because for you the Genocide is justified revenge slaughter.
But maybe at least change it to Israel declares war on the civilians of Gaza..
But you won't do that either because the truth makes you uncomfortable.

[Bagor]

Latest *estimated" Genocide figures.

Doesn't include those dying from starvation or dehydration or disease as a result of denial of access to basic services and healthcare.

Nor those missing and unaccounted for under the rubble.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1741114914767270111

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by Bagor

Listen to yourself. Anything to justify Genocide. Just like Manhattanboy.

It's Hamas. It's Hamas that is making us do it. It's Hamas that is making us drop 2000ib bombs in densely populated areas. It's Hamas that's making us slaughter newborns in incubators and so much more.

If you had any senses of decency and honesty you'd edit your first post to change the thread title to Israel committing Genocide in Gaza.

But you won't do that because for you the Genocide is justified revenge slaughter.
But maybe at least change it to Israel declares war on the civilians of Gaza..
But you won't do that either because the truth makes you uncomfortable.

War is ugly man, In WWII Japan knew they couldn't beat the US as soon as the fire bombings started in Tokyo, the Empire could have surrendered and saved 700,000 civilian lives, Like Hamas the leadership of Japan didn't care about the pawns and only when Hirohito saw he himself was about to be turned to dust did Japan surrender.

Just get it thru your skull, this savage attack on Oct 7 was Israels pearl harbour moment and they wont stop until Hamas is gone, if the Muslim world in the region cared about this genocide they would arrest the Hamas leadership instead of harbouring them and even funding them.

[opendoor]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

A large amount of the damage is in the North where Israel had told everyone to leave, so wouldn't children have vacated those areas first?

I know Isreal has also bombed in the South too and IMO have certainly gone way overboard in their attacks.
But I do think the reported children number is likely inflated considering how much of the damage is in areas children should have been evacuated first.
The death toll shouldn't be proportionate to normal population numbers since populations start to move out of warzones.

Not necessarily, for a lot of reasons:

-Some people didn't evacuate, because they probably figured they'd be safer at home with supplies rather than walking through a war zone and ending up in a refugee camp that may or may not be safer.

-families with young children are generally less mobile than ones without children or individual adults. Who's going to have an easier time walking 20km to evacuate to the south, a couple of 25 year olds, or a family with several children under the age of 5?

-A lot of the deaths occurred early on, before anyone had really begun to evacuate.

All of those things can lead to the demographics in the heaviest fighting zones remaining relatively similar to the country's demographics. That, combined with the level of destruction that's occurring means that high levels of children/youth deaths shouldn't be too surprising.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

War is ugly man, In WWII Japan knew they couldn't beat the US as soon as the fire bombings started in Tokyo, the Empire could have surrendered and saved 700,000 civilian lives, Like Hamas the leadership of Japan didn't care about the pawns and only when Hirohito saw he himself was about to be turned to dust did Japan surrender.

Just get it thru your skull, this savage attack on Oct 7 was Israels pearl harbour moment and they wont stop until Hamas is gone, if the Muslim world in the region cared about this genocide they would arrest the Hamas leadership instead of harbouring them and even funding them.

Everyone “has it through their skull,” most people are just smart enough to understand that frantically pointing at October 7 and saying “Hamas started it!!!” isn’t really relevant or a topic anyone is even debating anymore.

If that’s the most you can add, and it may be the case considering it’s just been that on repeat for nearly three months, then rest assured that everyone understands it and, like the conflict itself, the conversation has moved past the point of that being a worthwhile point to make.

War is ugly, Hamas bad, they started it, “if Hamas really cared…” … yup, got it, anything else or…?

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Everyone “has it through their skull,” most people are just smart enough to understand that frantically pointing at October 7 and saying “Hamas started it!!!” isn’t really relevant or a topic anyone is even debating anymore.

If that’s the most you can add, and it may be the case considering it’s just been that on repeat for nearly three months, then rest assured that everyone understands it and, like the conflict itself, the conversation has moved past the point of that being a worthwhile point to make.

War is ugly, Hamas bad, they started it, “if Hamas really cared…” … yup, got it, anything else or…?

Other than the drivel you post I'd like to hear a real solution, what is Israel supposed to do, let Hamas walk and wait for them to get their scummy hands on a nuke?

[Geraldsh]

4467 posts with no real change in anyone’s opinion/attitude doesn’t bode well for the future in that area, or for the future of the world in general.
My first post in this thread advocated nuking the entire mid-east, idiotic for sure but the progress towards an intelligent effective negotiation leaves me wondering.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

Other than the drivel you post I'd like to hear a real solution, what is Israel supposed to do, let Hamas walk and wait for them to get their scummy hands on a nuke?

I dunno, man, read the thread. Three months long and you’d like to hear something discussed 100 different times. Next up you’re going to tell us Hamas is a terrorist organization.

[Doctorfever]

I wonder if Israel would stop attacking if Hamas surrendered and released hostages, or if they would continue to try and eradicate Hamas regardless?

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by Geraldsh

4467 posts with no real change in anyone’s opinion/attitude doesn’t bode well for the future in that area, or for the future of the world in general.
My first post in this thread advocated nuking the entire mid-east, idiotic for sure but the progress towards an intelligent effective negotiation leaves me wondering.

Well, Some say Iran has a uranium stockpile to create about ten nuclear bombs, who knows how close they really are but being buddy's with crazy Putin has me concerned.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

Well, Some say Iran has a uranium stockpile to create about ten nuclear bombs, who knows how close they really are but being buddy's with crazy Putin has me concerned.

LOL, oh that old nugget. Iran has been less than 5 years from a bomb for at least 25 years. This time, though!

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

I dunno, man, read the thread. Three months long and you’d like to hear something discussed 100 different times. Next up you’re going to tell us Hamas is a terrorist organization.

Again, more drivel, instead of saying nothing answer this, would you like to see Qatar and others arrest and turn over the Hamas leadership to end this nightmare or not?

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by Bagor

Latest *estimated" Genocide figures.

Doesn't include those dying from starvation or dehydration or disease as a result of denial of access to basic services and healthcare.

Nor those missing and unaccounted for under the rubble.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1741114914767270111

Bagor on Dec 30th: How dare anyone suggest the % of children killed could be under 50%!

Bagor on Dec 31st: Here's a graphic showing children represent 39% of the dead.

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

LOL, oh that old nugget. Iran has been less than 5 years from a bomb for at least 25 years. This time, though!

Yeah, that same old nugget was said about North Korea for 25 years as well, thankfully Kim doesn't have the crazy notion of 72 virgins in paradise if he uses them.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

Again, more drivel, instead of saying nothing answer this, would you like to see Qatar and others arrest and turn over the Hamas leadership to end this nightmare or not?

Of course, who wouldn’t? Who are you to throw out the term “drivel” when you’re asking questions like this? Keep up.

[Bagor]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

Bagor on Dec 30th: How dare anyone suggest the % of children killed could be under 50%!

Bagor on Dec 31st: Here's a graphic showing children represent 39% of the dead.

Did anyone ever say the numbers were precise?
You seen bizarrely fixated on this.
Is there a particular number/percentage of dead children that would appease you?

[Bagor]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

what is Israel supposed to do?

Not commit Genocide?

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Of course, who wouldn’t? Who are you to throw out the term “drivel” when you’re asking questions like this? Keep up.

Of the 100's of pro-Palestinian demonstrations I've seen signage of "gas the Jews","kill the Jews" and "river to the sea" but have yet to see one saying "turn in Hamas"